What characters does Link do worst against?

Princz15 · Oct 19, 2008

Yes, I have read the stickys, I've used the search function and I can't seem to find it.

What are Link's worse match ups?? Besides Mk..... V_V

Remzi · Oct 19, 2008

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196257

Anonano · Oct 19, 2008

BengalsRZ said:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=196257

Wrong link man. Wrong link.

NintenJoe · Oct 19, 2008

Falco or MK in my opinion. Falco can chaingrab->Dair->Link's Death and MK is just better than Link. They're the most fun matches you'll ever play!

Onomanic · Oct 19, 2008

Lets see.... I hate Link dittos. On topic, I think Falco. He can reflect all your projectiles and has a projectile of his own. His CG is a pest. So I'd have to say Falco (other than MK).

Anonano · Oct 19, 2008

Toon Link for me. They are excellent at projectile spamming and setups, can jump over you when you rush them, and they have superior off stage and aerial killing games. DON'T DO NORFAIR. YOU WILL ALREADY HAVE TOO MUCH CRAP TO DEAL WITH BESIDES THE LAVA.

Princz15 · Oct 19, 2008

Anonano said:
Toon Link for me. They are excellent at projectile spamming and setups, can jump over you when you rush them, and they have superior off stage and aerial killing games. DON'T DO NORFAIR. YOU WILL ALREADY HAVE TOO MUCH CRAP TO DEAL WITH BESIDES THE LAVA.

But i read on blu link's stage guide that norfair is one of Link's better stages :/

Onomanic · Oct 19, 2008

But not against TLink apparently. It's a good CP against most characters but some dominate on the stage. Anonano means that you're already dealing with projectile spam mirroring your own and the lava. And you're trying to win the match too lol. So Norfair can be a bad stage for Link but usually, it's Link's trump card.

Anonano · Oct 19, 2008

Toon Link has a better spam game then Link on Norfair, especially because his projectiles are slower and have a better arc to them.
An example: a bomb thrown from the back of one of the top levels by TL will hit about the middle of the bottom level, giving it great stage covering. Not to mention he likes to jump from the top level, drop a bomb from so high you have no hope of reaching him, and then retreat to the other side of the stage.
Another example: the lava coming from the behind the stage? TL will boomerang and arrow the safe parts of the stage where you know the lava won't hit. This isn't a problem, right? Well, the boomerang and arrows last far longer and stay in the "safe zone" for a greater period of time then Link can afford to wait to get there. No place becomes safe, except for the ones TL wants you to go.
All this not to mention TL has a field day dair spiking you from any given platform while you try to recover.

I learned this lesson the very, very painful way.

Metro Knight · Oct 19, 2008

Judging by the posts I have read, I would say it goes in the falling order of worst first:
MK
Falco
R.O.B.
Kirby
Pikachu
and D3
and probably Marth even

Despite what the matchup says, if you watch Legan's video vs. Bozzer, i mean, dealing with monster chain grabbing is annoying.

Princz15 · Oct 19, 2008

blu link said:
But not against TLink apparently. It's a good CP against most characters but some dominate on the stage. Anonano means that you're already dealing with projectile spam mirroring your own and the lava. And you're trying to win the match too lol. So Norfair can be a bad stage for Link but usually, it's Link's trump card.

Ah thanks for clearing that up. Oh and just FYI i use blue link too

He's awesome!

Princz15 · Oct 19, 2008

Metro Knight said:
Judging by the posts I have read, I would say it goes in the falling order of worst first:
MK
Falco
R.O.B.
Kirby
Pikachu
and D3
and probably Marth even

Despite what the matchup says, if you watch Legan's video vs. Bozzer, i mean, dealing with monster chain grabbing is annoying.

Thank you! This is what I wanted! I'll be taking this list into consideration when I go to bum's weekly this friday.

A2ZOMG · Oct 19, 2008

ROB is very difficult for Link. ROB has amazing throws that get Link off the stage, and if Link takes a single hit from ROB once he's offstage, he will die, and not taking a hit from ROB offstage is very difficult. Worst of all, ROB has the ability to outcamp Link.

Pikachu is also probably a hard character for Link to play against due to camping, and speed. I'm pretty sure Pikachu has a reliable CG on Link too, which hurts even more.

ICs probably are hard as hell for Link. Desynched Ice Blocks are gay as hell on stage and when you are off stage, and Link is bad at approaching without getting shieldgrabbed. I think Link also can be CGed by a single IC which sucks.

Also mentioned was Falco, who has lasers and CG on Link. However IMO, if you can avoid getting CGed to the edge, then you're okay in this matchup. Falco is not very good at edgeguarding without his CG -> D-air, so outside of that gimp, he shouldn't be easily edgeguarding Link much.

I don't think Kirby is too bad for Link aside from the fact his D-air easily destroys Link's recovery and has a few throw combos. Kirby is always forced to approach Link, which he sucks at, and he's really lightweight meaning you can easily score some D-smash KOs on him.

Metro Knight · Oct 19, 2008

ty, gl with Bum's DK, lol

Metro Knight · Oct 19, 2008

Be sure to read M2k's tips versus MK, and watch Legan's videos versus Falco, d3, ROB. Also, watch Deva's videos versus Snake and Arkivezero's videos versus Kirby.
As far as Marth goes, I haven't really seen a good video for Link versus Marth. A lot of times this is what you need to watch out for:
Sword Dance (don't try to dodge, UNTIL he is going to use shieldbreaker) -> FAIRS to gimpy death or
Fthrow -> fsmash -> fairs to gimpy death. If you can avoid getting FAIR gimped, it is a pretty even match up, but those 2 things give Marth a pretty big advantage.

Dunno about Pikachu, I guess just watch Anther's videos and get used to air dodging the Thunder. Small target so don't rely on the ZAIR that much.

Remzi · Oct 19, 2008

LMAO, what happened to the matchup discussion thread?

Princz15 · Oct 19, 2008

Metro Knight said:
Be sure to read M2k's tips versus MK, and watch Legan's videos versus Falco, d3, ROB. Also, watch Deva's videos versus Snake and Arkivezero's videos versus Kirby.
As far as Marth goes, I haven't really seen a good video for Link versus Marth. A lot of times this is what you need to watch out for:
Sword Dance (don't try to dodge, UNTIL he is going to use shieldbreaker) -> FAIRS to gimpy death or
Fthrow -> fsmash -> fairs to gimpy death. If you can avoid getting FAIR gimped, it is a pretty even match up, but those 2 things give Marth a pretty big advantage.

Dunno about Pikachu, I guess just watch Anther's videos and get used to air dodging the Thunder. Small target so don't rely on the ZAIR that much.

Thanks a lot man. I'll surely be taking all off that into consideration.

4Serial · Oct 19, 2008

Kirby's bad for Link because he can grab > f-throw > u-air combo you until like 50, probably bringing you close to the edge and finishing you with f-smash. Then he will edgeguard with d-air. It's not even hard to do, it just takes a grab. You have to take advantage of your projectiles and range and outspace Kirby. Being very very careful because Kirby's somewhat fast.

Falco is a very bad match up for Link.

RyN · Oct 19, 2008

Mr. Game and Watch

A2ZOMG · Oct 19, 2008

I don't think Link does THAT badly against G&W.

Sure it's out of his favor due to G&W generally being more powerful and him being easy to edgeguard, but it's not close to being his worst matchup.

Finns7 · Oct 19, 2008

Kirby's Cg does not go to 50 if you DI right...GaW is not a hard matchup imo...CG kill Link but you can overcome them.

KillaFrmNY · Oct 19, 2008

Not only can a kirby edgeguard with dair, but also with his rock which is unavoidable when you pressed upB. Ive faced a pretty good kirby that did that to me a few times.

Izaw · Oct 19, 2008

Spam chaingrabbing Dedede for me :<

4Serial · Oct 19, 2008

Kirby's throw combos do at least 30%
I dunno, they can get to 50% sometimes depending on the character
and Link is pretty fat

It still wrecks him and can set him up for edgeguarding really easy

Falco and DDD are easily Link's worst match ups because of their chaingrabbing and edgeguarding.. I dunno, Falco's b-air edgeguards can be pretty beast. DDD's for sure. They both have really strong spam that can overwhelm Link's. I used to think they were harder match-ups than MK, but MK is rising to the point where people are thinking he's deserving of a ban.

Ray_Kalm · Oct 19, 2008

I'd say Kirby.. would be Links worse match up. Well, that should go for me only. I don't have a variety of mains on my friend rooster..

Kirby's grabs could be real frustrating, possibly combos you up to 40%. His Forward/Up Ward Smash come out fast and KOes. His Down Air is just like Ike's Up + B (recovery) but a lot faster and easier to use.

Kirby could avoid all of Links projectile at close/mid range, by doing nothing, most of the time. Charged arrows go over him, un - charged could be avoided by ducking. Bombs just seem to miss at close range, if thrown to him.

So yeah, Link isn't good against Kirby overall.

Falco, Fox and Snake are other bad match ups for Link.

Zap tackle · Oct 19, 2008

Kirby is pretty hard to verse if you're link as he can fly and attack with swift attacks before link can attack.

Terywj [태리] · Oct 19, 2008

Falco and Toon. I do surprisingly better playing against Meta Knight than Falco or Toon.

-Ter

SuSa · Oct 19, 2008

Falco and Sonic....

I don't play many Sonics, so it may just be me... but I faced a Sonic that literally punished nearly every move I did :/ I barely touched the guy except for a bomb here and there.

Falco: CG > spike ****. Laser spam. He can spike you with your already bad recovery (low % spike kills), REFLECTOR, and in general just a nuisance.....

Creo · Oct 19, 2008

For me, I'd have to say Olimar(I can't fight him with any character except Metaknight >_>)and Toon Link.
I'm just flat out horrible against Olimar, and Toon Link is like a better ditto match.

Suprisingly, I've been beating tournament/semi-tournament level players'(2 people ._.)Metaknight in the past 2 days with Link. How? I don't know, but I'm outplaying them.

4Serial · Oct 19, 2008

For now, people can lose to Link... because nobody has Link experience.

I hate TL so much.

Snake isn't completely bad for Link compared to his matchups against the rest of the top/high tiers.

I don't consider Fox to be one of Link's worst matchups, but it is a disadvantage <_<

ArdeS · Oct 19, 2008

I have a tough time against Falco. Chain grab + lazerzzz. :\

Blubba_Pinecone · Oct 19, 2008

Creo said:
For me, I'd have to say Olimar

Moar Nair. :D lol

Hmm... the matche I hate the most is Falco... not because the CGing, that's easy to escape/survive. And the spike can be avoided simply by DIing down+away when at the ledge. Thing is, Falco freaking outspaces Link like none other.... and it seems his moveset was BUILT to combo Link.

I think a lot of you may like fighting MK a bit more if you Jab cancel jab them. Jab jab > crouch > Jab jab > crouch > wash rinse repeat.

Unlike the normal "jab cancels" Link can do, this one is a TRUE jab cancel. Also, it practically traps smaller chars in the jabs, sometimes you can take them from 0-40%

Legan · Oct 20, 2008

D3 is much worse than Falco, at least you can kill/gimp falco at low percentages. You have to take DDD out the hard way.

lilmister · Oct 20, 2008

Legan said:
D3 is much worse than Falco, at least you can kill/gimp falco at low percentages. You have to take DDD out the hard way.

Legan is that you???? *thank you Lord!*
lol
well with my experience I'd say Fox...only because I've never really fought against Link's harder matchups such as DDD, Mk, and Snake. Gotta watch out for his uair when you're in the air..got caught in it a few times

Deva · Oct 20, 2008

Link's worst matchups are the one's you dont have enough experience in. Nothing more, nothing less.

Onomanic · Oct 20, 2008

Deva said:
Link's worst matchups are the one's you dont have enough experience in. Nothing more, nothing less.

Nicely put. This is true. Match ups can't really account for how the match will turn out as much as your experience with the match up. I deal with Sonic well enough. (He's my worst match up) So really, this thread shouldn't really exist. You have to ask your self "Who's my worst match up as Link?" That's the question.

Edit: lol The number of my posts (711) is the date of my birthday (7/11).

LinkSpecialist · Oct 20, 2008

My worst match-up is Falco, but one of my best match-ups is against D3 oddly enough. Maybe because I've faced so many before. As Deva said, it's all about experience I guess.

Onomanic · Oct 20, 2008

Hey wait a minute... my first post was on a thread just like this! :D How very odd.

(It was all about Falco johns and "I"s not capitalized)

ArdeS · Oct 20, 2008

My first-ever brawl tourney match was against a pro, well-known D3. I was 3-stocked twice. That sure sparked my hatred for D3. hahaha.
But I agree fully with Deva's comment. At my last tourney I was more afraid of fighting a good Olimar rather than a MetaKnight simply because I never fight Olimar. :laugh:

AeroLink_the_SoulMaster · Oct 21, 2008

I'm afraid of fighting a godly Pikachu like Anther's...

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