Yoshi is a Ninja! (Projectile Defence) 99.7% Complete!

Mmac · Aug 26, 2008

Yep, Yoshi has Ninja Skills! He can Ping out tons of Projectiles with his Bair and Jabs. I put together A handy Chart to tell you What Yoshi can and can not Block. Also Jump Man helped me with this, and ask me to give him partial credit because he's Awesome.

Mario - Fireball: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
Luigi - Fireball: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
Peach - Normal Turnip: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Peach - Zombie Turnip: Bair: ??? / Jab: ??? (These things are a ***** to find >_<)
Peach - Mr. Saturn: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Peach - Beam Sword: Bair: ??? / Jab: ??? (Still needs testing)
Peach - Bob-Omb: Bair: No / Jab: God No! (Dumb***! They EXPLODE!)
Diddy - Peanuts: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
Diddy - Bananas: Bair: No / Jab: No (No Banana Flicking for us

)
Yoshi - Egg Toss: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No(You can't Out-Ninja our own Kind

)
Wario - Bike Wheels: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Wario - The Bike Itself: Bair: Yes / Jab: No / Nair: Yes (Yep, Yoshi can stop Wario's Hog dead cold!)
Link/Toon Link - Arrows: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
Link/Toon Link - Boomerang: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
Link/Toon Link - Bombs: Bair: No / Jab: No (They also Explode.)
Zelda - Din's Fire: Bair: Yes! / Jab: No / Nair: Yes(You can indeed Ping it out with Bair! Nair Works even better though!)
Sheik - Needles: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No(Sheik Out-Ninja's Yoshi ;_ ; )
Samus - Uncharged Shot: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
Samus - Charged Shot: Bair: Yes! / Jab: No / Nair: Yes(Yoshi's Bair and Nair does Ping out a charged shot. Dead Serious!)
Samus - Missile: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
Samus - Super Missile: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: No
ZSS - Armour Parts: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
ZSS - Paralyzer: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
Pit - Arrows: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes / Dair: Yes (You need some very Ninja Like Reflexes for the Jab)
Ice Climbers - Ice Shot: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
ROB - Laser: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No
ROB - Gyro Weak Launch: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
ROB - Gyro Charged Shot: Bair: Yes / Jab: No
ROB - Gyro Throw: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Kirby - Cutter: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No (It eats through Ninjas)
Dedede - Waddle Dee: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
Dedede - Waddle Doo: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes
Dedede - Gordo: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: Yes (Nair Stops it surprisingly)
Olimar - Pikmin Throw: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes (Even the purple ones!)
Olimar - Smashes: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Dair: Yes / Nair: Yes on Usmash (Yep, Not even Smashes can withstand!)
Fox - Blaster: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No (But Why?)
Falco - Blaster: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No (Laser's are apparently the Anti-Ninja)
Wolf - Blaster: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No (Sorry Pride

)
Pikachu - Thunder Jolt: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Ivysaur - Razor Leaf: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Lucario - Sphere, Uncharged: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes / Dair: Yes
Lucario - Sphere, 0% Charged: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: No / Dair: Yes
Lucario - Sphere, 100% Charged: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No / Dair: Yes
Lucario - Sphere, 200% Charged: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No / Dair: No / SideB: Yes (SideB can withstand the 200% Sphere!)
Ness - PK Fire: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No
Ness - PK Thunder: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Dair: Yes / Nair: Yes
Lucas - PK Fire: Bair: No / Jab: No / Nair: No
Lucas - PK Thunder: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Dair: Yes / Nair: Yes
Game & Watch - Chef: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Dair: Yes / Nair: Yes(Jabbing and Nair is useless though...)
Snake - Grenade: Bair: No / Jab: No / Dair: No
Snake - Missile: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Nair: Yes / Dair: Yes (Dair makes it go down, which might be a problem)
Snake - Mortar: Bair: Yes / Dair: No / Nair: Yes / DownB: Yes (The only thing DownB Works on)

Nair: The Quicker Picker Upper!

Nair is awesome for Picking up Projectiles out of the sky! I didn't list them for most of the Item Projectiles, because he just Snags em out of the Sky, And with Style! This works with Everything, so give it a Try!

Almost done, just need to test a few more

Yinlong · Aug 26, 2008

wow, you sure like collecting data
good work

yay numbers!

Edit: wow, you can block samus' charged shot? nice. and i think the spiky things DDD throws are called gordos

chimpact · Aug 26, 2008

Dang this is really nice work. IF the list doesn't get completed by tomorrow I will definitely test the rest out.

yostuffstank · Aug 26, 2008

spiky thingy = gordo

Shiri · Aug 26, 2008

WOW THIS IS SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME

Okay, a few things.

Mmac said:
Yoshi - Egg Toss: Bair: No / Jab: No (You can't Out-Ninja our own Kind )

Hahahahaha. However, neutral air can handle eggs. You have to be very careful, though.

Mmac said:
Zelda - Din's Fire: Bair: Yes! / Jab: No (Yes, You can indeed Ping out Dins Fire with Bair!)

This can also occur with neutral air. Most high priority aerials beat out Din's Fire! So good!

Mmac said:
Sheik - Needles: Bair: No / Jab: No (Sheik Out-Ninja's Yoshi ;_ ; )

I LOL'd. XD

Mmac said:
Samus - Uncharged Shot: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Samus - Charged Shot: Bair: Yes! / Jab: No (Yoshi's Bair does Ping out a charged shot. Dead Serious!)

No bull****? Wow. I did not know that. o_0

Mmac said:
Dedede - Spiky Thingy: Bair: ??? / Jab: ??? (Can Yoshi withstand the Spiky whos name I can't remember?)

Gordo. He was a b*tch in the Kirby games. Not much has changed.

Mmac said:
Fox - Blaster: Bair: No / Jab: No (But Why?)
Falco - Blaster: Bair: No / Jab: No (Laser's are apparently the Anti-Ninja)

There was actually a Melee thread about lasers > ninjas, LOL. I'm sorry, I just thought of it when I read this and I couldn't stop laughing to myself, hahaha. Man, nostalgia...

Mmac said:
Lucario - Sphere, 0% Uncharged: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???

Yoshi can break through varying charges of the Aura Sphere at differing percentages from Lucario, all of which are unknown to me. The jab only stops very few of them. The back air can handle some more, but full charges are hard to stop at any percentage.

Mmac said:
Snake - Grenade: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Snake - Missile: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Snake - Mortar: Bair: ??? / Dair: ??? / DownB: Yes (The only thing DownB Works on)

Use any aerial to destroy the mortar; using neutral air tends to keep you protected from all sides and generally denotes minimal commitment so you can react to other happenings on the battlefield that may occur at the same time. You can deflect grenades, but it's tricky to do so without them going boom. It's hard. Finally, for the Nikita, there are a few ways around it. The missile takes between three and four eggs (depending on it's angle and velocity) before it sinks itself. You can also down air or back air through it without it hitting you, but be careful, as the stun frames are quite large and may allow Snake to catch up to you and perform actions while you're still committed to your aerial.

When you get a chance, I'd really really like to see some work with neutral air--it goes through many of these same projectiles and is quite a safe option as well.

OVERALL AMAZING JOB MMAC YOU'RE SO GOOD YEHS

Mmac · Aug 26, 2008

Thanks for the imput guys. I'll try everything with Nair too.

And doh! I forgot Wario's Wheels! >_<

DarkLeviathan89 · Aug 26, 2008

I love this. I never could remember what could cancel out what for Yoshi. Thanks for this, Mmac.

Shiri · Aug 26, 2008

I thought I put this in my previous post, but I guess I didn't.

You can't jab or back air Gordo, but you can forward air him for the win.

Scala · Aug 26, 2008

mmac is amazing.

I put it in alphabetical order (next post)
If you want to use that, you can copy and paste but it won't keep the colors (which is why mine are different)

Anyways, you can go here http://rafb.net/p/JyJCyP46.html and grab the forum code for the post below

Scala · Aug 26, 2008

Dedede - Waddle Dee: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Dedede - Waddle Doo: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Dedede - Gordo: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Diddy - Peanuts: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Diddy - Bananas: Bair: No / Jab: No (No Banana Flicking for us )
Falco - Blaster: Bair: No / Jab: No (Laser's are apparently the Anti-Ninja)
Fox - Blaster: Bair: No / Jab: No (But Why?)
Game & Watch - Chef: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Dair: Yes (Jabbing is useless though...)
Ice Climbers - Ice Shot: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Ivysaur - Razor Leaf: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Kirby - Cutter: Bair: No / Jab: No (It eats through Ninjas)
Link/Toon Link - Arrows: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Link/Toon Link - Boomerang: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Link/Toon Link - Bombs: Bair: No / Jab: No (Again, you can grab them)
Lucario - Sphere, 0% Uncharged: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Lucario - Sphere, 0% Charged: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Lucario - Sphere, 100% Uncharged: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Lucario - Sphere, 100% Charged: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Lucario - Sphere, 200% Uncharged: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Lucario - Sphere, 200% Charged: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Lucas - PK Fire: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Lucas - PK Thunder: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Dair: Yes
Luigi - Fireball: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Mario - Fireball: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Ness - PK Fire: Bair: No / Jab: No
Ness - PK Thunder: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Dair: Yes
Olimar - Pikmin Throw: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes (Even the purple ones!)
Olimar - Smashes: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Dair: Yes (Yep, Not even Smashes can withstand!)
Peach - Normal Turnip: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Peach - Zombie Turnip: Bair: ??? / Jab: ??? (I Don't really have the patience)
Peach - Mr. Saturn: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Peach - Beam Sword: Bair: ??? / Jab: ??? (Still needs testing)
Peach - Bob-Omb: Bair: No / Jab: God No! (But you can still grab it, if you REALLY wanted to >_>)
Pikachu - Thunder Jolt: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Pit - Arrows: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes / Dair: Yes (You need some very Ninja Like Reflexes for the Jab)
ROB - Laser: Bair: No / Jab: No
ROB - Gyro Weak Launch: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
ROB - Gyro Charged Shot: Bair: Yes / Jab: No
ROB - Gyro Throw: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Samus - Uncharged Shot: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Samus - Charged Shot: Bair: Yes! / Jab: No (Yoshi's Bair does Ping out a charged shot. Dead Serious!)
Samus - Missile: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Samus - Super Missile: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Sheik - Needles: Bair: No / Jab: No (Sheik Out-Ninja's Yoshi ;_ ; )
Snake - Grenade: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Snake - Missile: Bair: ??? / Jab: ???
Snake - Mortar: Bair: ??? / Dair: ??? / DownB: Yes (The only thing DownB Works on)
Wario - Bike Wheels: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
Wario - The Bike Itself: Bair: ??? / Jab: ??? (If Yoshi can stop a 2 Ton Bike.....)
Wolf - Blaster: Bair: No / Jab: No (Sorry Pride )
Yoshi - Egg Toss: Bair: No / Jab: No (You can't Out-Ninja our own Kind )
Zelda - Din's Fire: Bair: Yes! / Jab: No (Yes, You can indeed Ping out Dins Fire with Bair!)
ZSS - Armour Parts: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes
ZSS - Paralyzer: Bair: Yes / Jab: Yes

Mmac · Aug 26, 2008

I updated the List. Thanks Scala, but I like my list as Character Order.

Also The Bike can be Beat, Nair Beats Gordo's and Charged Shots, and Yoshi's Eggs are still Anti-Ninja

Jump_Man · Aug 26, 2008

**** straight I'm awesome =P

Nice find mmac AND sub/jump/whatever my name is

Sharky · Aug 30, 2008

I think dash attacks are also worth metioning, as they also help you close in on said spammer. Worked against a couple toon links yesterday, for me.

Mmac · Aug 30, 2008

It's finished (Kinda)! I'm too lazy for Dash though...

Sharky · Aug 30, 2008

hehe, I might be able to help with that, don't worry about it, mmac.

Alopex · Aug 31, 2008

Mmac, what about Falco's reflector? It's pretty much a projectile as well.

Mmac · Aug 31, 2008

Alopex said:
Mmac, what about Falco's reflector? It's pretty much a projectile as well.

His Reflector does not have the properties of an Projectile. It's actually a Scripted Attack

Ref · Aug 31, 2008

Did you test PK Thunder's Tail as well as the head? The tail should wield much much different results..

Mmac · Aug 31, 2008

Just the head, the Tail can never be beaten by anything. I think it has the properties of a Laser as it can't even be contested.

Ref · Aug 31, 2008

Yeah I'm just making sure you are testing this. The head is pretty weak...

ProBrawler · Aug 31, 2008

Darn, Din's fire can be blocked T_T. Oh well, I still have Sheik's needles >=). I face a couple of very good Yoshi's often so this helps me too. Sweet job Mmac, I'm impressed.

DarkLeviathan89 · Aug 31, 2008

ProBrawler said:
Darn, Din's fire can be blocked T_T. Oh well, I still have Sheik's needles >=). I face a couple of very good Yoshi's often so this helps me too. Sweet job Mmac, I'm impressed.

I have no idea what kind of Yoshies you face. No idea whatsoever.

Chaco · Aug 31, 2008

Pro your here too! Go to the chat!

Vect0r · Aug 31, 2008

wow, you sure did your homework there.... but i didn't find enough proof for Yoshi to be a ninja

SOVAman · Aug 31, 2008

Good **** Mmac its looking good.

Mmac · Aug 31, 2008

Vect0r said:
wow, you sure did your homework there.... but i didn't find enough proof for Yoshi to be a ninja

He deflects bullets with his Tail, and snags bombs out of the sky...

If that isn't Ninja, then I don't know what is

Chaco · Aug 31, 2008

Chuck Norris is ninja!

GO CHAKYU NORRISU!

Naucitos · Sep 5, 2008

He can also break missiles with his eye.

Demenise · Sep 6, 2008

I'm serious, instead of stickying every single important thread on the Yoshi boards, can't we just create a whole seperate board entitled "Important Yoshi Threads"? We really need the space.

SOVAman · Sep 6, 2008

Demenise said:
I'm serious, instead of stickying every single important thread on the Yoshi boards, can't we just create a whole seperate board entitled "Important Yoshi Threads"? We really need the space.

No we can't then a lot of other mains will want one

Also there is a thread called the official everything Yoshi thread thread

CYAN! · Sep 6, 2008

lilb93 said:
No we can't then a lot of other mains will want one

Also there is a thread called the official everything Yoshi thread thread

We do need the space, though i dont see the problem with that for everyone. I mean, we can vote a moderator for that board to post, and others can only post replys at best if its not temporarally closed.

I see alot of use in that type of sub/sub board >_<

Demenise · Sep 6, 2008

lilb93 said:
No we can't then a lot of other mains will want one

Also there is a thread called the official everything Yoshi thread thread

Sorry, always forget that Internet sarcasm doesn't work. Just making a point that Yoshi has so many useful threads that they deserve their own board. Sarcastically speaking, of course.

Ryusuta · Sep 25, 2008

Bumping this topic to mention that last night I did indeed stop a Gordo with a neutral air. It was freaking amazing. The DeDeDe stood there for a moment and then taunted (his taunt quote was "Oh ****!"). Hehehe.

Eternal Yoshi · Sep 26, 2008

This deserves to be in the sticky. Attacks negating projectiles has been in the Smash series for a long time but this is the first time someone has made a compilation like this. Excellent work, Mmac.

FifthRise · Sep 26, 2008

it makes sense about sheik out-ninjaing yoshi, since sheik is like, a real ninja.
but this is awesome stuff Mmac, quite a few things surprised me. (charge shot?!)

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