Lucario's Damage Boost Equation- Now 100% More complicated :D UPDATED

hough123 · Oct 29, 2008

I had to remake this because it was deleted for no apparent reason as I was about to update it :| I also fine-tuned it.

-Updates-
29\10\08: Thread is made.
30\10\08: Added the Shortcuts, Recent Finds, Index, and Updates sections. Also made the equations easier to read.
31\10\08: Updated the complicated code to make it simpler (lolwut), I'm going to try and make a graph for the move decay code tonight if no one wants to volunteer.

-Index-
-Complicated Version
-Easy Version
-Shortcuts
-Recent Finds

-Complicated Version-
B*S*[0.006*H+1]*[256.671^(-0.0991x)*B]=D

H= Health**.
B= Normal damage inflicted at 0%.
D= Damage inflicted.
S= Stock Boost.
- -2= 1.3
- -1= 1.23
- 0= 1
- +1= 0.84
- +2= 0.76
X= How many times you've used the move.
e=The log.

Annhialator Zero said:
OK I have simplified it a bit to:

B*S*[0.006*H+1]*[256.671^(-0.0991x)*B]=D

Assuming the move is fresh it is:

B*S*[0.006*H+1]*[0.57707*B]=D

Thanks go to Annhialator for this.

-Easy Version-

[0.006*H+1]*B*S=D
H= Health**.
B= Normal damage inflicted at 0%.
D= Damage inflicted.
S= Stock Boost.
- -2= 1.3
- -1= 1.23
- 0= 1
- +1= 0.84
- +2= 0.76

-Shortcuts-
Boosts by each 10%:

10%-1.06
20%-1.12
30%-1.18
40%-1.24
50%-1.3
60%-1.36
70%-1.42
80%-1.48
90%-1.54
100%-1.6
110%-1.66
120%-1.72
130%-1.78
140%-1.84
150%-1.9
160%-1.96
170%-2.02

Add or subtract 0.006 for each % point above or below the closest match to your health.
ie: I am at 73%, so I would multiply the base damage done by my attack by 1.438,(0.42+0.006*3).
(This would replace the numbers in the parentheses.)

-Recent Finds-

After doing some more math, I found out that Lucario's damage inflicts 0.078% more by each percentage point***
Annhialator Zero said:

OK I have simplified it a bit to:

B*S*[0.006*H+1]*[256.671^(-0.0991x)*B]=D

Assuming the move is fresh it is:

B*S*[0.006*H+1]*[0.57707*B]=D

If anyone is proficient with Excel you might be able to make a graph out of this. Maybe make nine seperate graphs depending on how fresh the move is.

Click to expand...

Thanks to Annhialator for this, and could someone make a graph out of this? I'll do it soon enough if no one volunteers.

**Stop trying to calculate the damage at 170% and up, for that is his damage cap.
***Means is still being tested.

This can be used to calculate damage done by combos which can really help us.

NOTE: Please do not even try to atempt to do this during a match D:

nightSN · Oct 29, 2008

pshh cant be hard to calculate this during a match. *pauses game

dguy6789 · Oct 29, 2008

What about the score based buffs/nerfs?(These are separate from stock buff/nerf)

Samuelson · Oct 29, 2008

I kind of just estimate how much damage stuff will and what percents i can kill at hahaha

This kind of stuff is too crazy for my likings.

Ilucamy · Oct 29, 2008

So if I use Lucario's pummel at 0% damage while it's completely stale and 2 stocks ahead... hmm.. yes.... interesting....

I'm lost....

Samuelson · Oct 29, 2008

Ilucamy said:
So if I use Lucario's pummel at 0% damage while it's completely stale and 2 stocks ahead... hmm.. yes.... interesting....

I'm lost....

In this situation i wouldn't pummel and i would just use Bthrow, maybe Dthrow.

Also, if you're 2 stocks ahead AND you're at 0% you really don't need to worry much...unless it's a crew battle or something.

lol

h4rdcor3 · Oct 29, 2008

I wonder how close this is to the actual equation used in the game.

Nice work by the way

AlexoftheAura · Oct 29, 2008

All i can say is bravo, how the hell did you figure that out?

tedward2000 · Oct 29, 2008

Pulls out the TI 89 or something.

Mathcario, its al1 numbers.
-t2

RMAC · Oct 29, 2008

wow thats awesome stuff cause I'm a real math nerd, but I'm still amazed you took the time to test and calculate it out. Nice work

Samuelson · Oct 30, 2008

Where's Phil Nye when you need him?

LordoftheMorning · Oct 30, 2008

Mathcario? As opposed to Artcario? I wonder why they love to make it so complcated.

Mew2King · Oct 30, 2008

hey, can you put a USEFUL list on there naming COMMON SCENARIOS

such as, lucario is behind by 1 stock, at 50%, at 60%, at 70%, etc

he got a legit kill, or it was an SD

lucario is winning by 1 stock, or it's tied

etc etc, im sure it wouldnt be hard to name common scenarios

LordoftheMorning · Oct 30, 2008

Good idea. Tell us what we're looking at with 0, 50-70, and 100-120 damage.

hough123 · Oct 30, 2008

LordoftheMorning said:
Good idea. Tell us what we're looking at with 0, 50-70, and 100-120 damage.

I'll do that over the weekend\tonight if I have time.

Annhialator Zero · Oct 30, 2008

In the complicated version, you mention e, is that the actual number e? If so you might as well mention what the value of 94.424e is (Don't have a calculator handy so I can't).

Also, in the second bracket [94.424e^(-0.0991x)B], is the B at the end to be multiplied by the resultant power or the result of the rest of the bracket, it's not very clear.

supergamer001 · Oct 30, 2008

Annhialator Zero said:
In the complicated version, you mention e, is that the actual number e? If so you might as well mention what the value of 94.424e is (Don't have a calculator handy so I can't).

Also, in the second bracket [94.424e^(-0.0991x)B], is the B at the end to be multiplied by the resultant power or the result of the rest of the bracket, it's not very clear.

Depending on what windows you're using it's Start>All programs>Accessories>Calculator then in the menu bar view>scientific. Wahlah! e

phi1ny3 · Oct 30, 2008

Samuelson said:
Where's Phil Nye when you need him?

I'm here, and yes, math is a type of SCIENCE! Good job, tho I doubt too many ppl will pick this up easily. Maybe I should broadcast my own show "Phil Nye the Science Guy: on Lucario boost fundamentals". lol jk

hough123 · Oct 30, 2008

Annhialator Zero said:
In the complicated version, you mention e, is that the actual number e? If so you might as well mention what the value of 94.424e is (Don't have a calculator handy so I can't).

Also, in the second bracket [94.424e^(-0.0991x)B], is the B at the end to be multiplied by the resultant power or the result of the rest of the bracket, it's not very clear.

e=The log (according to my dad)
And B is multiplied by the result of the bracket, sorry for not making that clear.

Oh yeah and update ;D

Annhialator Zero · Oct 31, 2008

Yeah I was referring to the log.

OK gonna see if I can simplify it a bit.

EDIT: Eugh I forget how logs work and I cba finding out right now lol.

Annhialator Zero · Oct 31, 2008

OK I have simplified it a bit to:

B*S*[0.006*H+1]*[256.671^(-0.0991x)*B]=D

Assuming the move is fresh it is:

B*S*[0.006*H+1]*[0.57707*B]=D

If anyone is proficient with Excel you might be able to make a graph out of this. Maybe make nine seperate graphs depending on how fresh the move is.

hough123 · Oct 31, 2008

Annhialator Zero said:
OK I have simplified it a bit to:

B*S*[0.006*H+1]*[256.671^(-0.0991x)*B]=D

Assuming the move is fresh it is:

B*S*[0.006*H+1]*[0.57707*B]=D

If anyone is proficient with Excel you might be able to make a graph out of this. Maybe make nine seperate graphs depending on how fresh the move is.

Thank you for doing this, I don't know much about logs

phi1ny3 · Oct 31, 2008

hough123 said:
e=The log (according to my dad)
And B is multiplied by the result of the bracket, sorry for not making that clear.

Oh yeah and update ;D

Yes, e is the number for several economic equations, and is also known as log/logarythm.

TK Wolf · Oct 31, 2008

hough123 said:
Thank you for doing this, I don't know much about logs

What rolls down stairs, rolls over in pairs,
Rolls over your neighbor's dog?
It's great for a snack, it fits on your back,
It's log, Log, LOG!
It's looog, looog, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
It's looog, looog, it's better than bad, it's good!
:roll:

phi1ny3 · Nov 2, 2008

Lol, logs r fun to hit ppl with.

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