Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Yeah I know all that, I'm just saying if our up b beat her dair she literally should not ever being getting back down once she's in the air. Since it doesn't, she still has a chance atleast if we space poorly with uair.
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Official Zero Suit Samus Matchup Thread
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That should have read obviously you wouldn't.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Wut?
In either way, tell me how you're planning to turn around while you're holding your shield, lol.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Xonar you can tap back and then hit Shield while shielding and it will pivot roll OOS.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
and tap back while holding shield? that would be a roll
tap back and hitting shield would let you leave shield, pivot, reopen shield and roll, lol.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Ah yeah. But it still might be better than backrolling, lololo
Are you sure Peach can PS/Fair ZSS on a well spaced side B? Peach's Fair according to their frame data hits on frame 16 plus however many frames it takes to drop the shield (2-3 I think on a PS) . Seems like it should be too slow. How many frames of lag are there after side B?
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Sorry I didn't see that message. There are infinite frames of lag after side-b.
It might sound iffy, but only if you think about Peach double jumping and spacing her fair. If she autofloats (jump and leave down pressed) then fairs immediately, I wouldn't doubt she can do it after a powershield.
Ummm well anyone actually know the amount of frames of lag on a side B? Best data I could find was
Plasma Whip (Forward B); Hitboxes out on frames: 24, 33 (total frames 43)
This would indicate ten frames of lag (off the second hitbox) which would be not enough for an fair. If they hit the first hitbox they could do it but they'd have to be frame perfect.
But I feel like either my data is inaccurate or maybe I'm reading it wrong.
Plasma Whip (Forward B); Hitboxes out on frames: 24, 33 (total frames 43)
This would indicate ten frames of lag (off the second hitbox) which would be not enough for an fair. If they hit the first hitbox they could do it but they'd have to be frame perfect.
But I feel like either my data is inaccurate or maybe I'm reading it wrong.
Conviction
Human Nature
Fox is discussing ZSS in this thread -.-
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=250510&page=115
Might as well make it a match-up discussion.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=250510&page=115
Might as well make it a match-up discussion.
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Basically everyone's too lazy to write up a matchup synopsis and it's not changing til that's done
rPSIvysaur
[ɑɹsaɪ]
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The Lucas boards are now dicussing the ZSS MU. Your help is appreciated.
Here is the
Here is the
Sesshomuronay
Smash Lord
Wolves are discussing you guys. Go help please.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=237768&page=44
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=237768&page=44
Snakeee
Smash Master
Ughhhhhhhhh.....*snore*......matchup is even......I think.....*falls back asleep*
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Haha asking ZSS players to work.
You're a funny one aren't ya ;D
You're a funny one aren't ya ;D
solecalibur
Smash Master
Even with zss' new motivation of activities I dont think we are gonna budge on this topic anytime soon =X
noradseven
Smash Lord
Takes effort, most of us dont play anymore.
ZSS boards dislike effort. It requires us to actually be productive. Waaaay too much work.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
And this is why I hate you guys. -.-
D: Awwww! We thought you loved us!
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
It's a love/hate relationship.
I love you guys as people, but I hate you guys as ZSS players. ^^,
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
lol, zss.... "viable." lolololol
solecalibur
Smash Master
According to our MU charts we only have a small handful compared to A tiers
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
Wish I could agree with that. As much as I'd like to see her going up, I have my doubts that she will. Some other characters have shown a bit more improvement than she has, so her placement is probably going to drop a few spaces.
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
Well, with the leak, that confirmation doesn't really prove much of a change.
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
wait what leak
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
Someone leaked the SBR's discussion on the tier list. It was all over different Smash sites. It's not like it was finalized or anything though, but I have no intention of sharing the pieces of it that I have seen if they've already cleaned up most of the leaked information.
But from the *confirmation* that was stated above, just saying that.
Nothing more, nothing less.
But from the *confirmation* that was stated above, just saying that.
Nothing more, nothing less.
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
What about the MK boards? They're pretty dead.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
ZSS is ezmoad chara lulz no need to play i sandbag n beat m2k onse soooooo
noradseven
Smash Lord
If we ever go above B and someone isn't winning big stuff with her Im going to get my nerd rage on.
Norad's nerd rage is srs bsns.
TheZeroSuit
Smash Cadet
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I'm not gonna bother with a write up, if someone wants to do it, I'll post it. Changing from toon link to
Sheik
Sheik