Show Me Ya Techniques,Tactics(NOW WITH LINKS OF GUIDES INSIDE)

Post falcon techniques or tactics. it doesnt matter if it sucks but it must be a real technique or tactic .i separated every tech or tactic with a line.
i will put them into 3 different catagories
Useful
Good
Useless
try to post the original thread it was discovered,who discovered it, a video, whether you think its useful,good,or useless, the name of it, how to do it,and its pros and cons
guides are at the bottem

Useful
"Rapid Reverse Raptor"Reversed Raptor Boost-Discovered by Krigar
Ex. Can someone find a video of this i cant seem to find it
Orig. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165970

-How to...
1A."Side-B AWAY from your opponent.
B. Then immediately smash TOWARD your opponent on the joystick.
C. Causing Falcon to reverse the Raptor boost, so he actually goes toward your opponent"

Pros
-He will reach a farther distance
-He will reach his opponet faster
-Easy to do
-Useful against non-projectile people,pokemon,or animals
-Can be used for mind games
Cons
-Doing it wormg might cause you a life,if your near the edge

Hyphen Smash-Sliding Up Smash
Ex.
How to...
1A.Dash
B.Up Smash(You will slide)

Pros
-Hits opponet on the floor
-Punish rollers
-Edgeguard move
-Slides to a far distance
Cons
-Hard to control

Reverse Falcon Dive
Ex.
Orig. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183220

How to...
1.The example is for diving to the right while facing left
A.dash/run to the right
B.Falcon Dive(Up-B)
C.Push joystick left
D.Immediatelypush joystick right

Pros
-Sends you opponet flying the opposite way
-Your opponet wont see it coming
-Kills at about 100% or more
-Can be used as spike



Good
Short Upsmash
Ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8_KR66O3GM

How to...
1A.Dash back,away from your opponet
B.Dash towards your opponet
C.Do an up-smash

Pros
-No slide
-More Accuracy

Cons
-In some situations sliding upsmash is a better option


i need a name-ledge tactic-Discovered by Bizzaro Flame
Ex. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HprLcIm6X1A + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0q4j7UR260
Orig. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=167370

How to...
1A.Grab the ledge
B.Drop down
C.Jump
D.Do an Dair quickly
E.Press side B(spam it if you like)

Pros
-Grabs the legde perfectly(0 frames)
-You will be able to throw spikes over ledge continuously without recovery
Cons
-Harder to do on Lyat Cruise

"Forsaken Recovery"Ledge Hopped Falcon Pawnch -Discovered by Ayaz18
Ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25azDqTppyA
Orig. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=181691

-How To...
1."(if falcon is hanging on the left ledge)
A.From the ledge flick (yes you have to flick it) the control stick left.
B.Immediatly press Y to jump. (Y works best for me, yes I know im wierd.)
C.Immediatly press b and jam the control stick to the right."
(For wiimote+nunchuk replace Y with C)

Pros
-It can destroy people trying to edge guard you
-More range and kill power than the knee
-It's Epic
-It works on CPUs
-Kill move
Cons
-You're dead if you do it wrong ,so practice before you try it
-If your opponet spot dodges than they can punish you
-The knee is faster


"Backdoor Punch"Falcon Pawnch Tactic-Discovered by
Ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFOwVj41TM
Orig. coming soon

How to
1.Press Up,X,Y,or C if you using nunchuk(jump)
2.Reverse Falcon Punch(you should already know how to do this,if not then your a n00b)

Pros
-This works great for mindgames
-Great kill move
-Can work short hopped or full jump(depends on situation)
Cons
-Very punishable f your opponet reads you

"Falcon Mock Waveland"-Discovered by mesCO
Ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KvzuCp_qG0
Orig. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=160828

How to...
1.if falcon is hanging on the left ledge
A.Flick control stick left
B. Jump use X or Y for GCC and C for nunchuk
C. Side B(Raptor Boost)

Pros
-You will bounce over shielders and they wont be able to punish you.
-A way to mix up your moves
-You recover twice as faster compared to a regular raptor boost
-You're invincible to grabs especially teathers
-Easy way to get to the middle of the map
-You can also do this on the ground

Cons
-Works better only on stages that have sloped surfaces
-Left open for an attack
-Not as useful as it looks

Uesless


"Shockwave Falcon Kick"-Discovered by Garebear
Ex. http://youtube.com/watch?v=X1n4NML39dg @ 25 secs.
Orig. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=162681

How to...
1A.Press Y or X to jump(C wih wiimote+nunchuk)
B.Do a falcon kick immediately
2A.(Wouldnt recommend) Switch your c-stick to special under control options
B.Press up to jump and at the same time press down on the c stick

Pros
-Can be used to set up combos
-Quicker than regular falcon kick
Cons
-Has more lag than regular falcon kick
-Not powerful
-There are better moves you can do
-Very punishable if missed
-Has very little range



Basics
Edgehugging
Ex-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMCOmGH2oaI

How to...
1A.Run toward the edge
B.Quarter-circle the joystick from Down to Back as soon as you walk off the edge

2A.Run/walk/roll to the very edge
B.Quickly press diagonally down

Foxtrot
Ex- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-tBzYAaGu0

How to...
1A.Tap forward to start initial dash
B.Before it ends, tap forward again
Pros
-Helps you move faster
-Sets you up to do certain moves
Cons
-You can be punished by many moves when doing this

Dash Dance
Ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PscBUdZVnLM

How to...
1A.Tap a direction
B.Quickly tap the opposite direction

Pros
-Helps your mix up game

Foxtrot pivot/dance
Ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioUt7qjfh6Y

How to...
1A.Do a foxtrot
B.towards the end of a foxtrot, quickly input [forward>back]
Pros
-Can connect with jab http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYvUZHyY_LQ
-Helps your mix up game
-Can be lead into many other moves

F-smash out of Initial Dash
Ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X9oqJEXYMM&feature=related
How to...
1B.Tap Forward
B.Almost immediately C-stick in the direction that you'd like to smash

Extra Info

Tenki said:

...It is possible to do a 'super stutterstep' by hitting C-stick as soon as you press [back] in a [forward>back] dash dance. Also possible to do this out of a foxtrot or foxtrot dance.

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"Shutter Step"-Increase F-Smash-Discovered by TOMMY
Ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wAJhVzX7Zg
Orig. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=147417

How to...
1A.Dash in the opposite direction you intend to hit in
B.Immediately hit the C-stick towards your opponet

2A.Tilt the control forward slightly
B.Hit back on the control stick and forward on the c-stick(Longer F-Smash)

Pros
-Travels further than regular f-smash


"Standing" Pivot Grab
Ex.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA5Gd7oCdBQ

How to...
1A.Quicky input all
B.Back
C.Grab
D.Forward

Extra info

Tenki said:

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..."If you are in full-dash and want to stop momentum to pivot grab, quickly input [grab]>[back]

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Pros
-Eliminates lag on throw
-Increases range

Sliding Pivot Grab
Ex.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEhjaL4yV1o

How to...
1A.While in full dash,quicky input
B.Back
C.Grab

Pros
-Eliminates lag
-Increses range
-Better in situations than standing pivot grab



Guides
[/COLOR]Falcon Kick Guide
Knee Of Justice Guide
Basics Guide
Basic Techs
Stage Guide
Testing Request Guide
Match Up Guide
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SPECIAL THANKS
Ayaz18
Wogrim
ToKneeOrNotToKnee
Tenki
ICantWin
DoB04
misterbee180
if you have anything to add about another technique or this one ,just add it

I just posted this in the other thread;

"If you really want to do that I would recommend;

1. Grab the edge
2. Quickly fall a short distance from it
3. Almost immediatly after, Up B

It will automatically pass the ledge and grab any edgeguarders stupid enough to stand too close to the edge."

"dreaded ledge" changed as of now to to the "forsaken recovery"

or ledge hopped falcon punch.

how about the falcon crawnch

For the "Forsaken Recovery" the video is NOT an example of it (the video is just a ledgehopped Falcon Punch), and another pro for it is that it has much more range and kill power than the Knee (Reverse Falcon Punch is the strongest move we have).
And I don't understand why the up-B thing is in the section.

Well, it is Good and Useless techniques, right? I'll contribute even if it's not fully helpful.

Wogrim said:

For the "Forsaken Recovery" the video is NOT an example of it (the video is just a ledgehopped Falcon Punch), and another pro for it is that it has much more range and kill power than the Knee (Reverse Falcon Punch is the strongest move we have).
And I don't understand why the up-B thing is in the section.

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oops wasnt paying attention.
ok i will edit right now

-if you think one is in the wrong catagory just tell me so i can fix it.
-should i do/ useful one color,good one color, and useless one color or just keep it like this.
-should i just stop working on this thread, is it useful?.
-i need your opinion please

SmashBrother2008 said:

I just posted this in the other thread;

"If you really want to do that I would recommend;

1. Grab the edge
2. Quickly fall a short distance from it
3. Almost immediatly after, Up B

It will automatically pass the ledge and grab any edgeguarders stupid enough to stand too close to the edge."

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And will lead to being punished if you miss.

IcantWin said:

And will lead to being punished if you miss.

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yeah but only if your an idiot and do that all the time, Falcon should be played with a great amount of Mind games, when this is put in your game you become a better Falcon by tricking your opponent with various attacks

Can you post combos? If so, I have two I can share.....

@Ace15151515-no sorry,i really dont believe true combos in brawl.its always escapable. you can just ai,block,spot dodge,and whatever else there is to escape a combo.Though you could make a thread about falcon combos . Tell people to post combos.I dont know if it would succeed or fail though, but it never hurts to try. i dont even know if my thread will succed,it looks like a fail so far.

@ All Falcon users-SHOULD I CONTINUE THIS THREAD DO ANY OF Y'ALL FIND IT USEFUL?
i need a answer because if y'all dont find it useful i will stop working on it.i think its a waste of time if its not useful.

Noodlehead keep working on it it's entertaining and usefull

I'll post my technique (it's up to you to name it good/usefull/useless )
when you are hanging on the edge of the stage (best place to do this is final destination), just push down (so that you let go) then jump towards the stage and wall jump away from the stage. This let's you Bair your edgeguarding opponent and if they block the bair, you can up b them

Short hopping the Nair repeatedly is one that I find useful. It drags them to the side of the stage for an edgeguard. Works better on big characters, though.

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:

Noodlehead keep working on it it's entertaining and usefull

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Thanks your the only one who answered my question.

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:

I'll post my technique (it's up to you to name it good/usefull/useless )
when you are hanging on the edge of the stage (best place to do this is final destination), just push down (so that you let go) then jump towards the stage and wall jump away from the stage. This let's you Bair your edgeguarding opponent and if they block the bair, you can up b them

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i would say this is a tactic.did you discover this and if you did can you give me the original thread, a vid if you can,and help me with its pros and cons.

Noodlehead said:

Thanks your the only one who answered my question.



i would say this is a tactic.did you discover this and if you did can you give me the original thread, a vid if you can,and help me with its pros and cons.

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As far as I know, I discovered it

the thread:http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=182992

Pro's:
- can catch opponent off guard
- a way to Bair edgeguarders
- even if the block the Bair, you can up b them

Con's:
- Bair has small hitbox - opponent must be quite close to the ledge

That's all I can think of right now

can't you forward air from a wall jump like in this video?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-GowBED9e14

yes, i think. most likely you can though. that was a sweet video. snake deserves that.

DoB04 said:

can't you forward air from a wall jump like in this video?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-GowBED9e14

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that's an option to offcourse, but not if you are beeing edgeguarded

"you need to make up a name"Discovered by ToKneeOrNotToKnee
^
what about: Dare Bair (lol) or Wall jump Bair

Let's call it Dare Bair (lol) anyone disagree?

ooh noes.topic bumped?
do y'all wwant me to work on this again?

Well, as people find stuff yeah. I bumped it so you could add the video of the actual Forsaken Recovery in there, although if you want to add the Backdoor Punch (that's my current name for it anyways) it's a Falcon Punch tactic in my Epic Footage 3 vid (check [post=5220021]the video thread post[/post] for more info). I feel like most Falcon Punch and Knee tactics need some sort of name, otherwise every time you have to describe one it takes like 2 sentences, which really sucks. I also call something a "SH Punch" or something like that but that's a terrible name and it needs something better like Vertical Punch. It's pretty much where you just SH straight up and Falcon Punch them. The jump is basically to avoid someone who's going to land near your feet but will probably do an attack, or to make someone think you're jumping up to them (they're in the air in front of you) so they attack but end up getting killed since you didn't move towards them (their move doesn't have enough reach to get you). Check the post for some description on the Backdoor Punch though.

Edit: Backdoor Punches successful at #31 and #36

Oh and #14 has a good Knee that could become a useful tactic also

Technique for killing snake (if close to ledge or at a percent that a f throw will throw them off the ledge past the grab edge area):

1. knock off ledge w/ either a f throw or any move that can force a downward fall (below stage). Bair works as well, as well as a dash attack or weak knee.

2. Jump down w/ a knee making sure to at least tap snake.

3. Use up B either before snake goes into cypher animation or after.

4. Don't grab ledge.

5. Fall until you are once again level w/ snake and up b again (same conditions)

6. continue until snake dies or is too low to cypher back to edge.

Because of your opponants need to survive it may take 3 or 4 up b's to kill um. Slow cypher animation allows for this technique to be a smart way to deal w/ a character who is quite tough to kill.

Technique: Punch Grab

Basically 1 or 2 jabs to a z grab. Jabs are faster than grab so your opponants can't try the same thing against you. By jabing first and then grabbing you increase your chance of landing a sucessful grab attempt.

May not be as flashy but it works.

misterbee180 said:

Technique for killing snake (if close to ledge or at a percent that a f throw will throw them off the ledge past the grab edge area):

1. knock off ledge w/ either a f throw or any move that can force a downward fall (below stage). Bair works as well, as well as a dash attack or weak knee.

2. Jump down w/ a knee making sure to at least tap snake.

3. Use up B either before snake goes into cypher animation or after.

4. Don't grab ledge.

5. Fall until you are once again level w/ snake and up b again (same conditions)

6. continue until snake dies or is too low to cypher back to edge.

Because of your opponants need to survive it may take 3 or 4 up b's to kill um. Slow cypher animation allows for this technique to be a smart way to deal w/ a character who is quite tough to kill.

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Uh... no?

7. Snake figures it out and airdodges the up-B to make you suicide, then does his C4 recovery.

his C4 recovery wont work in time after an airdodge. If your snake kills him self then just go for the ledge. Falcon can practically fly in this game w/ his up b. It's no longer horizontal like it used to be.

ok ill update later

I disagree with a lot of the moves being listed here being called advanced techniquies. Forsaken Recovery for example is just a ledge attack with a falcon punch :/ "Dare Bair" similarly is an attack after a wall kick. A lot of the listed moves are just very specific version of an over general blanket technique.

But yeah I like where this is going, the falc boards needs more threads like this one.

Mm, not sure if it's been posted, didn't see it at the least, but reversing your Falcon Dive:

As it states, reversing your falcon dive is a good method of ledge guarding, much like Snake's USmash. The way you can work it to your advantage is having it provide somewhat of an "invisible wall" coming off the side of the stage you are guarding.

An example: Video soon to come (meh soon is hopefully)

Edgehogging, either falling off the ledge or jumping off towards the recovering opponent, Falcon as though you were trying to recover back to the stage, but at the start up quickly tap the reverse direction toward your opponent and then the direction toward the stage after you're facing your foe. What you should get:

A full momentum Falcon dive as though you were recovering toward the stage, but facing your opponent the entire time, if they were to come close or in contact at any time, the dive would connect and you'd hug your victim.

This isn't very practical at low percents, as they wont go shooting off as far as they would, per say, in the 70's upward. I'll see if I can get a vid soon.

<3 said:

I disagree with a lot of the moves being listed here being called advanced techniquies. Forsaken Recovery for example is just a ledge attack with a falcon punch :/ "Dare Bair" similarly is an attack after a wall kick. A lot of the listed moves are just very specific version of an over general blanket technique.

But yeah I like where this is going, the falc boards needs more threads like this one.

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Although the title says techniques, the post says techniques or tactics. Forsaken Recovery is a reverse Falcon Punch which is why it's so awesome, as the regular one is just called a ledgehopped Falcon Punch. Naming things is useful so that you don't have to spend a lot of words describing a situation or how to do something every time you talk about it. What I'm calling a Backdoor Punch is of course just a shorthopped reverse Falcon Punch, but it's used in a specific situation that causes it to work effectively, and trying to explain it is a pain so I'd rather just do it once.

- Stutter step, not shutter step `.`;

Don't forget the basic techniques lol.

Break or combine these as you wish. I kinda 'layered' these, since as it goes on, they build off the previous techs:

- Foxtrot (lol, yes.): Tap forward to start initial dash. Any time before it ends, tap forward again.
- Dash dance: Tap a direction and quickly tap the opposite direction. It's possible to do this multiple times.
- Foxtrot pivot/dance: Do a foxtrot, and towards the end of a foxtrot, quickly input [forward>back] at dash dance speed to reverse the foxtrot's direction. This is chainable to do a 'foxtrot dance'.
- F-smash out of Initial Dash: Tap Forward and almost immediately C-stick in the direction that you'd like to smash. It is possible to do a 'super stutterstep' by hitting C-stick as soon as you press [back] in a [forward>back] dash dance. Also possible to do this out of a foxtrot or foxtrot dance.

-"Standing" Pivot Grab: Quickly input [back]>[grab]>[forward]. If you are in full-dash and want to stop momentum to pivot grab, quickly input [grab]>[back].
-"Sliding" Pivot Grab: While in full dash, quickly input [back]>[grab].

lol.

i meant to update but couldnt use the computer for a while
updating slowly,ill get basics tommorow

finishing updating!!!

Hmm, this is a very helpful thread. All Fledgling Falcon's and pro's alike should take a note or two. ^_^