Fsmash vs Diddy Kong sucks

SuSa · Dec 22, 2008

Now with proof:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=212159

It's about Boost Item Tossing, and Ike's.... goes the entirety of FD :|

IKE NEEDS MORE RANGE ON FSMASH..... lmao.....

Arturito_Burrito · Dec 22, 2008

what the? only Ike and link are good at something? I'm intrigued.

edit: omg!! super glide toss! This is a continuation of counter draw too. I wonder if there are other things that counter can slide further. Well not a glide toss but close to it lol.

Kirk · Dec 22, 2008

Item boosting...not the same as a glide toss.

Wonder why no one tested this with Ike before. xD

Nice find. :D

Edit:

Things to think about...matchup wise:

-Diddy's Bananas
-Snake's Grenades
-Peach's Turnips
-Link/Toon Link's Bombs
-ROB's Gyro

Neat. :D

SuSa · Dec 22, 2008

Thank Bobsmith006 not me.

Yah, I think its the same reasoning behind Olimar's grabbing people off the edge.

Not enough people multi-mained, or didn't care to test for others... lol

And yea.. @art... super super super glide toss xD since Ike can't glide toss at all...

Also, counter draw?

Also, read the thread for updates.

Updates are coming in every 5-10 minute (every time we finish testing a character. We test for so long because we rediscovered G&W's epic Uthrow... when at first it HALTED ALL MOVEMENT.... so now we test at different input rates.

Kinzer · Dec 22, 2008

Counter Draw is a near useless AT Ike has where if Ike unleashes Quickdraw a little bit above the stage floor, he can use Counter to get a boost forward.

It's only good for like getting close to the opponent and Countering their attacks,

It's almost impractical, really.

SuSa · Dec 22, 2008

I did it on my first try, and I can think of 1 use for it.

What you mentioned:

1. Opponents charging attack
2. You SH charged QD
3. They go "oh good, he's going to QD into it!"
4. You Counter Draw
5. Opponent goes "WTF mate?"
6.???
7. Profit.

Arturito_Burrito · Dec 22, 2008

if you do an aerial QD which makes you slide and then counter you slide even further.

Kirk tested like all the high tiers and none of them have it one lol.

comboking · Dec 23, 2008

while Ur sliding u can turn around and counter. Might help for the stun jacket. Very situational!

Kinzer · Dec 23, 2008

Doesn't it just automatically turn towards the source of the attack regardless?

Of course you're right about Counter-Draw being situational.

Kirk · Dec 23, 2008

omfg.

I have created the single most awesome Ike video in the history of ever.

...

Except not really...it's pretty freaking hilarious though.

Basically, Ike can Item boost...catch the item mid-slide, and do it over again. The results are pretty awesome if you ask me.

I'll see if I can upload it within the hour...

SuSa · Dec 23, 2008

Kirk, please upload and link me to that..............

DACIT approach, viable? NO WAYS? (and double DACIT useless? NO WAYS)

.... I can't do forward consistently with Ike

Arturito_Burrito · Dec 23, 2008

I got it 5 times in a row and it seemed kirk agreed on it having to do with how you use your control stick but now I can't recreate it.

edit: now we have something technical to say when people go I can't beat snake, diddy, ect...

Kirk · Dec 23, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GafEOWOxUw4

There you go.

Poetry in motion...

SuSa · Dec 23, 2008

Ike's special video near his name is being replaced with that.

+ Link them to the DACIT thread
+ RENAME IT DACIT **** IT

Very, very, very few call it Item Boosting / Item Boost Toss.... so I'm trying to get DACIT to stick.

Arturito_Burrito · Dec 23, 2008

turns out ryko was testing this out yesterday 0.0

To get the forward throw every time all you have to do is diagonal up/froward on your control stick instead of up.

SuSa · Dec 23, 2008

Bobsmith was also testing it out yesterday.

And he told me about it sooner. :3

And I'll try that

EDIT:

OMFG it works. rofl

Super combo:

Forward DACIT > Reverse Jump Cancele'd Upsmash

tonyrulz92 · Dec 23, 2008

Now if someone could make him dribble...

Kirk · Dec 23, 2008

I still can't get the down throw to work... :/

tonyrulz92 · Dec 23, 2008

Well maybe you can DACIT forward, catch, turn around, DACIT forward, catch, turn around, etc. Worth a try aye?

SuSa · Dec 23, 2008

You can try it, but that makes it lose its "WTF BOOM!" moment.

tonyrulz92 · Dec 23, 2008

I think it'd be more of a "WTF BOOM" moment if it turns out to look like a super wavedance. But someone else has to test it, I don't even have a Wii.

comboking · Dec 23, 2008

Kinzer said:
Doesn't it just automatically turn towards the source of the attack regardless?

Of course you're right about Counter-Draw being situational.

yea it does sorry

Nidtendofreak · Dec 23, 2008

O_O

Ike now does a forward moonwalk with bananas? Because thats what it looks like in Kirk's video.

What attacks can you do out of this? (and actually have it be worth while)

Kirk · Dec 24, 2008

Well, it's just throwing an item while sliding...so naturally when the throwing animation ends, you can perform any action out of it.

Notables:

-Jab
-Grab
-Tilts(more effective if thrown item is a banana)
-Smashes(more effective if thrown item is a banana)
-Counter(you slide a similar distance as that...AT that I don't like the name for >.> )

Note that Fsmash does work if you throw a banana from far enough away and it hits your opponent.

Also, Item Boost --> Jab --> Pivot Grab looks sexy as hell. You jab in front of them while still having some momentum from the slide to get behind them and grab.

Oceans14 · Dec 24, 2008

I wanted to try this out, but I don't fully understand just how to do an item boost. Apparently it works just like a boosted Usmash, which i don't really get either. If someone could explain these that would be great.

Royta · Dec 24, 2008

Run a bit, doesnt really matter how far.
Tap down on the Cstick (has to be set to smashes or attack)
hit Z + diagonally up (right - up, left-up etc).

You have to do the Z+direction when Ike is about to hit with his attack (the hitbox coming out). Timing is hard to get down but once you got it it's easy.

So again,

- dash
- cstick down
- Z-up
- win

=)

Tennet · Dec 24, 2008

What if you counter draw but rather than using a counter while you slide use DACIT?

Rykoshet · Dec 24, 2008

What if you counter draw... without using counter?

Nice. Pro even.

Arturito_Burrito · Dec 24, 2008

lol the first part would just be an aerial QD. Probably doesn't do anything since you have to run a bit before you can preform the boost toss.

What I'm wondering is how far does a boost toss > counter go in eldin since FD runs out of room...

Deleted member · Dec 24, 2008

sexy.

good find guys.

Guilhe · Dec 24, 2008

I’ve seen in Vyse AT list that Ike can through the same method boost his grab (though it’s not amazing as his item boost is), so mastering this technique should prove useful in any matchup. Still, I’m not doing it right, does it need the C-stick set to Smash?

Kirk · Dec 24, 2008

I've tried Boost Grabbing long ago with Ike...I don't see much a difference, if any, compared to his normal dash grab. Shield Canceled Grab is still the way to go.

Guilhe · Dec 25, 2008

Kirk, I can’t perform the item boosting, I keep throwing the banana down instead of initiating a dash attack. What am I doing wrong?

SuSa · Dec 25, 2008

Your C-stick isn't set to Smash most likely.

You need it set to Smash, then perform a DAC.

:mewtwo:

Rykoshet · Dec 25, 2008

You dont need it set to smash.

You're not taking your first step, likely. It's not like normal DACUS where you can do it from a standing position (and if you can the timing is tight)

Kirk · Dec 25, 2008

First of all, you do NOT need your c-stick set to Smash. Item Boosting works just fine with Tilt Stick.

If you're throwing the banana downwards, that means you are doing it too fast. As in...you aren't running enough first before you input c-stick down.

It's different than a normal Boost Smash because all you need to start it is a dash attack, which can be started as soon as you start a dash, which is basically 1 frame after. With the Item Boost, since you have an item in your hand this time, the timing is different...and you have to wait slightly more. You can still do it from a standing position, you just have to know the timing.

If you want to perform it as fast as possible from the standing position, first try timing your item throw without worrying about the boosting. Basically, alter your timings between inputting your Dash and C-stick down.

If you are doing it too fast, Ike will throw the item downwards at his feet, still standing in the same position. If Ike does a dashing throw(Ike chucks the item forward, bending over slightly forwards), then you have the right timing. Work with the timing and find the right speed first.

NOW go and try the full Item Boost. Keep at it until you get it.

It ALL comes down to the timing.

SuSa · Dec 25, 2008

Never used tilt sticking, sorry. Made an assumption.

:mewtwo:

Guilhe · Dec 26, 2008

Ok, I’m throwing the banana forward now, but he doesn’t slide at all. This is what I’ doing:
• Run;
• Hit C-stick down;
• Pressing Z + diagonally up with the control stick (in an angle similar to when I’m angling my F-tilt).
Thanks for helping everybody, even if I’m not getting it.

SuSa · Dec 26, 2008

Change your timing.

:mewtwo:

Kirk · Dec 26, 2008

Havokk said:
Change your timing.

Basically this.

If you're not sliding, either you're inputting the 'Up+Z' command too slowly after the c-stick down or incorrectly all together(possibly angling your control stick too far forward).

First try without angling the control stick and just point it upwards...the first step is to actually get the sliding motion, THEN you can try to throw the item forwards, upwards, backwards, etc. while sliding.

Just keep changing the timing until you get it. Practice makes perfect.

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