Falco's Counterpick and Ban Stages

gunterrsmash01 · Jan 2, 2009

Originally J4PU's thread, and I asked him if I could remake it.

Please contribute what you think should be CP'ed or what will likely be CP'ed against Falco if you have ample prior experience with that character or good factual character stats to back up why you think so. Please no "CP this stage because I always play my friend's "character" and he sucks at it".

Char.
Counter picks in order from best CP option to worst CP option (it should still be good since it's a CP)
Opponent's likely CP's in order from Falco's worst stage to best stage
stages that might belong in this list but have not yet been thoroughly confirmed

Bowser
-JJapes, FD
-Norfair

C. Falcon
-JJapes, FD
-BF, Luigi's Mansion, Delfino

Diddy Kong
-JJapes, BF
-FD

Donkey Kong
-FD, JJapes
-Brinstar, Luigi's Mansion, Yoshi Pipes

Fox
-FD, JJapes
-Corneria

Ganondorf
-JJapes, FD
-Pirate Ship

Ice Climbers
-Rainbow Cruise, BF
-FD

Ike
-JJapes, FD
-Lylat, Pirate Ship

Jigglypuff
-, JJapes
-Delfino, Halberd, Rainbow

King Dedede
-JJapes, FD
-Lylat, Delfino

Kirby
-FD
-Rainbow, Delfino, Halberd

Link
-JJapes
-

Lucario
-Green Greens, FD
-Frigate Orpheon, Luigi's Mansion

Lucas
-JJapes, FD
-Norfair, Brinstar

Luigi
-JJapes, FD
-Rainbow Cruise, BF

Mario
-JJapes, FD
-

Marth
-FD, Yoshi's Island (Brawl), JJapes
-Delfino, BF

Meta Knight
-JJapes, FD
-Rainbow Cruise, Delfino

Mr. Game & Watch
-JJapes, BF
-Rainbow Cruise, Frigate

Ness
-JJapes, FD
-Pirate Ship, Corneria

Olimar
-JJapes, FD, Frigate
-Luigi's Mansion, Norfair

Peach
-FD JJapes
-Brinstar, Rainbow Cruise

Pikachu
-JJapes, BF
- FD

Pit
-JJapes,Yoshi's Island
-Port Town, Norfair, Delfino

Pokemon Trainer
-JJapes, FD
-

R.O.B.
-Green Greens
-Frigate, Delfino Plaza, Port Town

Samus
-FD, JJapes
-Lylat, Delfino, Norfair

Sheik
-JJapes, FD
-

Snake
-JJapes, FD
-Brinstar, Battlefield

Sonic
-JJapes
-Frigate

Toon Link
-JJapes, Green Greens
-Lylat, Delfino

Wario
-BF, FD
-Brinstar, Rainbow Cruise, Corneria

Wolf
-JJapes, BF
-Brinstar, Pirate Ship, Norfair

Yoshi
-JJapes, FD
-Lylat

Zelda
-FD, JJapes
-Luigi's Mansion

Zero Suit Samus
-JJapes, FD
-

Arty · Jan 2, 2009

I can't really see any advantages that Wario will have against Falco on Corneria

Denzi · Jan 2, 2009

Arty said:
I can't really see any advantages that Wario will have against Falco on Corneria

Small blast zones (esp. the ceiling) + Wario's Fsmash And Uair = not so much fun. Also, the slants/hills/fins/whatever mess with laser and Phantasm game. So it's not necessarily a good falco stage to begin with.

Vlade · Jan 2, 2009

I'm curious, since I didn't know green greens was good against ROB. Why is that?

King Funk · Jan 2, 2009

Ban Corneria for Fox... --> U-Smash LOL!

gunterrsmash01 · Jan 2, 2009

Vlade said:
I'm curious, since I didn't know green greens was good against ROB. Why is that?

I wondered this also. Then I looked at the rob boards

"Another deceptively bad stage; while edgeguarding is great for ROB, dying at extremely low % isn't, and that's what happens on this stage to anyone that plays it. Your projectiles are nerfed and you are forced to come in at odd angles, often with your blind spot exposed. This stage can be pretty rough on ROB." - Overswarm

Teran · Jan 2, 2009

Delfino is a potential CP Marth might choose, it's where I take Falco when I'm Marth. Basically BF for the most part which is nice for Marth, but there are loads of changes that can facilitate a Dtilt trap for Marth. All the weird terrain and stuff messes around with Falco's CG and lasers, and although some changes can benefit Falco, I find that the nature of the level makes it far easier for Marth.

Vlade · Jan 2, 2009

ozz3000 said:
I wondered this also. Then I looked at the rob boards

"Another deceptively bad stage; while edgeguarding is great for ROB, dying at extremely low % isn't, and that's what happens on this stage to anyone that plays it. Your projectiles are nerfed and you are forced to come in at odd angles, often with your blind spot exposed. This stage can be pretty rough on ROB." - Overswarm

Thanks. I'll try this out next time I verse ROB. But what does it mean by dying at extremely low %?

XxBlackxX · Jan 2, 2009

why is luigi's mansion listed both as your CP and snakes' CP?
i don't think you should try to CP LM against snake, because falco (or at least my falco lol) blows on that stage. did you list it because of the high ceiling?

also, picking corneria against D3=not a smart choice

Player-3 · Jan 2, 2009

Japes is a VERY good stage for DK, so i dont know if that should be in there for a CP, its good for both characters, but DK is one of the only (if not only) chars who can kill off the top using Usmash, and his recovery lets him live a long time + weight, he can down cargo throw into a klap trap spike if he knows the times, and stuff like that..

all in all, i wouldnt cp a dk to japes

Edit:
WHERES CAPTAIN FALCON?

gunterrsmash01 · Jan 2, 2009

XxBlackxX said:
also, picking corneria against D3=not a smart choice

As long as you don't get caught getting CG'd under the fin, you'll be fine. The low ceiling helps you way more then it helps him, and once I CG spiked a D3 into the Great Fox laser for the kill. But japes is a much better choice anyways

C falcon is on there...

XxBlackxX · Jan 2, 2009

ozz3000 said:
As long as you don't get caught getting CG'd under the fin, you'll be fine. The low ceiling helps you way more then it helps him, and once I CG spiked a D3 into the Great Fox laser for the kill. But japes is a much better choice anyways

C falcon is on there...

thing is, against almost every good D3 ive played, once they got a % lead, goes over to the fin and camps there.
also, the spike into laser is VERY situational.

as for low ceiling...well that's the only good thing i see that's good for falco in corneria, other than the fact that he can camp okay in this stage. thing is, i'd almost prefer smashville over corneria vs. a D3, because remember, we got an advantage on him already, but that's just my preference i guess.

Kitamerby · Jan 2, 2009

Vlade said:
Thanks. I'll try this out next time I verse ROB. But what does it mean by dying at extremely low %?

Green Greens is extremely tiny. That's why Lucario mainers avoid it like the plague.

Vlade · Jan 4, 2009

Battlefield really screws Pikachu over, so that would probably be a good bet if they ban japes. The platforms mess up their thunder and thunder jolt spam which is a pretty big part of pikachu's game.

deepseadiva · Jan 4, 2009

Oh hey Falco boards!

Peach is currently discussing counterpicks against yous guys!

We can trade info. Just flip the counters/bans.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=194857

§witch · Jan 4, 2009

Ganon will probably do best on pirate ship. One, no chain spikes, and two, ganon water spikes are nasty, once he spikes you into the water once, it's over.

SpookyGhost · Jan 5, 2009

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Never mind.

deepseadiva · Jan 5, 2009

So, we're finishing up Falco this week. Here's our info.

Falco
Counterpick: Rainbow Cruise, Luigi's Mansion, Lylat Cruise, Castle Siege, Pokemon Stadium 1, Brinstar
Ban: Jungle Japes

Just reverse the info no?

Though I feel we should ban a few more stages...

Teran · Jan 6, 2009

MenoUnderwater said:
So, we're finishing up Falco this week. Here's our info.

Just reverse the info no?

Though I feel we should ban a few more stages...

Isn't Peach actually generally good on Japes? I'm not saying she's better than Falco there, but I'd rather take her on FD than Japes. That's just me though... still you should add FD to the ban list against Falco.

wangston · Jan 6, 2009

Yeah I didn't like it when I cp japes against Rowans peach. He lived until forever. Not to mention the only reason to go to **** is to spike people in the water. The only was you're spiking peach in the water is if you grab he at the edge. You can't cg her and the "new pillar" thing doesn't work she just smacks you in the face.

And for Ike you should ban pirate ship. If not ike can camp in the water all day. He will wait for you to come out, use his up b, he get spiked under the water, then he dairs you and you die. It doesn't matter what percent you are at you die.

MyCurse4Life · Jan 8, 2009

again...... kool list

Cross. · Jan 9, 2009

Ike will probably go for pirate ship since he live for ever there and his water spikes are nasty.

Vlade · Jan 11, 2009

Against Game and Watch, I would probably ban Corneria over Rainbow Cruise. He gets insane buckets from the arwings, + a dtilt lock which he can force upon you if he's in the lead.

I guess it's just preference, since I don't really mind playing on RC.

AlKrauser · Jan 15, 2009

why is yoshi pipes bad for falco?

Tommy_G · Jan 15, 2009

yoshis isnt bad but it's banned. I hate yoshis story and lylat....on a side note.

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Teran · Jan 16, 2009

Tommy_G said:
yoshis isnt bad but it's banned. I hate yoshis story and lylat

Yoshi's is the most deceptively bad stage. I do worse there than on Lylat, at least on Lylat you can salvage something. Yoshi's is just subtly detrimental to my playstyle. Ban it!

J4pu · Jan 16, 2009

which yoshi's?

Teran · Jan 16, 2009

J4pu said:
which yoshi's?

Yoshi's Story Brawl.
Pipes is pretty gay though...

J4pu · Jan 23, 2009

needs moar updates
died too fast

bowz · Jan 24, 2009

Why isn't luigi's mansion on the ban list for metaknight? o.o

King Funk · Jan 24, 2009

bowz said:
Why isn't luigi's mansion on the ban list for metaknight? o.o

Because we have just discovered that Meta Knight can be laserlocked in Luigi's Mansion...

J4pu · Jan 24, 2009

I tried the Utilt > LL on a Ness on Luigi's Mansion, you can't shoot lasers soon enough to catch them in the bounce, so if they aren't fat enough the lasers go over them while they are laying on the floor.

I'm not even sure if LL works on Ness in general but the above still holds true for LL'able characters.

§witch · Jan 24, 2009

J4pu said:
I tried the Utilt > LL on a Ness on Luigi's Mansion, you can't shoot lasers soon enough to catch them in the bounce, so if they aren't fat enough the lasers go over them while they are laying on the floor.

I'm not even sure if LL works on Ness in general but the above still holds true for LL'able characters.

You can't LL ness at all anyways, but that's good to know.

Hyo · Jan 24, 2009

Funk King said:
Because we have just discovered that Meta Knight can be laserlocked in Luigi's Mansion...

Does a laser lock validate not banning that on MK? This is MK we're talking about, he flourishes on Luigi's. I think there are a lot of better stages to take him.

On a side note, I always seem to fare well against MK on battlefield. How about you?

Darxmarth23 · Jan 24, 2009

I would rather not have a laser lock and ban mansion, then have a laser lock and have a broken character go head to head at me in his fortress.

King Funk · Jan 25, 2009

Darxmarth23 said:
I would rather not have a laser lock and ban mansion, then have a laser lock and have a broken character go head to head at me in his fortress.

That's for sure, but I don't think Luigi's Mansion is as horrible as Delfino and Rainbow Cruise for Falco against MK.

J4pu · Jan 25, 2009

Delfino? water + walk-off areas + areas with low ceiling
doesn't seem that bad to me

¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯ · Jan 25, 2009

Falco ***** Marth on Japes, it's arguably Marth's worst stage and one of Falco's best. Most Marth's will ban it though. Another ban vs. Marth would be Lylat, bad for Falco, one of Marth's best.

Hyo · Jan 25, 2009

The general consensus for most of the cast is go for Japes, expect it to be banned, then go for FD? Is that it?

As for what Falco should ban, why don't we ban RC all the time? That place almost always makes you firebird if you're getting hit at all. And we can't really camp there.

DEHF · Jan 26, 2009

wario beats falco on jungle japes

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