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I haven't seen a match-up list or Bowser guide. Well, there was the pseudo kind, but other than that, I haven't seen one. I main Samus, and since Bowser is first on my list in my guide, The Chozo Warrior: A Samus Guide Second Edition, I wanted to get some information on Bowser. I am doing this so I can have accurate information.
ChromePirate, a member of SWF made a match-up list for Samus. You can see it here. According to ChromePirate, Bowser is in third on the list, meaning that the match would favor Samus. ChromePirate has placed Bowser's listing as 70-30. Since we haven't had any real discussion in that thread, this is just a guess. So, I just wanted to collect some data about Bowser and how you guys think Samus would do against Bowser.
So, here are my questions, and please add anything else that should be noted. Remember, I want accurate information so that my guide will be correct and lack bias.
How well does Bowser do on the ground?
How well does Bowser do in the air?
Does Bowser have any edge-game? If so, what are they?
How would you rate Bowser's recovery?
What stages are unfriendly for Bowser, that is to say, counter-pick stages?
As a Bowser player, how has your experience against Samus been?
I haven't seen a match-up list or Bowser guide. Well, there was the pseudo kind, but other than that, I haven't seen one. I main Samus, and since Bowser is first on my list in my guide, The Chozo Warrior: A Samus Guide Second Edition, I wanted to get some information on Bowser. I am doing this so I can have accurate information.
ChromePirate, a member of SWF made a match-up list for Samus. You can see it here. According to ChromePirate, Bowser is in third on the list, meaning that the match would favor Samus. ChromePirate has placed Bowser's listing as 70-30. Since we haven't had any real discussion in that thread, this is just a guess. So, I just wanted to collect some data about Bowser and how you guys think Samus would do against Bowser.
So, here are my questions, and please add anything else that should be noted. Remember, I want accurate information so that my guide will be correct and lack bias.
How well does Bowser do on the ground?
How well does Bowser do in the air?
Does Bowser have any edge-game? If so, what are they?
How would you rate Bowser's recovery?
What stages are unfriendly for Bowser, that is to say, counter-pick stages?
As a Bowser player, how has your experience against Samus been?
Bowser does alright on the ground in my experiance, but shorthopping airs is where he does well. His air game is good with all of his airs k.o ing(except for the dair which is really kind of crap) his edge game involves just hoping off the ledge and swatting at the oppoenent with an air, or he can try to use a dtilt at the edge to smack away would be ledgegrabbers or use fire. His recovery is adequate, not great. Anything big and with little or no platforms really takes bowser out of his element. battlefield and smashville are ideal FOR bowser. I actually just played my friend who plays samus today... and I had more trouble than I thought I would. Samus fighting from a distance limits the opportunities to use upb out of shield which hurts bowser. Bowser ftilt breaks the missles w/o damaging him... so that was a way around missle spam. However, the z air was my demise. With no ranged move the can hit as far as z air and the fire being too laggy to contend I was being gimped or hit for lots of damage when I was on defense in the air. Also, samus' tether takes away dtilting at the edge for the most part. I never really tried the fire to see how it works, but I'm pretty sure samus' upb goes through it. I really have to say this is a bad matchup for king koopa, simply because samus can stay out of range and still conect with her attacks. but I only have about four or five games experiance with the matchup... good luck
This matchup is Bad.
Samus can just Zair all day and we can't do much.
I still have to look into it though.
Haven't played Xyro's Samus with my Bowser in a while, I usually go Wario.
I'll get back to you on thursday with info.
Bowser does alright on the ground in my experiance, but shorthopping airs is where he does well. His air game is good with all of his airs k.o ing(except for the dair which is really kind of crap) his edge game involves just hoping off the ledge and swatting at the oppoenent with an air, or he can try to use a dtilt at the edge to smack away would be ledgegrabbers or use fire. His recovery is adequate, not great. Anything big and with little or no platforms really takes bowser out of his element. battlefield and smashville are ideal FOR bowser. I actually just played my friend who plays samus today... and I had more trouble than I thought I would. Samus fighting from a distance limits the opportunities to use upb out of shield which hurts bowser. Bowser ftilt breaks the missles w/o damaging him... so that was a way around missle spam. However, the z air was my demise. With no ranged move the can hit as far as z air and the fire being too laggy to contend I was being gimped or hit for lots of damage when I was on defense in the air. Also, samus' tether takes away dtilting at the edge for the most part. I never really tried the fire to see how it works, but I'm pretty sure samus' upb goes through it. I really have to say this is a bad matchup for king koopa, simply because samus can stay out of range and still conect with her attacks. but I only have about four or five games experiance with the matchup... good luck
I thought Bowser would do good on the ground and with his short hops. With his short hops, he can use his Forward+B and do the infinite jump. I have brawled with a friend of mine who calls himself PlatS. He plays a very good Bowser and he can come back when it looks like he is going to lose. When he and I were on our last stock while we were on Lylat Cruise, I used z-air, which is something you guys seem to have mentioned is the worst against Bowser. I would win, but no doubt a good Bowser player can be tough, even for a Samus main like myself. There is a video between ESAM (Samus) and NickRiddle (Bowser). Bowser wins the match.
One of the things I do with Samus if I am brawling against Bowser and am on the edge is I use my Up+B, drop, and the Up+B again, because as long as I do this I have invincible frames. This renders Bowser's Fire useless. On Battlefield, which is Samus' playground, Samus can go under the stage and get to the other side. The match-up number is 70-30. Does anyone disagree with this, or should there be any changes, even so slight? Thanks for the information, guys. Keep it coming! Popertop, more info would be good. I'll wait.
Bowser does fine on the ground and short hopimg, tilts have good range and good speed while airs are just beautiful, but samus just ranges the average bowser to death. 70- 30 always sounds high though...
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Bowser does fine on the ground and short hopimg, but samus just ranges the average bowser to death. 70- 30 always sounds high though...
Would you consider an alternative? I am open to an alternative if there is a reason for it. I'm not saying that it's 70-30. Like I said before, it's just a guess, since ChromePirate posted up his thread but there was a lack of discussion.
no that might be right, but it always just sounds high to me when its 70/30 in any matchup... just something wierd about me i guess. Yeah Id put that at about right.
I think that if the Samus is good. Like really good, this match up is actually unwinable. There is no reason for Samus to approach you. She can just put a million damage on you from a distance then kill you. I think that your best bet is a good counterpick stage.
Samus is terrible at killing. It's not quite that simple.
WTf are you talking about?
Its called saving your kill moves. So non stale F-Smash or D-Smash or Samus is a great gimper. So just spam Bowser (who is a huge target) until every move sends him of level.
Really this is a quite simple match up if you are smart and heartless and play competitively.
He has not projectile, Samus has Bombs, Fast Rocket, Homing Rocket, Charged Shot, and Z-Air is amazing.
I dont understand your logic, this is a totally one sided match.
As a samus mian im here to tell you that bowser is at a HUGE disadvantage.
Z-air(air grapple) and Lock on missles will control the speed/spacing of the match. This means you will be defense mode almost the entire match, not to mention if you did get into samus's face...we will UP+B you out of shield and you cannot pay us back. Samus has GREAT recovery and can counter pick some NASTY levels(if she is smart).
So if you add all of this up.
This match up is totaly one sided(as said above) and will end up as a loss for bowser 90% of the time.
PS: if you do not belive me.....ask popertop. ive played him in tourney.....samus vs bowser.
As a samus mian im here to tell you that bowser is at a HUGE disadvantage.
Z-air(air grapple) and Lock on missles will control the speed/spacing of the match. This means you will be defense mode almost the entire match, not to mention if you did get into samus's face...we will UP+B you out of shield and you cannot pay us back. Samus has GREAT recovery and can counter pick some NASTY levels(if she is smart).
So if you add all of this up.
This match up is totaly one sided(as said above) and will end up as a loss for bowser 90% of the time.
PS: if you do not belive me.....ask popertop. ive played him in tourney.....samus vs bowser.
I will admit this. the one thing i fear when i play bowser is the suicide attack. SO maybe if you use that fear on samus this could cause her (or any hard match up for bowser) to mess up and maybe you could take advantage of that.....just a thought.
Popertop, more info would be good. I'll wait.
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