Tier List Of Falcos Moves (PLEASE STICKY)

gunterrsmash01 · Nov 16, 2008

MODS PLEASE STICKY (i think move tier lists should be stickied in every character board)
and it really helps the new players, lets them know which moves they shouldnt be using much and which moves they should be using more

NOTE: me/this thread was the first move tier list (i came up with the idea randomly) then marth boards took the idea, and now it seems all the character boards are making them which im happy to see

TOP
Laser
Dthrow
Dair
Jab
Phantasm

HIGH
Bair
Upsmash
Nair
Dash Attack
Fsmash
Utilt
Ftilt

MID
Dsmash
Shine
Uair
Bthrow
Dtilt
Fthrow

BOTTOM
Fair
Uthrow
Firebird

XxBlackxX · Nov 16, 2008

are you sure dsmash is really that great? i mean, it's a good surprise KO move (since it's most likely fresh and they won't expect it) but since its range is so short i don't see much other uses for it.

gunterrsmash01 · Nov 16, 2008

its his fastest smash, and if done on the edge, it sends them really low. also sometimes you can dair them to the ground and immediately follow up with dsmash.

wow, an unintended 1000th post

XxBlackxX · Nov 16, 2008

what you just said is that basically it IS good, but pretty situational. anyways, i think fsmash>dsmash. it just has more uses.

gunterrsmash01 · Nov 16, 2008

yeah your right, i kinda underestimated fsmash right there..

Denzi · Nov 16, 2008

Phantasm's good, but I don't think it's top. It's priorety isn't that good, so you can still get hit out of it. And ground Phantasm sucks. I'd say top of high, though it's debatable.

XxBlackxX · Nov 16, 2008

eh...it's your only recovery and it's actually pretty good and very useful is you iap and phantasm cancel.

Tommy_G · Nov 16, 2008

Definitely underrating Up air. I'll have to get a video up to show you what I mean

zamz · Nov 16, 2008

Personally, I've always found B-Air more useful than D-Air...

Mith_ · Nov 16, 2008

TOP
Landmaster
Laser
Dthrow
Dair
Jab
Phantasm

HIGH
Bair
Fsmash
Upsmash
Nair
Dash Attack

MID
Reflector
Utilt
Ftilt

LOW
Bthrow
Fthrow
Uair
Dtilt

BOTTOM
Dsmash
Fair
Uthrow
Firebird

My move tier list.

ZeroFox · Nov 16, 2008

ozz3000 said:
Originally posted in the moveset discussion thread

TOP
Laser
Dthrow
Dair
Jab
Phantasm

HIGH
Bair
Upsmash
Nair
Dash Attack
Fsmash
Dsmash

MID
Reflector
Utilt
Ftilt

---large gap----- (this seperates falcos "good" moves and "bad" moves. also all the moves below are very situational and usually there are better moves to do then these.

Bthrow
Fthrow

BOTTOM
Uair
Dtilt
Fair
Uthrow
Firebird

Looks pretty good to be honest.

XxBlackxX · Nov 16, 2008

Mithx said:
TOP
Landmaster
Laser
Dthrow
Dair
Jab
Phantasm

HIGH
Bair
Fsmash
Upsmash
Nair
Dash Attack

MID
Reflector
Utilt
Ftilt

LOW
Bthrow
Fthrow
Uair
Dtilt

BOTTOM
Dsmash
Fair
Uthrow
Firebird

My move tier list.

dsmash isn't THAT bad. and Usmash> Fsmash for sure. Nair > Fsmash even imo.

J4pu · Nov 16, 2008

spot dodge under Dthrow and Air dodge above Fair
grab needs to placed somewhere too, in the middle somewhere i'd say
I dont like the placement of dtilt either but I'm not really sure what i would put below it, the majority of Falco's moves are just too good

Tommy_G · Nov 16, 2008

TOP
Laser
Jab
Dthrow
Phantasm

HIGH
Utilt
Bair
Upsmash
Dair
Uair
Nair
Pummel Grab release down
Dsmash

Semi- Comboable throws
Uthrow
Bthrow
Fthrow

MID
Ftilt
Dash Attack
FSmash
Dtilt
Fair

---large gap----- (this seperates falcos "good" moves and "bad" moves. also all the moves below are very situational and usually there are better moves to do then these.

BOTTOM
Reflector
Firebird

This is my list. From many hours of playing Falco since the game came out.

Mith_ · Nov 16, 2008

XxBlackxX said:
dsmash isn't THAT bad. and Usmash> Fsmash for sure. Nair > Fsmash even imo.

I put it at the top of the Bottom because its a good move but not worth using much.

And Fsmash = Usmash imo. Not in terms of damage but in terms of usability.

XxBlackxX · Nov 16, 2008

dsmash is still better than dtilit and fthrow, at least. and no. Usmash is alot better than Fsmash. Fsmash is way too slow, laggy, and punishable even though it has the most knockback. It's only good if you can mindgames with it (like SK92). otherwise, chances are you will get punished. Usmash, on the other hand, is MUCH faster and less laggy=most reliable kill move.

@Tommy G
shouldnt fair be lower, it is a pretty situational move. and i think reflector should be higher, i mean, it does what it's supposed to do (reflect) and a little more (spacing, tripping)

Mith_ · Nov 16, 2008

Mindgames is why I had it rated so high lol. IIRC Usmash should be higher on my list, because you can DACUS too.

sMexy-Blu · Nov 16, 2008

Ummm The Shine isn't that bad to be at Bottom though...

XxBlackxX · Nov 16, 2008

but still. even with mindgames, Usmash > Fsmash. its more reliable and less punishable.

Kasper! · Nov 16, 2008

dtilt is ok for pushing people away who love to shield grab but not as good as a up smash or down smash though. although the dtilt is a lot less laggy than a down smash

Tommy_G · Nov 16, 2008

XxBlackxX said:
dsmash is still better than dtilit and fthrow, at least. and no. Usmash is alot better than Fsmash. Fsmash is way too slow, laggy, and punishable even though it has the most knockback. It's only good if you can mindgames with it (like SK92). otherwise, chances are you will get punished. Usmash, on the other hand, is MUCH faster and less laggy=most reliable kill move.

@Tommy G
shouldnt fair be lower, it is a pretty situational move. and i think reflector should be higher, i mean, it does what it's supposed to do (reflect) and a little more (spacing, tripping)

Fair has been relatively moved down.

The reflector is very very laggy and is only really used for reflecting and the unexpected hit box. If you use it more than once, they'll shield it and punish you for it. It's a pretty dangerously bad move.

XxBlackxX · Nov 16, 2008

it still reflects (which is the main point) and it's supposed to be used as a surprise move to either space yourself or trip a opponent.

Dreadz18x · Nov 17, 2008

if yall only knew my uses for up throw....

Mith_ · Nov 18, 2008

Dreadz18x said:
if yall only knew my uses for up throw....

If only you would tell us, you know, help the forums maybe?

I can't find any uses for Upthrow, even at low percents the knockback is too high to follow up with anything if your opponent has half a brain to know to DI and airdodge.

XxBlackxX · Nov 18, 2008

its better to utilt at low percents. uthrow/fthrow=next to useless. bthrow=almost next to useless. lol.

Denzi · Nov 18, 2008

XxBlackxX said:
its better to utilt at low percents. uthrow/fthrow=next to useless. bthrow=almost next to useless. lol.

I agree w/Fthrow and Uthrow. Bthrow off the stage can be followed up with SHDL and puts the opponent in an awkward position (sometimes; depends on character).

Tommy_G · Nov 18, 2008

Bthrow can combo into SHDL into sliding upsmash if the opponent DIs the throw badly. It's a pretty nice kill setup or damage racking move after chain grab percent.

Emblem Lord · Nov 18, 2008

Falco's f-tilt is high tier IMO.

gunterrsmash01 · Nov 18, 2008

Can we, as a board, all agree on the current top tier moves right now? I think its pretty accurate

XxBlackxX · Nov 18, 2008

i think so, and i think reflector should move down and ftilt move up (basically they should switch).

Vlade · Nov 19, 2008

Hmm personally I think dsmash is pretty underrated, but that's just me. I use it often out of shield and after spot-dodges to punish my opponent if they make mistakes.

But yes the top tier move list is definitely spot-on.

StarHawk_30 · Nov 19, 2008

what are you talking about xxblackxx, falcos down smash rules, I use it to easily kill people that have horrible vertical recovery. and firebird and fair are pretty decent moves (if you connect with all the hits)

XxBlackxX · Nov 19, 2008

StarHawk_30 said:
what are you talking about xxblackxx, falcos down smash rules, I use it to easily kill people that have horrible vertical recovery. and firebird and fair are pretty decent moves (if you connect with all the hits)

no, what are YOU talking about? lol. anyways, reasons why firebird sux: slow to start, short distance, easily gimped, laggy. here's why fair sux: VERY laggy after use, and hard to get all hits in. priority sucks too except for the last hit. doing fairs on the stage will get you punished. badly.

and i never said dsmash was bad, it's just pretty situational, more situational than fsmash imo. it's short range is the primary reason. if your opponents are getting hit over and over by your dsmash, they must not be very good opponents.

cutter · Nov 19, 2008

XxBlackxX said:
dsmash isn't THAT bad. and Usmash> Fsmash for sure. Nair > Fsmash even imo.

You almost have to be in point-blank range to hit someone with Dsmash, and if you miss with it, you're boned.

XxBlackxX · Nov 19, 2008

@cutter
yes, i didn't say it was too great either, however, it could have uses as a surprise KO move when close range. anyways i was responding to this list, not the OP. this list has dsmash with fair, uthrow, and firebird, and i don't think it should be THAT low.

Mithx said:
TOP
Landmaster
Laser
Dthrow
Dair
Jab
Phantasm

HIGH
Bair
Fsmash
Upsmash
Nair
Dash Attack

MID
Reflector
Utilt
Ftilt

LOW
Bthrow
Fthrow
Uair
Dtilt

BOTTOM
Dsmash
Fair
Uthrow
Firebird

My move tier list.

K 2 · Nov 19, 2008

Vlade said:
Hmm personally I think dsmash is pretty underrated, but that's just me. I use it often out of shield and after spot-dodges to punish my opponent if they make mistakes.

But yes the top tier move list is definitely spot-on.

I like dsmash since it sends your opponent at a downward angle, making it harder to recover. The only thing I hate about this move is that the range sucks. You have to be practically touching your opponent for this move to land.

Z1GMA · Nov 19, 2008

Tommy_G said:
Definitely underrating Up air. I'll have to get a video up to show you what I mean

Yea.. especially when combined with Falcos crazy high jumps.
KO's at around 70%

gunterrsmash01 · Nov 22, 2008

Fixed and Updated!

Vlade · Nov 22, 2008

Hmm maybe you might want to add a low tier section just to sort out the sheeps from the goats in the middle tier section.

B0mbe1c · Nov 23, 2008

I still think youre undermining the Dsmash..

But evrything alse looks decent.
Fthrow > Bthrow IMO.

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