In Depth Look Into: DACIT

INB4VIDPLZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V9WSbldn7Q

Note: At this time I am unsure of this is actually a Boost Item Toss, I say this because depending what direction you press on the C-stick changes how far you slide! it doesn't, but some directions are easier. Does that make this an Dash Attack Cancel Item Toss? (DACIT)

This allows for (more) sliding smashes, specials and tilts!

I know there is an In Depth Glide Tossing thread, so how about Boost Item Tossing? Something that is there just like glide tossing, but possibly better? *Look at Ike's glide toss, then DACIT. Glide toss = no distance | DACIT = ALL OF FD*

~Thanks to Bobsmith006 for discovering Bombsliding by himself last night, and testing other characters thinking it was new. ~


For those who do not know what a Boost Item Toss is, you must not main Link.

Things to Know First:

Boost Item Toss:
How to Perform:
Get a hold of an item.
Perform a DAC (Timings Vary, from my testing YOU MUST USE C-STICK TO DO THIS)


DAC
Short for "Dash Attack Cancel"
(Note: Some people (Sheik mains mostly ) call this DACUS, short for DAC Up Smash)

How to Perform:
Do a dash attack
Do an up smash (almost at the same time, so immediatly after)
(Don't understand? Search youtube, search smashboards :| not that hard to find multiple videos/links)


Toss Lengths ~Where it gets In Depth
Testing is currently being done for every character, regardless if they spawn their own items. (They can always steal Diddy's!)

Lengths: Measured by rough Final Destination length estimates.
As soon as: The soonest you can DACIT starting from one side of FD (before arrows/first arrow/second arrow)
Possible Throws: What directions can you throw in?
Additional Information: Anything else we need to know?


Ike, Wolf, Fox, Link, Toon Link, Game and Watch, Luigi, Yoshi, and Meta Knight all have good/useful DACIT. Everyone else sucks


Having problems throwing Forward?
Solution:
To get the forward throw every time all you have to do is diagonal up/forward on your control stick instead of up.

Havins problems throwing Backward?
Solution:
To get the backward throw every time all you have to do is hold diagnol up/back on your control stick instead of up.

Note: All characters can do every throw, but some are much harder then others to get maximum distance, or a notable distance.

IKE Who say's Ike is Slow? (VIDEO CLICK HERE)
Lengths:
3/4th's of Final Destination
+ Counter - Entire FD

Possible Throws:
Up (so far thats all I can get)
Forward (same distance as Up + small "jump cancel" distance. (I'm doing this with Tap Jump OFF btw)

Additional Information:
Counter gives a strange boost. Forward is hard to get, but totally worth it.

DACIT > Glide Toss

MARTH
Lengths:
Barely anything, forward and back seem to negate some throw lag, allowing tipped fsmash to be easily guarenteed.

Possible Throws:
Up (laggy throw)
Forward (Similiar to Toon Link)
Back (Similiar to Toon Link)

Additional Information:
Forward throw of a Banana can lead to Tipped Fsmash because it has less lag then a dash toss.
However overall....

Glide Toss > DACIT

MARIO
Lengths:
1/16th of Final Destination (barely anything, but notable)

Possible Throws:
Up, Back

Additional Information:
Goes from Second Arrow to First Point of that Center FD Diamond Thing
No moves extend slide
Only useful for going into a Jab it seems like.
However....

DACIT > Glide Toss

LUIGI (WEEGEE)
Lengths:
To opposite "point" of that Center FD Diamond Thing (3/4th's of FD roughly)

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Up Throw is the easiest and has the best slide
Back Throw is the second hardest and has the second best slide
Down Throw is the third hardest and has the worst slide
Forward Throw is near impossible haven't done it enough to tell the slide
All attacks except for his fireball and d-smash stop him immediately. He slides slightly instead of stopping with fireballs. He slides the full slide length with the d-smash

DACIT > Glide Toss

PEACH
Lengths:
She immediately stops in place. No Distance.

Possible Throws:
Up, Down, Back (Back being hardest)

Additional Information:
None

Glide Toss > DACIT


BOWSER
Lengths:
Nothing notable at all.

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Horrible.

Glide Toss = DACIT

DONKEY KONG
Lengths:
Nothing notable at all.

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Horrible DACIT.

Glide Toss > DACIT

DIDDY KONG
Lengths:
Near the same as Glide Toss, except Up which stops you completely. (like 1 step)

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Fthrow/Bthrow/Dthrow go about the same length as his Glide Toss, with harder input.

Glide Toss > DACIT

YOSHI
Lengths:
Up Throw: From First Arrow to Opposite Point of that Diamond FD Center thing.
Forward Throw: First Arrow to Center of FD
Down Throw: No Distance


Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Yoshi's Glide Toss Anyone?

DACIT > Glide Toss (Yoshi can't Glide Toss)

WARIO
Lengths:
Nothing notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
It sucks

Glide Toss > DACIT

LINK
Lengths:
First Arrow to First Point of Diamond Center FD Thingie.

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
His DACIT (Bombslide) is very useful when used correctly, easy to time, but can blow him up if he uses down.

DACIT > Glide Toss

ZELDA
Lengths:
First Arrow to Second Arrow Same Side

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Useless

Glide Toss > DACIT

:shiek: SHIEK
Lengths:
Nothing notable at all.

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Her DACIT sucks in every direction
Well.. this is funny.. both GT and DACIT are just as useless as eachother

Glide Toss = DACIT

GANON
Lengths:
No Notable Distance

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Completely Useless, at least Glide Toss gives some distance...

Glide Toss > DACIT

TOON LINK
Lengths:
Nothing notable, bthrow and fthrow gives some sliding.

Possible Throws:
Forward
Up
Down
Back
Additional Information:
Forward requires you to DAC and press Forward quickly. It helps more to press Forward on the C-stick.
Back requires you to DAC and press Back Quickly. It helps to press Forward on the C-stick
Down blows you up
Up has no notable distance

DACIT (forward and back) > Glide Toss

FALCON
Lengths:
1/16th with Down Throw
Nothing with Uthrow
Hard to take note of Fthrow/Bthrow

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Down Throw gives a possibly useful slide, but its hard. (Think Diddy Kong Glide Toss Length)
Forward/Back throw must use Forward/Back on the C-stick, Forward throw of a Banana can lead to Fsmash because it has less lag then a dash toss.

DACIT > Glide Toss

SAMUS
Lengths:
Nothing notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Horrible.

Glide Toss > DACIT

ZAMUS
Lengths:
Nothing notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Horrible.

Glide Toss > DACIT

PIT
Lengths:
Nothing notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Horrible.

Glide Toss > DACIT

ICE CLIMBERS
Lengths:
Nothing notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
It desynchs them. ... but so does Glide Toss (Nana faces wrong way at first in the Glide Toss though)

Glide Toss > DACIT

R.O.B
Lengths:
Nothing notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
It makes a funny looking taunt.

Glide Toss > DACIT

KIRBY
Lengths:
Nothing notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
No lag + very slight slide for forward throw. Better then glide tossing/dash tossing it.

DACIT > Glide Toss

METAKNIGHT
Lengths:
Uthrow = Uthrow glide toss length (forward)
Forward = Somewhat useful, decent slide.
Down = Almost like a Diddy Kong Glide Toss down.

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Glide toss is a bit better, and easier to do.

Glide Toss > DACIT

KING DEDEDE
Lengths:
Nothing Notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Both suck, which sucks.

Glide Toss = DACIT

OLIMAR
Lengths:
Nothing Notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Both suck but Forward is somewhat useful.

Glide Toss = DACIT

FOX
Lengths:
Up Throw - First Arrow to Center of FD
Forward Throw - First Arrow to Center of FD

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
You have to do this at like.. Sheik DACUS speed O_O

DACIT > Glide Toss

FALCO
Lengths:
Forward/UP - Diddy Kong Glide Toss Distance

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Glide toss is better, DACIT is like a super mini Glide Toss for him. (Diddy Kong Distance)

Glide Toss > DACIT

WOLF
Lengths:
Fthrow - First Arrow to Further "Point" of Diamond Center of FD Thingie
Uthrow - First Arrow to Further "Point" of Diamond Center of FD Thingie

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Spacies like DACIT a bit.
He can DACIT with Banana > Hit Diddy > Dsmash. Before Diddy grabs the edge.
He can DACIT > Fsmash, and end right in front of the banana.
Wolf is broken with a banana.

DACIT > Glide Toss

PIKACHU
Lengths:
Nothing Notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Sheik DACUS fast... for nothing : |

Glide Toss > DACIT

SQUIRTLE
Lengths:
Nothing Notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Useless

Hydro Tossing > Glide Tossing > DACIT

IVYSAUR
Lengths:
Same as her Glide Tosses, decent but not good.

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:

Glide Toss = DACIT

CHARIZARD
Lengths:
Nothing Notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:

DACIT > Glide Toss

LUCARIO
Lengths:
Nothing Notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
DACIT sucks for him T_T

Glide Toss = DACIT

JIGGLYPUFF
Lengths:
No Distance, at all

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Better then Glide tossing because it looks funny and makes a good taunt.

DACIT > Glide Tossing

NESS
Lengths:
Nothing Notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Forward is somewhat useful.

DACIT > Glide Toss

LUCAS
Lengths:
Fthrow - "Diddy Kong Glide Toss Length"

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Forward is somewhat useful, Uthrow pretty much stops you...

DACIT > Glide Toss


Game & Watch
Lengths:
Fthrow - Slides Nothing, or Slides Glide Toss Length
Uthrow - Slides Nothing, or Slides about Glide Toss Length

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
His DACIT allows you to throw the banana further, and slide the same distance as a Glide Toss. Therefore....

Glide Toss = DACIT

SNAKE
Lengths:
Barely anything, not notable.

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Forward is useful, thats it.

DACIT > Glide Toss

SONIC
Lengths:
Nothing Notable

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Glide toss ***** DACIT

Glide Toss > DACIT

Hey, I claim ignorance on the whole bombtossing deal. It was new to me.

The template doesn't matter anymore lol

Oh wow o_0. Great find, I'd better learn this.

More characters add, glad you like it metroid

Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?

How come I can't find Boost Item Tossing in the Comprehensive Guide to AT's? (or DACIT, rofl) thanks Bob. lol


I'm changing Boost Item Toss (since thats like... never used as a name) to DACIT. >: I don't care what people say.

Bombsliding should be refered to as DACIT...... since DACIT is (becoming) a general technique, that for most, isn't done with bombs.

Note: Ike can do Forward throw as well.

'tis fun to play around with lol xD

Kirk said:

Note: Ike can do Forward throw as well.

'tis fun to play around with lol xD

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how good is his fthrow? O_o because I haven't been fast enough to do it.

Havokk said:

how good is his fthrow? O_o because I haven't been fast enough to do it.

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Same length as his normal Item Boost. Pretty darn far. Though I'm unsure how to perform a down throw or a back throw with this still... :/

Hell this is awesome Ike can approach Diddy snake and a bunch of people with a projectile and Fsmash!

Just for clarification, this technique is just a Boost Item Toss or Item Boosting. It shouldn't be considered as a 'DACIT'...since the technique is already known.

I suppose it just hasn't been tested thoroughly with every character. *shrug*

Kirk said:

Same length as his normal Item Boost. Pretty darn far. Though I'm unsure how to perform a down throw or a back throw with this still... :/

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Just did 3 fthrows, its hard, but WOW...... tripping into fsmash anyone?

I can do bthrow/dthrow, but there useless. (About as far as a jump-canceled throw)


edit @ kirk

No one calls it "Boost Item Toss"........NO ONE....... : | I've heard that term TWICE since I've joined Smashboards.

TWICE

and ONCE was ME REFERRING TO IT.

and since it's performed like a DAC I suggest DACIT.

Dash Throw Canceled Item Throw - What it technically is. xD (DTCIT)

Dash Attack Canceled Item Throw/Toss - What I suggest (DACIT)

Easy to say, "boost item toss" takes to long, and on every level of technicality, a throw is an attack.

I wonder if Luigi could benefit from this due to his slipperyness?

LuigiKing said:

I wonder if Luigi could benefit from this due to his slipperyness?

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here's your answer:

LUIGI (WEEGEE)
Lengths:
To opposite "point" of that Center FD Diamond Thing (3/4th's of FD roughly)

As soon as:
First Arrow

Possible Throws:
All

Additional Information:
Up Throw is the easiest and has the best slide
Back Throw is the second hardest and has the second best slide
Down Throw is the third hardest and has the worst slide
Forward Throw is near impossible haven't done it enough to tell the slide
All attacks except for his fireball and d-smash stop him immediately. He slides slightly instead of stopping with fireballs. He slides the full slide length with the d-smash

DACIT > Glide Toss



EDIT:

OMFG.... THIS HELPS YOSHI

have you figured out how to do a throw when you want to? I can randomly get Ike's Fthrow 5 times in a row and when I think I have I start up throwing again.

Thank you havvok ^_^

Arturito_Burrito said:

have you figured out how to do a throw when you want to? I can randomly get Ike's Fthrow 5 times in a row and when I think I have I start up throwing again.

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Practice practice practice.

I did it 3 times in a row, twice when I wanted to, then started doing dthrows... then uthrows.... then I got another one in, then uthrows ever since.

Just takes practice

LuigiKing said:

Thank you havvok ^_^

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welcome ^_^

Havokk said:

Practice practice practice.

I did it 3 times in a row, twice when I wanted to, then started doing dthrows... then uthrows.... then I got another one in, then uthrows ever since.

Just takes practice



welcome ^_^

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I think I may have figured it out. Got it about 7 times this way but not sure if I'm just mind gaming my self or something.

All you really do is just hold the direction your running in a bit longer. So it would be down cstick > forward + Z > up instead of Down Cstick > up + Z. Makes it sound like a push pull glitch rather than a DAC.

Notice:

Possible as Soon as = No longer needed, you can do it from a (near) standstill like a QDA, it's just harder.

@art

I did it 3 times in a row, then did dthrow T_T lol

EDIT:

Fixed formatting issue with Possible Throws:

some were italicized, others weren't.

Removed Possible As Soon As.

Testing resuming.

Ike can do back throws too...looks pretty awesome. :D

Still can't get down throws though...

Vote:

When testing is finished, should I place those with a "Useful" DACIT into a seperate group from those that don't?

Then have the order be:

ABC Order in USEFUL DACIT
ABC Order for JUST DATA DACIT


ps: Fox has an almost sexy DACIT (almost can regrab his Banana with fthrow :D)

EDIT

@Kirk

How good is bthrow? same as rest? + vid pl0x. I can't do it

Same sliding distance as the rest...but the item is thrown backwards instead(obviously).

No more vids...at least for now...I have work in the morning. :/

For backthrows, just tilt the control stick diagonally up and backwards. Keep trying until you find the right angle.

GAME AND WATCH UPDATED.

His is actually useful, his fthrow was just harder to test before the easy way was discovered.

His is as useful as his glide toss, but throws the banana further.

*bump*

Also, thanks for all the help Kirk.

(afterthought

Ike/Marth will stay at the top. Ike because his is epic, Marth because he's part of FE and it makes my life easier.


EDIT:

Snake and Sonic are the only chars left.

Edit2:

All testing is done, video of "the best" coming soon.

edit 3:

Reason to believe that fthrow/bthrow will always have the same throw distance, don't want to update though and have it not be that way.

Reason to believe all characters can throw in every direction, with varying slides however. (mostly dthrow doesn't go far at all)

Havokk said:

No one calls it "Boost Item Toss"........NO ONE....... : | I've heard that term TWICE since I've joined Smashboards.

TWICE

and ONCE was ME REFERRING TO IT.

and since it's performed like a DAC I suggest DACIT.

Dash Throw Canceled Item Throw - What it technically is. xD (DTCIT)

Dash Attack Canceled Item Throw/Toss - What I suggest (DACIT)

Easy to say, "boost item toss" takes to long, and on every level of technicality, a throw is an attack.

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Actually, you'd be surprised. The smash lab has very much been discussing the naming of DACs and Boost and You'll find it to be a lot more common in the near future to hear the term "Boost Item Throw", and less common to hear the term "DAC"

scotu said:

Actually, you'd be surprised. The smash lab has very much been discussing the naming of DACs and Boost and You'll find it to be a lot more common in the near future to hear the term "Boost Item Throw", and less common to hear the term "DAC"

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I still think Boost Item Throw takes way to long to type.

While we're at it, let's all go back to AFA, ADA, AUA, and ABA for aerial names.


"Have you learned to BIT RAR ABA yet?"

Does TL's DACIT cover more length than jump cancel item toss (JCIT)?

Silly acronyms will make me go crazy I swear. <_<

Havokk, isn't dash->Usmash just a hyphen smash? DACUS is Dash->Down on C-stick->Up and Z.

VietGeek said:

Does TL's DACIT cover more length than jump cancel item toss (JCIT)?

Silly acronyms will make me go crazy I swear. <_<

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I think it covers just -barely- more then the jump cancel.... I also think it (seems) to have less lag?

I didn't really test his all that much, I was having problems doing Forward.. I'll re-test and get back to you.

EDIT: Did work son.

Jump Cancel Toss goes slightly further, has very slightly less lag, and its easier to do.

S.O.L.I.D. said:

Havokk, isn't dash->Usmash just a hyphen smash? DACUS is Dash->Down on C-stick->Up and Z.

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Except this is with with:

Dash
Hold Up, Up/Forward, Up/Backward
Any direction C-stick (you can do this for DACUS, but Down c-stick is easier for DACUS it seems like)
Z (you're holding up! remember! This is the same thing as pressing up+Z)

So recap:

Dash
Down C-stick
Up+Z


.... seems like a DACUS to me

If you dash and hold up won't you jump though if you have Tap Jump on?


And thanks for clarifying.

S.O.L.I.D. said:

If you dash and hold up won't you jump though if you have Tap Jump on?


And thanks for clarifying.

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You don't hold up with Tap Jump On.

Tap Jump On just makes it harder to throw back/forward.

You have to DAC like you normally would (at that speed), meaning you can't hold slightly forward and up, and have to QUICKLY press it from UP to FORWARD/UP to throw forward.

I was trying it like that, hence my failed forward results for about half the cast....

This is only really useful for Link, because he can do this with his bomb's right? I mean sure it is useful for Ike against a Diddy, but if the Diddy is smart, he will just stall if you grab a banana.

Nice use for Link though.

What? this is old. It's been found liek four different times too because nobody ever checks the **** AT thread.

Nintendevil said:

What? this is old. It's been found liek four different times too because nobody ever checks the **** AT thread.

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I know this is old. :|

I was the only one I believe that bothered to test for every character hence "IN DEPTH", otherwise the Yoshi and Ike boards wouldn't have interest in it.

-_-

Wow, I miss a lot when I stop and sleep for 9 hours. Nice to see that all the testing's done. :D

Renaming my bombsliding!?

DACIT is ok I guess, the name really doesn't matter, Im still naming this bombsliding because Im used to it.

Im also surprised so many ppl didn't know about it, I've been doing this with other characters other than Link since it was discovered but I guess since its more useful with Link, it never really got to the other char boards.

Arturito_Burrito said:

Hell this is awesome Ike can approach Diddy snake and a bunch of people with a projectile and Fsmash!

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Too bad those characters have to have terrible spacing or make a big mistake for you to get the item.

However I am scared of wolf...