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[Xyro77]

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[dabuz]

bowser

rank:easy

how to win: due to his large size and low jump height and speed he is easily spammable and can be forced to approach which he has a time with against projectile users, just dont try to go close range because he will win in that department so fd is easily the best stage, if you are forced to a close range tussle on a level like bf try to needle him with things like fair and zair until hes at the 150s where you can try to knock him off and play with him once hes off the edge, just dont try to spike him unless its quick because his upair is ownage, also, if he uses upb for approaching remember its very punishable if missed and leave good aerial openings

watch out for: staying above him for long because his upsmash and upair are evil, bowser side, dsmash and forward smash and short hopped fire breaths(can be nasty at low %s)


i think this is good

[0RLy]

Bowser: Easy

HtW:
-- Bowser is one of the easier character to combo due to his size and slowness. His aerial attack options are very limited and will allow you to chain attacks together much more easily than any other character. Bowser has a very heavy reliance on his giant shield in order to protect himself. This makes it that much easier to land a grab when they expect you to attack. Bowser is heavy and hard to KO, but his recovery travels mostly horizontally, which makes hogging the ledge with only your tether rather easy. Zair is invaluable in the match as it will keep Bowser from destroying your missiles with ftilt. Bowser's large size also makes it easier to land a charge shot on him. Samus is on the heavy side also, which will force Bowser to work extra hard to KO you.

Wo4:
-- Stay out of Bowser's ftilt range, it is one of the most effective spacing attacks in the game. If you are out of ftilt range, you are generally safe from the rest of Bowser's moves. DI up and away from Bowser's dthrow to prevent yourself from being hit by the impending fair, ftilt, flying slam, or fire breath. Bowser's flying slam does a whopping 19% and should be avoided as much as possible. Bowsers tend to use this out of their shield when given the chance, so don't give them that chance. Bowsers can also use this move in place of an aerial, luckily Bowser is also slow in the air so you can intercept him with your Screw Attack. In general, don't touch Bowser's shield, it always puts him in an advantageous position.
-- DI away from his fire breath if you get hit. It's not worth it to get behind him because you'll take 40% damage in the process. Aerial approaches on a grounded Bowser may not always work out. If your attack is predicted, Bowser can land a very high priority, and powerful dsmash. More often than not, you may also hit his shield which can result in getting hit by Bowser's fortress. Bowser's main combos come from his jab switch ups. Bowser starts a rock, paper, scissors game with his jab. If you side step, you risk getting dtilted, but you can avoid the grab/flying slam and ftilt. If you shield, you risk getting hit by the grab/flying slam, but you can avoid the dtilt and ftilt. If you DI away, you risk getting hit by the ftilt, but you can avoid the grab/flying slam and dtilt.

TL;DR
-- Just keep out of his range, and grab when you think he will shield. Combos and zair are very effective.

[Smash_Gigas]

Ganondorf: Easy

Victory: Ganon's easy due to his lack of projectiles and speed. As a former Ganondorf mainer, I can say that spammed projectiles are a massive pain. Defensive Ganondorfs can be easily pressured into doing things they'd rather not do by unleashing Missiles on him. As for offensive Ganondorfs, well... punish his incredible amount of lag. It's also easy to keep a Charged Beam because how long it takes for him to reach you. Use whatever he doesn't have. Projectiles, Combos, and Recovery.

Watch Out! Ganon can pack some serious damage in only a few hits, so don't go in too blind with fury. His Uair can be a threat to Samus, so try not to stay above him for too long. You can keep him out of reach via Morph Ball Bombs. Ganondorf's Side+B (Choke hold or whatever) you should also be carefull of. There are a few characters Ganon can get a free Neutral A off after that attack, and Samus is one of them. Maybe even his Sparta Kick, but I'm not sure.

[Rohins]

Bowser: Easy

How to Win:
He is large, so he is one of the few characters you can abuse smash missile cancels vs. Use this to weaken his shield allowing you to shield stab with zair. This forces him to either dodge or angle his shield to avoid being hit with zair. If he starts to use fire to beat your projectiles, you can always zair through fire and hit him.

Watch out For:
Side B: Don't be dumb and let him suicide you. If you're playing on a level with platforms, be sure to DI sideways if he gets side B on you as you land, so he doesn't get low % vertical kills.

Up B: Don't hit his shield with aerials, he can upB through anything. Example, if Bowser is on a platform and you uair his shield he can upB before your move finishes.

read 0Rly's for more in depth analysis

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Ganon: Easy

How to Win:
Abuse how slow Ganon is and keep him occupied with projectiles. Punish his reactions with zair and ftilt and maintain a large amount of space between you. Ganon is easy to spike and you have a guaranteed edge hog vs him. just hold the edge and as he starts to up B let go and tether to regain invulnerability.

Watch out For:
Side B: If you get caught in this don't react predictably. He can get a jab in, but most Ganons try to keep you locked in this position by punishing with another side B. Don't let him trade stock with you off the level. He can also suicide you if you stand too close to the edge. He can do this both while recovering off level or from a ledge hop.

Auto Cancels: Ganon can auto cancel all of his aerials except fair. His jab comes out very fast, so if you intend to punish Ganon after throwing out an aerial make sure you know when he's in lag and when he's not.

Recovering: Look out for reverse uairs and dairs. A well timed dair goes through your upB, so don't recover too low vs Ganon is he is standing by the edge. Reverse uairs stuff grapple recovery.

Edge Guarding: Ganon's uair comes out pretty fast and can knock you away (or wall spike you) if you're being too cocky about dairs.

[n00b]

Boozer

Rank: Easy

How to win: Space and punish.. Rinse and repeat. Bowser's weight and size and lack of any quick combo breakers (other than maybe midair up B or something) lets Samus really put the pressure on given the right setup. It should be pretty clear at this point how to defeat him generally, so I'll give fatty-specific tips that I know.
I found out that sh smash missile cancel -> hyphen/dash usmash puts lots of pressure on fatties, and if their shield is small enough from camping in shield (which bowser likes to do sometimes if it looks like you're gonna approach due to his good up b oos and grab release stuff, kinda like samus) the super missile will poke and knock bowser high enough into the usmash, doing about 30%
Rohins told me that in a short hop you can do uair->fair->cancel->upb on low-percentage fatties.

Watch out for: ftilt, up b, autocancel fair -> whatever (usually retreating up b), grab release to dtilt/ftilt, side b boozercide, down b.

Stage choice: I'd go with some place like Battlefield because the platforms help you combo simply out of missed techs and protect you from any desperate down Bs.

EDIT: On a random note, once you get bowser in your grab, if you mash on A the attacks won't register for some reason. Time your grab attacks at a steady, even pace to ensure maximum damage.

[Xyro77]

This is amazing. thank you guys for your quick input. I may not make this last a full week. Bowser and Ganon are extremly easy to deal with so all we need is like 2 days for the trashy chars and a week for the harder match ups.

Heres my 2 cents even though it will mimic most everybody else.


GANON

Rank: Easy

How to win: I have lots of exp playing against a ganon so.....Since ganon is slow, spamming Z-air and Lock on missles is common sense. ALL of ganons air move share the same horrid speed so they are easy to see coming and thus easy to punish(if he doesnt space=UP+B OoS or smash out of shield). There should be NO reason to lose in this match-up. His speed and lag-filled attacks are his down fall. Take advantage of this.

Watch out for: His OVER+B= this attack comes out fast and can suicide you even if you are slightly near the ledge. He can also tech chase with this(if hes skilled). DOWN+B comes out fast too and can KO out of no where. Be prepared for this while you short hop for Z-airs or Lock-on missles.


I will not comment on bowser due to the fact this match-up is IMPOSSIBLE for bowser. I feel there is no way a TRULY good samus can lose to a bowser.

[0RLy]

Battlefield is Samus best neutral stage and should be chosen whenever you don't have a solid counter pick.

Ganon: Easy (I had to play a little bit of Brawl to get a good idea for the match up... Otherwise, I would've included this with my post on Bowser)

HtW:
-- Ganon is slow in all respects. It's ridiculously easy to space against him. Just use a lot of projectiles (which Ganon hates with a passion) and zair. Up close, Ganon gets some options, so you want to avoid that. The range you should be staying at is: outside of T-storm range. If Ganon ever gets too close, his murder choke can get through your shield and his other attacks can get through your attacks. Ganon isn't a wall or priority, but compared to Samus, he is. Usually when you're in range for one of your close range attacks, Ganon is either lagging from his previous move, or ready to sparta kick or jab you. What you can do here is retreat or side step, as his jab has more lag than your sidestep (ouch). You can then punish his extended foot, arm, or whatever. Screw Attack as you normally would, Ganon's body parts tend to stay extended even after the hitbox disappears. Ganon is slow in the air, but his attacks are extremely punishing. You'll have to know what Ganon's options are before you close in for an attack. Luckily, this job is easy with Ganon's vulnerability to projectiles.
-- Ganon's recovery is crap. Yes, this needs to be mentioned. His Murder Dive has next to ZERO HITSTUN! If you KNOW Ganon won't try to Ganoncide (it would result in him losing, but you want to keep owning) go in for the gimp. Dairs, nairs, bairs, zairs, missiles all ruin Ganon's recovery. After you get Murder Dive'd, just use nair asap and DI into Ganon. Or you can DJ asap and try to spike again.

Wo4:
-- Ganon is all about power. Just knowing that his two hit combos can land 40% makes it difficult to approach him with a straight face. Auto canceled dair is fatal at low percents. I've been combo'd up to 58% just from that one hit. After that, Ganon still has brilliant tech chasing with his Murder Choke. Make sure you side step often against Ganon, shielding and rolling are very dangerous. Yes, it's a sad day when the slowest character in the game can punish Samus' roll. Ganon's nair comes out faster than all of his aerials, so watch out for that. Otherwise, Ganon is very predictable with when he will use dair/uair/murder kick. As long as you keep your space, Ganon can't do anything surprising to you.

TL;DR
-- Projectiles+punishing his lag=sad day for Ganon.

[ADHD]

Okay, I'll change my listings to whats listed here. Thats what I wanted people to do instead of *****ing about incorrect info, I wanted them to reason and I would change it.

Here is what bowser players determined about bowser vs samus

70-30 in samus' favor--easy

While Bowser is very heavy and Samus lacks good killing ability, Samus still has some awesome advantages against Bowser. Ultimately, she outranges Bowser in nearly every way imaginable. She can shoot both types of Missiles at Bowser to wear him down and force him to go on the offensive. Plus, her Zair is absolutely sexy. Her Zair stops nearly every approach that Bowser has due to it's long range. Plus, Bowser's huge size makes it very easy to hit. Since Bowser really has no way to deal with Samus's campy playstyle, she has a clear advantage.

[Xyro77]

Chrome, i recommend you cancel your thread and lets join forces. If you can provide numbers that would be nice. I hate numbers/math with a passion so i dont include them in my stuff but if you are willing to, ill add them on the front page.

Oh and to all who help make this thread what it is.....please go into detail when talking about the matchups(which you guys are, thank you). This guide is to help Previous/present and future samus players. Lets make this right!


AGain, thanks guys!

[darkspatan117]

HtW:
-- Ganon is slow in all respects. It's ridiculously easy to space against him. Just use a lot of projectiles (which Ganon hates with a passion) and zair. Up close, Ganon gets some options, so you want to avoid that. The range you should be staying at is: outside of T-storm range. If Ganon ever gets too close, his murder choke can get through your shield and his other attacks can get through your attacks. Ganon isn't a wall or priority, but compared to Samus, he is. Usually when you're in range for one of your close range attacks, Ganon is either lagging from his previous move, or ready to sparta kick or jab you. What you can do here is retreat or side step, as his jab has more lag than your sidestep (ouch). You can then punish his extended foot, arm, or whatever. Screw Attack as you normally would, Ganon's body parts tend to stay extended even after the hitbox disappears. Ganon is slow in the air, but his attacks are extremely punishing. You'll have to know what Ganon's options are before you close in for an attack. Luckily, this job is easy with Ganon's vulnerability

Many player confuse that ganon has only slow attack this is quite false he quick for a heavyweight he faster than say Ike he has a slow running speed but his jab, uair,dair(l-canceled)bair,nair, are all fast. His usmash has ISAI frame so he can cancel it jab to punish spot dogger, Ftilt,Utilt and forward b are not so slow so stop saying he slow and watch whose fast are is jab and bair

[ADHD]

Originally Posted by Xyro77

Chrome, i recommend you cancel your thread and lets join forces. If you can provide numbers that would be nice. I hate numbers/math with a passion so i dont include them in my stuff but if you are willing to, ill add them on the front page.

Oh and to all who help make this thread what it is.....please go into detail when talking about the matchups(which you guys are, thank you). This guide is to help Previous/present and future samus players. Lets make this right!


AGain, thanks guys!

W/e ill let it die and help this

I think ganon might be the same/ harder than bowser; does anyone know if ganon's down b kick goes through missles, or just stops when it hits one? What about the charge shot, does it stop the kick in place?

The down b makes spamming ganon a little bit more harder than bowser but the zair > ganon

[Xyro77]

Originally Posted by ChromePirate

W/e ill let it die and help this

I think ganon might be the same/ harder than bowser; does anyone know if ganon's down b kick goes through missles, or just stops when it hits one? What about the charge shot, does it stop the kick in place?

The down b makes spamming ganon a little bit more harder than bowser but the zair > ganon

Ganon is harder than bowser but not hard enough to consider it even.

[Dryn]

Nice thing going on here, Xyro77. Do you think it would be better to go in alphabetical order, though? That's what I am doing by going to each Character Chat to see what those people have to say about their experience playing against Samus. Of course, this is quite different, since it is asking how Samus mains deal with this character or that character. It can be found in my Samus guide. The first one is Bowser, and there is a link to the Bowser Character Chat. So, yeah. I'll put my input in later.

Oh, and from the Bowser Character Chat, it doesn't look like anyone has objected to it being in Samus' favor, that is, 70-30.