Mew2King
King of the Mews
serious question, I'd like to know
which is faster. Can someone do frame tests?
which is faster. Can someone do frame tests?
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CGing marth... Shield-Cancel grab or regular dash grab, which is better?
- Thread starter Mew2King
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Smash Journeyman
Shield-Cancel would be better IMO, it's safer for if Marth Up+B's out.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
what about jump cancelled grabs, i remember reading that on a website refering it as a special technique
It would only work if he L-canceled the aerial before landing, and wavedashed into the grab.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
huh? they don't exist in brawl buddy, go play melee if you're gonna say nonsense like that!
Mikey7
Smash Lord
I've never had a problem with using simple dashing grabs...it just isn't hard to screw up
bludhoundz
Smash Ace
He said that because jump cancelled grabs are also exclusive to Melee.
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
SCG M2K, there is less room for error, and you can get 1 more grab off of Marth before you reach the edge (From 1 side of FD to the other) So its more worth it in the end.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
wow lol all these results were so random
so if dash grab is faster, why is SCG safer? sure doesn't seem safer to hit if it's slower, assuming that's true
so if dash grab is faster, why is SCG safer? sure doesn't seem safer to hit if it's slower, assuming that's true
because marth is probably gonna try to dolphin slash out of it, and if your shield grabbing you might not get hit by it? :S
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
Nah, SCG is actually faster, as your grab range is a little more then with Dash Grab, and if your off, unlike Dash grab, SCG could shield his Dolphen Slash, and its not very punishable like Dash grab is.
I should get some Frame data, but in total frames before D3 grabs, I think SCG is about 3 or 4 lower then Dash grab.
I should get some Frame data, but in total frames before D3 grabs, I think SCG is about 3 or 4 lower then Dash grab.
CO18
Smash Hero
I dont know which one is faster or whatever.
I can dashing grab and shield cancel grab marth easily but I usually shield cancel grab because they usually try to escape by up+bing and since it is a little harder to time than most characters its safer in case you whiff it.
Also shield cancel grabbing is just better in general since you get more cgs per stage length but whatever floats your boat
I can dashing grab and shield cancel grab marth easily but I usually shield cancel grab because they usually try to escape by up+bing and since it is a little harder to time than most characters its safer in case you whiff it.
Also shield cancel grabbing is just better in general since you get more cgs per stage length but whatever floats your boat
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
so im guessing the dash grab might be faster???
CO18
Smash Hero
yeah its possible. Its harder than everyone except pit.
IMO pit using up+b to escape is much harder than marth.
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
SCG is better anyway, Can't be punished as easy, and more CGs across a stage.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
running grab is the fastest because you don't waste frames doing the other one
CO18
Smash Hero
Im pretty sure its been proved the opposite.
A Standing grab take less frames then a dashing grab.
Doomblaze
Smash Journeyman
Shield canceled grabs are better cause that way, when marth tries to up-B out of your chain grab, you can F-smash his vulnerable lagged face. If you dash grab you might eat an up-B instead.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
but you can grab further is what im mainly saying
Oblivinati
Smash Rookie
Doesn't the SCG come out in less frames? You'd have to account for the time it takes for the shield input to be registered, but I'm pretty sure it's still faster.
And like they said, more grabs is more damage is earlier death.
And like they said, more grabs is more damage is earlier death.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
well yeah i guess, but sometimes doing other things are better than just grabbing, i mean CMON!
laird
Smash Apprentice
the thread is about grabs. *Facepalm*
I like the SCG against marth because of the reduced risk of getting Up+B'd. i'm pretty sure other than that both grabs are equally capable.
Buuman
Smash Ace
shieldgrabbing is better no matter which way u look at it
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
laird dont you facepalm me! i'll report you for rudeness! i merely suggested a counter for another tactic, it has nothing to do with not all about grabs, understand, comprehend, then understand!
J4pu
Smash Champion
the one that comes out quicker would be safer because when you shield grab there are frames between when your shield is up and when you actually grab, so the shield isn't really protecting you if you are trying to grab from it. just clearing that up since ppl seem to be saying the shield cancel grab is safer just because it has the word "shield" in it.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
is it about speed or about length?
Oblivinati
Smash Rookie
That's what she said?
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
hur hur, not funny buddy, we're talking about competitive brawl here, get out if you wanna do jokes
Joxer
Smash Apprentice
Who's being rude now?
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
M2k, i already figured this out.
Shield grab=you can see marth up b start, so bigger chance of it comming out if u mistime a tad
Dashgrab=smooth you dont see marth do a thing, more consistant, i think less total grabs, but safer.
Shield grab=you can see marth up b start, so bigger chance of it comming out if u mistime a tad
Dashgrab=smooth you dont see marth do a thing, more consistant, i think less total grabs, but safer.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
excuse me joxer, no one asked you, and besides, i wasn't rude, atleast i didn't make an insult with that's what she said joke, get real!
J4pu
Smash Champion
you are on the internet, grow up and stop being so sensitive.
or go back to watching Barney where they never say anything hurtful.
or go back to watching Barney where they never say anything hurtful.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
fine, i will watch barney, but at least i am nice and not a total jerkbag full of pride and arrogance like
RATED
Smash Lord
Quoted for Truth! this post own!
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
man get outa here bro, how is that quoted for truth, you just don't want to speak yoru mind because you are afraid he'll say that to you, grow up bro
TheWaft
Smash Journeyman
lulz for that, but i think you could auto cancel it somehow
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
auto cancelling is an important technique in brawl
BurtonEarny
Smash Ace
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nah, as long as I use the shield cancelled grabs then I dont have a problem with him... or any other character that can be chaingrabbed. When you dash grab I have a problem with the possibility of getting upb'd in the face.
I just played a marth yesterday and when I just normal dash grabbed he could always get the upb off, but when I used my shield grabs he never once could break the grab... just food for thought