Cg on zss

zaf · Dec 24, 2008

I haven't seen any threads or posts that involve this, so here goes o_O

dk doesn't seem like someone who can cg, but he can!
if you grab a zss, when she has 0%-8% and dthrow, you can dash and grab again.
its like ddd's cg. you can grab a zss and cg her from one end of FD to the other.
It will only work with low , low %, like i stated.
I watch a lot of bum vs snakeee, and ive never seen it done.
i dont know if this is even known yet.
maybe bum or any other dk has never used it because this could actually be ineffective?
but a free 30-40% to a dtilt or ftilt seems very useful to me.
i dont know if this works on any other chars, i havent tested it, but i know it works on zss

=]
-zaf

Ripple · Dec 24, 2008

DK does not have a chain grab at any % on anybody but ness or lucas.

d throw at 0% > d tilt > GFSC= **** though

zaf · Dec 24, 2008

Go test it right now, i guarantee you can cg a zss

i was doing it all day to my friend who plays zss.

make sure she has 0% or under 7%.
i wouldn't post without testing.
he cant DI out of it, and my friend is amazing at DI-ing

the cg will mess up on stages like lylat or yoshi's due to the non-flat stage

Jer · Dec 24, 2008

I can confirm this works, i play with zaf all the time, and i obv know how to DI

It works for about three throws from 0%, then DI'ing out of it is possible

ph00tbag · Dec 24, 2008

Has anyone tried to Flip Jump out of the grab?

Jer · Dec 24, 2008

Yes i have, it doesn't work. It's pretty gay, but hey that's some DK for ya

itsthebigfoot · Dec 24, 2008

it works 4 times on cf

Mith_ · Dec 24, 2008

Interesting find. This will be good to know.

CELTiiC · Dec 24, 2008

Good find, I have noticed this too. At low percents D-Throw into Dash Grab can work for a couple of rounds, than after a D-Throw depending on how far they go I'll Dash Attack, F-Tilt, or D-Tilt.

Veggi · Dec 24, 2008

I didn't notice this, ZSS doesn't seem like someone who would fall into it either.

Actually, I just had to say that zaf's signature is hilarious and needed a constructive comment to warrant it. Especially when Blanca pops out, lol!

zaf · Dec 24, 2008

Veggi said:
I didn't notice this, ZSS doesn't seem like someone who would fall into it either.

Actually, I just had to say that zaf's signature is hilarious and needed a constructive comment to warrant it. Especially when Blanca pops out, lol!

hahaha ty, the sig was made by Eleftarios. best yoshi

uhh... yea i wasn't expecting this to happen on zss either. I just grabbed at 0% one time, and chased. I noticed how close she was and re-grabbed, then did it a few more times. I thoguth Jer was DI-ing wrong, but then we tested it, and it does work. I've now brought this into my game against zss.

i1337 · Dec 25, 2008

=)

10smilies

Blad01 · Dec 25, 2008

I rapidly tested this, and apparently this cg works 3/4 times if you dash shield grab. And if it works on ZSS, it could work on a couple others characters, maybe the heavies like Link or fastfallers like Fox / semi-fastfallers like Falco.

CELTiiC · Dec 25, 2008

Blad01 said:
I rapidly tested this, and apparently this cg works 3/4 times if you dash shield grab. And if it works on ZSS, it could work on a couple others characters, maybe the heavies like Link or fastfallers like Fox / semi-fastfallers like Falco.

Yeah it isn't a huge CG but it still is one none the less. Hopefully it'll work on a few more characters.

Luigi player · Dec 25, 2008

This doesn't work. A running shieldgrab is too slow (you can only put up your shield when the dash is finished which is too slow to regrab her), and if you're doing a normal running grab DK doesn't has enough range to grab her again.

I just tested this with my brother, it doesn't work >_> she can spot dodge it.

YagamiDark · Dec 25, 2008

I heard it works on D3 and Falcon as well at low %'s.

CELTiiC · Dec 25, 2008

YagamiDark said:
I heard it works on D3 and Falcon as well at low %'s.

Lol, that's pretty cool, King Dedede is someone we really need to worry about though, say you miss a grab or screw up or something, you can knock yourself into an infinite or into a CG yourself. It would be sick if it did work on Captain Falcon though.

PKNintendo · Dec 25, 2008

So is this true or not. Seems like it could go both ways.

highandmightyjoe · Dec 25, 2008

I know it is possible on several characters, but I don't know how easily it is escaped. Could we get a list of characters who cannot escape it, if any?

CELTiiC · Dec 25, 2008

PKNintendo said:
So is this true or not. Seems like it could go both ways.

It's legit for a couple of throws, just nothing like D3 or Falco's chain grab.

itsthebigfoot · Dec 25, 2008

its a walking 4 throw cg on ddd

the walk seems to work better for this just because his standing grab is 10x better than his dash grab

Blad01 · Dec 25, 2008

Luigi player said:
This doesn't work. A running shieldgrab is too slow (you can only put up your shield when the dash is finished which is too slow to regrab her), and if you're doing a normal running grab DK doesn't has enough range to grab her again.

What ? You can put your shield WHILE you're running. Just run, press shield, then grab. Don't release the stick while you press shield.

Mith_ · Dec 25, 2008

DK can downthrow a lot of ppl at least twice at 0% and can CG i think half the cast against a wall. <3 green greens.

YagamiDark · Dec 25, 2008

With Dthrow?
Because he can do it with dtilt and cargo dtoss anyways.

Mith_ · Dec 25, 2008

YagamiDark said:
With Dthrow?
Because he can do it with dtilt and cargo dtoss anyways.

yeap. dtilt seems too easily escaped imo. too hard to space right haha. its easy to start a dthrow/cargo dthrow chain.

Blad01 · Dec 25, 2008

Hum... We should do further testings, because a Dthrow chain to CSS could be really fun

Luigi player · Dec 25, 2008

Blad01 said:
What ? You can put your shield WHILE you're running. Just run, press shield, then grab. Don't release the stick while you press shield.

You can't shield during a dash.

It doesn't work on Falcon and it doesn't work on Dedede.

This only works on a wall.

Blad01 · Dec 25, 2008

Luigi player said:
You can't shield during a dash.

Yes we can.

Luigi player · Dec 25, 2008

Blad01 said:
Yes we can.

Test it. It doesn't work. You can only put it up once you start running. During the dash animation you can't shield (and it sucks because I get hit out of it really often because you can't shield >.<).

Blad01 · Dec 25, 2008

Luigi player said:
Test it. It doesn't work. You can only put it up once you start running. During the dash animation you can't shield (and it sucks because I get hit out of it really often because you can't shield >.<).

Oh ok, you were talking about the dash starting animation ! Well somehow DK's one seemed fast enough during my quick testings to do 3 consecutives D-Throws on ZSS...

And running grab hadn't enough range indeed.

Luigi player · Dec 25, 2008

Blad01 said:
Oh ok, you were talking about the dash starting animation ! Well somehow DK's one seemed fast enough during my quick testings to do 3 consecutives D-Throws on ZSS...

And running grab hadn't enough range indeed.

Did you have a player who controller her? She just needs to buffer a spot dodge and you will not have enough time to grab her.

Nokonoko · Dec 25, 2008

How does the pivot grab compare in this situation …?

Ragnar0k · Dec 26, 2008

Mithx said:
DK can downthrow a lot of ppl at least twice at 0% and can CG i think half the cast against a wall. <3 green greens.

Oh god yes I <3 green greens. :chuckle:

Jmex · Dec 26, 2008

Mithx said:
DK can downthrow a lot of ppl at least twice at 0% and can CG i think half the cast against a wall. <3 green greens.

THIS! You mean its the same thing as DDD, where you can down throw regrab, down throw? Or are you saying, grab, cargo, down throw against a wall, regrab, cargo, down throw? Which is it?

zaf · Dec 26, 2008

Luigi player said:
This doesn't work. A running shieldgrab is too slow (you can only put up your shield when the dash is finished which is too slow to regrab her), and if you're doing a normal running grab DK doesn't has enough range to grab her again.

I just tested this with my brother, it doesn't work >_> she can spot dodge it.

Blad01 said:
What ? You can put your shield WHILE you're running. Just run, press shield, then grab. Don't release the stick while you press shield.

Luigi player said:
You can't shield during a dash.

It doesn't work on Falcon and it doesn't work on Dedede.

This only works on a wall.

you're wrong.

i have my "X" set to grab. after a dthrow on zss, i just dash and press X. she cant escape for a few grabs. she cant spot dodge. you just suck at this.

Jmex · Dec 30, 2008

So does anyone know if chain grabbing DDD is possible against a wall? Down throw to down throw? Or Cargo down throw to Cargo down throw.

powuh_of_PIE · Jan 29, 2009

Cargo dthrow chains into itself for up to about 50-60% depending on character size, and from there dtilt lock continues into KO ranges. Punch and Dsmash are both good finishers for this chain.

[FBC] ESAM · Jan 29, 2009

But after a D-tilt lock you should Foward B to 9 wind punch if you have it. It's godly

crifer · Jan 29, 2009

ESAM said:
But after a D-tilt lock you should Foward B to 9 wind punch if you have it. It's godly

no.
dsmash is better cause it sends them more up, sideB to punsh could be techable

istudying · Jan 29, 2009

0% - 8% doens't make sense ?!

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