captain falcon frame data

Zeallyx · Nov 16, 2008

not to diss _clinton or anything, but I saw some questionmarks in his thread, so I post the frame data here too
If _clinton's list is acurate, I'll close this
This thread is just to compare so that there aren't any mistakes
(credit to face for finding the data)

Jab: 3
Forward Tilt: 9
Up Tilt: 17
Down Tilt: 11
Dash Attack: 8
Up Smash: 22
Down Smash: 19
Forward Smash: 18
Forward B: 21 (In the Air 23)
Neutral B: 53
Down B: 15 (air 16)
Up B: 14
Forward Air: 14
Back Air: 10
Down Air: 16
Up Air: 6
Neutral Air: 7

Again, _clinton was first, this is just so that there are no misunderstandings

Mr.Fakeman · Nov 16, 2008

Fair has quite alot of frames! I wasn't sure though, but I saw in one of Ayaz18's threads that people were saying the knee had 6 frames. I'm still abit confused.

Zeallyx · Nov 16, 2008

Mr.Fakeman said:
Fair has quite alot of frames! I wasn't sure though, but I saw in one of Ayaz18's threads that people were saying the knee had 6 frames. I'm still abit confused.

maybe the '6 frames' is referring to the frames that sweetspot

Roager · Nov 16, 2008

Fakeman: Assuming both these frames and the ones you're talking about are what I think they are, and that they are accurate: The knee has 14 frames total, start to finish, including flub knee. True Knee happens in the first 6 frames. (I thought there was more flub knee time... I dunno)

Also, I remember being told that a reversed FP has a few extra frames. Mostly neglible, I'm sure, but it would be good to add to the list.

Ayaz18 · Nov 16, 2008

yeah that was knee frame data, it's not that much

as for the data I think these are more accurate and should be stickied immediately

Zeallyx · Nov 16, 2008

Roager said:
Fakeman: Assuming both these frames and the ones you're talking about are what I think they are, and that they are accurate: The knee has 14 frames total, start to finish, including flub knee. True Knee happens in the first 6 frames. (I thought there was more flub knee time... I dunno)

Also, I remember being told that a reversed FP has a few extra frames. Mostly neglible, I'm sure, but it would be good to add to the list.

thanks, I added reverse punch to the list, although I wish you could be more specific than 'a few frames'

Ayaz18 said:
yeah that was knee frame data, it's not that much

as for the data I think these are more accurate and should be stickied immediately

thanks, I would like thsi stickied too
but _clinton was first, and he reminded me to post this

Mr.Fakeman · Nov 17, 2008

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
maybe the '6 frames' is referring to the frames that sweetspot

I forgot to mention they were discussing the sweetspot was only on frame 6 and I said frame 3, I'll find the link for the thread and I'll redit it on this post here http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5639143#poststop read from my first post.

Mr.Fakeman · Nov 17, 2008

Alright so just to make sure how many frames in total for the zapped knee? and how many for the total frames of the knee movement?

Wogrim · Nov 17, 2008

Frame data should include:

1) when hitbox starts
2) when hitbox ends (or number of frames for hitbox)
3) when move ends

Additional info for sweetspots/extra hitboxes/etc on some moves may be needed

Frame data for spotdodge, roll, airdodge, and SH (how long we're in the air) would also be nice.

Zeallyx · Nov 17, 2008

Mr.Fakeman said:
Alright so just to make sure how many frames in total for the zapped knee? and how many for the total frames of the knee movement?

probably the first 6, like roager said

Wogrim said:
Frame data should include:

1) when hitbox starts
2) when hitbox ends (or number of frames for hitbox)
3) when move ends

Additional info for sweetspots/extra hitboxes/etc on some moves may be needed

Frame data for spotdodge, roll, airdodge, and SH (how long we're in the air) would also be nice.

yes I agree this would be helpfull..I'll try to gather the info sometime this week

Mr.Fakeman · Nov 17, 2008

I reckon Falcon threads are going to get way more indepth than all the other character forums if we keep looking in to Captain Falcon like this.

Zeallyx · Nov 17, 2008

Mr.Fakeman said:
I reckon Falcon threads are going to get way more indepth than all the other character forums if we keep looking in to Captain Falcon like this.

this is a good thing offcourse

but as falcon actually needs everything he can use, he also needs it more than other characters :laugh:

but these discussions are good for falcon's meta game :D so this is a very good thing

Face124 · Nov 17, 2008

Mr.Fakeman said:
I reckon Falcon threads are going to get way more indepth than all the other character forums if we keep looking in to Captain Falcon like this.

Hmmm.... that may actually be a problem though. Eventually then, we are going to sort of get to an end of new techs/discoveries/ uses for moves, and we will just have to keep playing while other metagames are catching up.

Zeallyx · Nov 17, 2008

Face124 said:
Hmmm.... that may actually be a problem though. Eventually then, we are going to sort of get to an end of new techs/discoveries/ uses for moves, and we will just have to keep playing while other metagames are catching up.

This does not have to be the case though.
We can also keep discovering techs etc. and keep advancing falcon's meta game!

They'll never catch up, ha!
/wishfullthinking

Mr.Fakeman · Nov 17, 2008

Face124 said:
Hmmm.... that may actually be a problem though. Eventually then, we are going to sort of get to an end of new techs/discoveries/ uses for moves, and we will just have to keep playing while other metagames are catching up.

You could always get better yourself though, just a reminder it is not just Captain Falcon and his metagame... since he has changed, Captain Falcon focuses on the users potential more than his own game mechanics. So fellow Captain Falcon mainers have to do their job in deciding when it's safe to KO them, I use to be reckless with Captain Falcon in Melee. Now he has changed therefore I have to rely on myself.

Ayaz18 · Nov 17, 2008

if possible can you edit in the frame values of which you are vulnerable after the attack has ended?

Zeallyx · Nov 17, 2008

Ayaz18 said:
if possible can you edit in the frame values of which you are vulnerable after the attack has ended?

I'm not sure if I can figure that out >.<
I'll see what I can do

Tenki · Nov 18, 2008

3-4 frames between normal and reverse Falcon Punch?

I don't believe it.

Zeallyx · Nov 18, 2008

Tenki said:
3-4 frames between normal and reverse Falcon Punch?

I don't believe it.

it's 2-3

gantrain05 · Nov 18, 2008

so....looking thru this frame data, i believe every single one of metaknights moves come out faster than all of falcons moves, excluding metas Fsmash and drill rush......and only the jab is faster i believe lol, i say we ban metaknight because he should never be faster than the capn.

Mr.Fakeman · Nov 18, 2008

NOOOO! Metaknight is my training dummy!

Wogrim · Nov 18, 2008

Tenki said:
3-4 frames between normal and reverse Falcon Punch?

I don't believe it.

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
it's 2-3

I'd guess 10-15.

Zeallyx · Nov 18, 2008

Wogrim said:
I'd guess 10-15.

nah..
that much?

I'll look into it later

Wogrim · Nov 21, 2008

I noticed some people using actual numbers for moves so I searched the tactical forum and found this.

Frame Data

Not all the info I'd like to see, but a good start.

Zeallyx · Dec 29, 2008

Wogrim said:
I noticed some people using actual numbers for moves so I searched the tactical forum and found this.

Frame Data

Not all the info I'd like to see, but a good start.

I see..

I bump this to see if people find this usefull. (ayaz said it deserved a sticky when I posted this, so I bump this to see if this might help)

(I'll add this info to my guide.)

Face124 · Dec 29, 2008

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
I see..

I bump this to see if people find this usefull. (ayaz said it deserved a sticky when I posted this, so I bump this to see if this might help)

(I'll add this info to my guide.)

If its being added to the guides, I suppose its not needed to be stickied, and anyway, Darkmarthx' thread of threads will have it. Still, this sin't complete, we need a lot more data.

Darxmarth23 · Dec 29, 2008

Mr.Fakeman said:
I reckon Falcon threads are going to get way more indepth than all the other character forums if we keep looking in to Captain Falcon like this.

Nah.. you should see MK and marth forums. They're ahead of us.

SuSa · Jan 18, 2009

So this is total frames?

You may want to do starting hitbox frames, because thats all thats really useful.

eg;

Snake has a 7 frame utilt (when hitbox comes out) and it ends some frames later (the actual move)

Right now this just looks like names for moves with numbers next to them....

If you all want, I might do some actual Falcon frame data for everyone.

Start Frame-
Start Hitbox-
End Frame-

(I don't do ending hitboxes because thats takes FOREVER)

norrispaunch · Feb 1, 2009

holy cradge. falcon punch is 3 times as much as t3h kn33!!!! uber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wogrim · Feb 1, 2009

Havokk said:
So this is total frames?

You may want to do starting hitbox frames, because thats all thats really useful.

eg;

Snake has a 7 frame utilt (when hitbox comes out) and it ends some frames later (the actual move)

Right now this just looks like names for moves with numbers next to them....

If you all want, I might do some actual Falcon frame data for everyone.

Start Frame-
Start Hitbox-
End Frame-

(I don't do ending hitboxes because thats takes FOREVER)

I thought you were already doing this? And those are definately starting hitbox frames, our moves aren't that fast.

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