Comprehensive "Guide" to Fixed and Set Knockback? (title pending)

What are the uses of this list?

This list is to show all moves with Fixed Knockback. If a move has Fixed Knockback, you may create combo's from it because the knockback is always the same. So why not help make "True Combos" by finding all moves with Fixed Knockback?


What it means to have fixed knockback:

SmashWiki said:

"An attack with fixed knockback (also called recessive knockback) knocks its target back a specific distance that is unaffected by the target's damage.

MELEE EXAMPLES:
The most famous attack with fixed knockback is Fox's Reflector. Other examples include Luigi's taunt, the first hit of Young Link's forward smash, and Falco's blaster. Some attacks, such as Ness' forward throw, and some Natural combos have fixed knockback up until a specific point at which the knockback becomes dependent on damage. Throwing is a common way to test fixed knockback. An Up-throw will always go the same height as the last toss"

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Testing for Knockback:

SCOTU said:

For anyone that doesn't know this: to test knockback:
start a new game in VS
Hit an opponent with an attack
quit the game
under the hittee's stats screen find the one entitled "Max Launch Speed": this is the knockback of that attack.
You can now start a game in say, super sudden death mode, and repeat the process, if the knockback stays the same, it's fixed (if not set). Try it on some other character, if it's the same knockback, the attack has set knockback.

This way we can quantitatively gauge knockback, and ENSURE it's fixed/ set, in a way that everyone is testing in the same way, with no margin for error based on looking and guessing.

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MULTIPLE

Ledge Attacks (Below 100% - Semi-Confirmed - Wario vs Wario (at 999%), knockback went to closest "FD Diamond point". Tested against with opponent at 0%, same distance. Needs more testing. Zamus Proof Olimar Proof

Jabs - Semi-Confirmed If your character has a "multiple hit" jab at the end. (G&W, Falcon, Fox, Falco) the knockback is Fixed. If your character has a 2 hit Jab, the 1st Jab is "Fixed". If your character has a 3 hit Jab that is not multiple, the first 2 hits are Fixed. If your character has a 1 hit Jab (Meta Knight), the knockback is not Fixed. There are some exceptions to these 'rules' (Wario is one exception to the 2 hit jab rule) --- All this is theory and needs more testing.

BOWSER

Up Throw - Confirmed

Down Air (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Jab (First Hit) - Confirmed

Grounded Down B (First Hit, the one where you knock opponent up) - Confirmed

CAPTAIN FALCON

Jab (First Two Hits Only) - Confirmed

Neutral Air (First Hit Only) - Confirmed

Up Smash (First Hit Only) - Confirmed

CHARIZARD

Up Smash (First Hit Only) - Confirmed

Up B (Except Last Hit) - Confirmed

Jab (First Hit Only) - Confirmed

Back Air (Spike) - Confirmed

DIDDY KONG

Down B - Confirmed - Slipping is set knockback

Jab - Confirmed

Up Smash (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Forward Smash (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

DONKEY KONG

Side B - Confirmed - For ground only

FALCO

Neutral Air - Confirmed

Up Tilt (First Hit Only) - Confirmed

Jab (All Hits) - Confirmed

Neutral B - Confirmed

FOX

Up Air (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

GANON

Side-B - Confirmed - SET

IVYSAUR

Jab (Excluding Second Hit) - Confirmed

Down Tilt (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Neutral B - Confirmed

Back Air (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

KING DEDEDE

Up Air - Confirmed

Down Air - Confirmed

Down Throw - Confirmed - Knockback is different against each member of the cast, some bounce rather then 'slide', but the knockback is still fixed!

Jab (First Hit Only) - Confirmed

Neutral B - Confirmed

KIRBY

Neutral B - Confirmed

Dash Attack (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Up B (Excluding the "Projectile" part) - Confirmed

Up-B (Spiking Part) - Confirmed

LINK

Up B (Air Only, Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Up Smash - Confirmed

Back Air - Confirmed

Gale Boomerang - Unknown? - Believe the knockdown does.

LUCAS

Jab (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

PK Thunder 2 (Except First and Last Hits) - Confirmed

LUCARIO

Jab (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Forward Tilt (Only First Hit) - Confirmed

LUIGI

Up B (Unsweetspotted) - Confirmed

Jab (First two hits) - Confirmed

Down Taunt - Confirmed

MARIO

Down Air (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Up B (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Down B - Confirmed

Side B - Confirmed

MARTH

Side B (Third "Forward" hit Only) - Confirmed

META KNIGHT

Neutral B (Excluding last hit) - Confirmed

Forward Air (Exluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Back Air (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Up Smash (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

MR. GAME AND WATCH

Side B (8 only) - Confirmed

Jab - Confirmed

NESS

Dash Attack (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Up Smash (Charge Hit Only) - Confirmed

Down Smash (Charge Hit Only) - Confirmed

OLIMAR

Jab (Excluding Last Hitbox) - Confirmed

Up Tilt (Excluding Last Hitbox) - Confirmed

Up Air (Excluding Last Hitbox) - Confirmed

PEACH

Jab (First hit) - Confirmed

Up-B (Excluding Last Hit and Lingering Hitbox) - Confirmed

PIKACHU

Back Air (All but Last Hit) - Confirmed

PIT

Forward Smash (First Hit) - Confirmed

Up Tilt (First Hit) - Confirmed

Neutral Air - (All but Last Hit) - Confirmed

Up Air (Except Last Hit) - Confirmed

ROB

Up Tilt (weak hitbox) - Confirmed

SAMUS

Up Air (All but Last Hit) - Confirmed

Forward Air (All but Last Hit) - Confirmed

SHIEK

Jab (First Hit Only) - Confirmed

Utilt (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Forward Smash (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

SONIC

Up Smash (Excluding First and Last Hits) - Confirmed

Forward Air (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Jab (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Up Air (First Hit Only) - Confirmed

SNAKE

Jab (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Neutral Air (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Down Air (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Forward Tilt(grounded opponents only) - Confirmed

Down Throw - Confirmed

Up Smash (First Hitbox, not explosive) - Confirmed

Up B (Cypher) - Confirmed

SQUIRTLE

Jab (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Down Air (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Down Tilt (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Up B (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Neutral B - Confirmed

TOON LINK

Up B (Aerial, Excluding Last Hitbox) - Confirmed

Up B (Grounded, Excluding Last Hitbox) - Confirmed

Forward Smash (first hit) - Confirmed

Boomerang (on return only) - Confirmed

Down Smash (first hit) - Semi-Confirmed

WARIO

Up B (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Bike (As a Projectile, this includes Tires) - Confirmed

Down Air (Excluding Last Hit) - Confirmed

Down B (Uncharged only) - Confirmed - SET (it just trips opponent)

WOLF

Up B (Excluding Laster Hit) - Confirmed

Down B - Confirmed

Neutral B - Confirmed - Laser hitbox only, not gun.

YOSHI

Neutral B - Confirmed

Grounded Down B (Part that hits opponent up) - Confirmed

ZELDA

Jab (Except Last Hit) - Confirmed

Neutral Air - Confirmed

Forward Smash - Confirmed - Read Yuna's First Post on Page 6

Up Smash - Confirmed - Read Yuna's First Post on Page 6

ZERO SUIT SAMUS

First/second jab hits - Confirmed

First hit of Up-B - Confirmed

Third hit of Up-B - Confirmed

First hit of Up Smash - Confirmed

Middle hits of Up Smash - Confirmed

Neutral B - Confirmed

Stun

JIGGLYPUFF

Up B - Confirmed - No Knockback, only a "Stun" (sleep)

Special

Charizard

Forward Air (Tips) - Confirmed - Has knockback

FOX

Neutral B - Confirmed - Has no Stun or Knockback.

OLIMAR

Jab (Second hit, antennae hitbox) - Confirmed - No Knockback

Side B (Excluding Purple) - Confirmed - Has no Stun or Knockback.

Momentum

MR. GAME AND WATCH

Side B (1 only) - Confirmed - No Knockback or Stun

Up B - Confirmed - It makes them jump with you?

Up Air- Confirmed - "Windbox"

NESS

Psi Magnet - Confirmed - "Windbox"

PIT

Side B (Ending) - Confirmed - "Windbox"

Up B - Confirmed - "Windbox"

SHIEK

Up B - Confirmed - "Windbox"

TOON LINK

Down Air - Confirmed - "Windbox"

SPECIAL THANKS TO (in no particular order)
Adapt
Yuna
The_Dyne
TheUmbreonMonarchy
Kinzer
Denzi
Mister_E
SCOTU
and
All other contributers!

I thought Bowser's Dthrow had fixed knockback... his Uthrow does too?

The_Dyne said:

I thought Bowser's Dthrow had fixed knockback... his Uthrow does too?

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Yep, which leads to DI Reading.

People cannot DI behind Bowser when he does uthrow, if they try they are right above him.

They can choose to not DI, and he above him and -slightly- in front of him

Or they can choose to DI away, and they get this weird hitstun animation, move quickly away, and avoid our punishment for the other two basically... (you can dash, SH fair or sheild and OoS punish... but its harder)

:mewtwo:

ROBs D-Throw

EDIT : So I don't look like an idiot.. >_< Overswarm did say it at one point.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183492

joenopride said:

ROBs D-Throw

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Go test that again....

:mewtwo:

Smash wiki
An attack with set knockback (also called recessive knockback) knocks its target back a specific distance that is unaffected by the target's damage. The most famous attack with set knockback is Fox's Reflector. Other examples include Luigi's taunt, the first hit of Young Link's forward smash, and Falco's blaster. Some attacks, such as Ness' forward throw, and some Natural combos have set knockback up until a specific point at which the knockback becomes dependent on damage. Throwing is a common way to test set knockback. An Up-throw will always go the same height as the last toss.

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it used to be a list on there but not anymore

I believe Lucarios first jab.

What about Smasus Jab?

Havokk said:

Go test that again....

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My bad on this one. I assumed this was the case because dthrow starts out with higher-knockback than uthrow, but its then eclipsed in later percents.

I don't have a full list people. /end small small rant

I believe most Jab's will have a fixed knockback for first, second, or third hit. Have fun testing.

:mewtwo:

I believe that the spiking hitbox on both ivysaurs nair and charizards bair have set knockback

Oh, ganons choke hold, definetly.

Barge said:

Oh, ganons choke hold, definetly.

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I see what you did thar.

:mewtwo:

johe said:

I believe that the spiking hitbox on both ivysaurs nair and charizards bair have set knockback

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Believe =/= True

Sorry :/ I want evidence, or at least theoretical proof. lol


Something I can easily test, or someone is willing to test for hours (and wait for their testing to be confirmed)

:mewtwo:

The first hitbox of Snake's USmash has fixed knockback.

Kinzer said:

The first hitbox of Snake's USmash has fixed knockback.

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I'm a Snake main (sorta not really), how could I forget about this?

:mewtwo:

D3's Dthrow.

Luigi's Dtaunt (lol).

Snake's Dthrow.

D3's neutral B.

Wolf's down B.

Wolf's neutral B (Lazer part, not gun hitbox).

Fox's neutral B.

Falco's neutral B.

Squirtle's neutral B.

Kirby's neutral B.

Olimar's side B (if you want to count it...)

Ganon's side B.

Yoshi's neutral B.

Diddy's down B.

Wolf's "weak" Nair hits should be fixed knockback.

TheUmbreonMonarchy said:

Wolf's neutral B (Lazer part, not gun hitbox).

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lol, I was just about to correct you. I'm too slow.

TheUmbreonMonarchy said:

D3's Dthrow.

Luigi's Dtaunt (lol).

Snake's Dthrow.

D3's neutral B.

Wolf's down B.

Wolf's neutral B (Lazer part, not gun hitbox).

Fox's neutral B.

Falco's neutral B.

Squirtle's neutral B.

Kirby's neutral B.

Olimar's side B (if you want to count it...)

Ganon's side B.

Yoshi's neutral B.

Diddy's down B.

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For you're third post. Nice post.

Also for Olimar, does that include Purple pikmin? ( I would think not, but...)

:mewtwo:

TheUmbreonMonarchy said:

D3's Dthrow. only on characters he can infinite

Luigi's Dtaunt (lol).

Snake's Dthrow.

D3's neutral B. Actually this depends on the weight of the character

Wolf's down B.

Wolf's neutral B (Lazer part, not gun hitbox).

Fox's neutral B.

Falco's neutral B.

Squirtle's neutral B.

Kirby's neutral B. depends on weight of character

Olimar's side B (if you want to count it...) purples

Ganon's side B.

Yoshi's neutral B.

Diddy's down B.

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Kinzer said:

The first hitbox of Snake's USmash has fixed knockback.

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Wow Havokk how did you not catch that

Barge said:

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Thanks for uncomfirming those.

Might I add though:

Isn't it DAMAGE DEALT, not DISTANCE SHOT for weight, or is it both?

:mewtwo:

Havokk said:

Thanks for uncomfirming those.

Might I add though:

Isn't it DAMAGE DEALT, not DISTANCE SHOT for weight, or is it both?

:mewtwo:

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Both, lighter characters get more damage dealt to them + distance.

Uhhh jab flurries? idk... Yeah Ganon's chokehold would be one. And Yoshi's Neutral B. How about DDD's Down B, and Neutral B? And Kirby's Neutral B as well.

I've mostly lurked this site for a long time, but never actually signed up. I've also been on AiB. Just remove the "The" in this usernme, that's my AiB name. I've seen you on AiB too.

And, yes, Purple Pikmin does increase in knockback.

I'm -pretty sure- most get-up and ledge attacks have fixed knockback as well.

Flamingo said:

Uhhh jab flurries? idk... Yeah Ganon's chokehold would be one. And Yoshi's Neutral B. How about DDD's Down B, and Neutral B? And Kirby's Neutral B as well.

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You're to slow!

Last 2 debunked, Jab Flurries do not have set knockback but many Jab's do I believe, Yoshi's Neutral B has already been added.

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@Umbreon
Get up attacks do not have fixed knockback. I ate my words before I even posted this.

I did Wario's getup attack vs another Wario at 999%, and it barely hit him away. (note that I'm below 100%, not above)


:mewtwo:

Falcon punch has fixed knockback. It always kills.

Oh yeah, both Yoshi and D3's star thinggys should have fixed knockback as well

@ Barge - Really? I've always seen D3's Dthrow do the same amount of knockback, regardless if they can be infinited or not.

If we're talking about fixed distance for every character, then no, DDD's dthrow does not have fixed distance.

As Havokk stated, some "bounce" others "slide"

Formatting starting to begin, so people don't repeat stuff and things are easier to find.

Formatting it RANDOMLY by Name right now, then I'll get it in ABC order afterwards....

:mewtwo:

Wolf's weak Nair
Yoshi's downB stars
D3's upB stars

Wolf's weak Nair has no hitstun from what I can see.

No hitstun = no knockback

I believe.

:mewtwo:

Thanks for leading me on to ROBs D-Throw.. I'm going to try and figure out what makes that move work now.

Good idea to have this list compiled! Keep up the good work.

Denzi said:

Falco's Jab and (I'm almost positive) grounded Phantasm.

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Yes, probably.

Second part, no.

:mewtwo:

Sonic's first two jabs have set knockback, as somebody (I don't remember who) said that some characters' jabs would have.

Sonic's USmash attacks also have set knockback, although the first and last hitboxes are % dependent. I'm talking about the multi-hit moves inbetween the first and last hitboxes (the way I tested it was I hit a CPU training dummy in training mode and initiated the attack before the invincibility frames wore off from the recovery platform. That way, the first hitbox wouldn't send him flying before the other attacks would)

I guess if you had somebody else to help you out here, you could have somebody make the training dummy walk into Sonic's USmash after the "jump", and I'm sure you'll get the same results.

Havokk said:

Wolf's weak Nair has no hitstun from what I can see.

No hitstun = no knockback

I believe.

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He can Nair lock just like a jab lock, and fox's lasers can't do that to my knowledge...

Falco's Jab is yes.

G&W's Jab doesn't change either.

Falco's Reflector is no. I know that by rememberance.