New Captain Falcon Combo

CJTHeroofTime · Jan 26, 2009

My friend TOCK discovered a new Captain Falcon combo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtWOwzw94Xg

Instructions are all in the video.

Note: I searched the Falcon boards and found nothing of this sort. If this was already discovered, then send me a link to the thread and I will gladly credit that person.

Ayaz18 · Jan 26, 2009

whoa now that's interesting

applications can come from this, we should test with this, But i'm still doing exams so somebody else tinker with this.

RjPunch · Jan 26, 2009

So it was a knee to a footstool. I never thought to use a footstool for a kill. It's risky, but it could work. I could try to work to see if i could repeat this. If it works for me i'll post back

Noodlehead · Jan 26, 2009

nice discovery, this would only work if you didnt use your second jump though.

Stafy · Jan 27, 2009

that is some hot sex right there

eRonin · Jan 27, 2009

Ah, that is sweet, but I'll be busy for the rest of the year sooo
Maybe next holidays. School starts tomorrow =3

xoxokev · Jan 27, 2009

Noodlehead said:
nice discovery, this would only work if you didnt use your second jump though.

Why? You don't need your second jump to perform a footstool

CJTHeroofTime · Jan 27, 2009

xoxokev said:
Why? You don't need your second jump to perform a footstool

I think he means you need your second jump to position yourself to footstool

Wogrim · Jan 27, 2009

Sexy

But when will a footstool kill when a sweet knee won't?

F5Hazardousdoc · Jan 27, 2009

Wogrim said:
Sexy

But when will a footstool kill when a sweet knee won't?

Low percents, can setup to nudge combo for more ownage. You can't tech a footstool.

This is pretty awesome looking :D

But yeah, what I said is just a hypothesis, if you can land a knee then footstool em, it would setup for them hitting the ground and whatever we do there, like nudge combo or dair. Since footstool's can't be teched, theres some combo possibility.

Zeallyx · Jan 27, 2009

How does one perform this..

If its easy we would have been doing for ages as one will (almost) always try to follow up (with a second jump) as quick as possible

Nice find though, maybe we should look into the footstools combo ability overall (not just after a knee)

Wogrim · Jan 27, 2009

*Cues NAir to footstool to aerial Falcon Kick discovery

PK-ow! · Jan 27, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
How does one perform this..

If its easy we would have been doing for ages as one will (almost) always try to follow up (with a second jump) as quick as possible

Nice find though, maybe we should look into the footstools combo ability overall (not just after a knee)

It would be any move (with a particular frame of hit) whose lag (frames after hitting) is strictly less than the hitlag the move creates (for hitting on that frame).
Parentheticals are important.

It appears the sweetspot knee was fast enough to get a jump... or had special IASA.
I expect the property would be rare, but it could possibly exist on other moves. Only ones with 'pause of awesome' hitlag, though.

Zeallyx · Jan 27, 2009

Wogrim said:
*Cues NAir to footstool to aerial Falcon Kick discovery

yeah, but I was thinking about Dair>aerial footstool>aerial falcon kick more,
it could do nice damage

Wogrim · Jan 27, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
yeah, but I was thinking about Dair>aerial footstool>aerial falcon kick more,
it could do nice damage

Or maybe even DAir -> Sweet Knee -> Footstool -> Aerial Falcon Kick

Zeallyx · Jan 27, 2009

Wogrim said:
Or maybe even DAir -> Sweet Knee -> Footstool -> Aerial Falcon Kick

Yesz
I'll look into it

also, if we can get the 'landing hitbox' of the falcon kick to also connect (together with the falcon kicks aerial hitbox) that would do 24% damage.

Dair (=14% damage) > (footstool = 0% damage) > aerial falcon kick (both hitboxes connect = 23% damage) = 37% damage

if we can get both hitboxes of the falcon kick to connect after a knee>footstool (probably not, but we can try)

that would be

Dair (14%) > Knee (19%) > aerial falcon kick (both hitboxes connect = 24%) = 57%

that is some nice damage right thar

Zeallyx · Jan 27, 2009

I may have something

Vid: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=fzqc6dH8SCY

The vid contains a demonstration of a SH Rising Uair>footstool>Aerial falcon kick

also, while trying this, I thought maybe a falling Uair>(SH) Nair might be inescapable at lower percents. not sure though..

Red-Blue · Jan 27, 2009

This is NOT a combo, at all. The Falcon knees Fox. But the "cinematic" lag was ended because one of Fox' FAir kicks hits Falcon. Falcon then jumped, resulting in a footstool.

One way or another, I'd rather knee and NOT get hit.

Wogrim · Jan 27, 2009

Red-Blue said:
This is NOT a combo, at all. The Falcon knees Fox. But the "cinematic" lag was ended because one of Fox' FAir kicks hits Falcon. Falcon then jumped, resulting in a footstool.

One way or another, I'd rather knee and NOT get hit.

If that's the reason why we haven't seen it before, it's still be a combo, just almost impossible to pull off.

DeactoVater · Jan 27, 2009

it would be funny if there is an easier way to do it everytime.
and it was used as a show off move. lol

Red-Blue · Jan 27, 2009

What you're implying is that we end out ending lag to...footstool.

1. We can't end our own lag. Therefore, it's not even possible for us to call it a combo.

2. Would you rather Knee, or footstool? A footstool is recoverable at any %. Knee r da reel shiz.

DeactoVater · Jan 27, 2009

chill its just video

Red-Blue · Jan 27, 2009

Sorry, should've quoted Wogrim. And why do I always sound pissed off? I'm not...

****** **** *** ****!!

CJTHeroofTime · Jan 27, 2009

Red-Blue said:
Sorry, should've quoted Wogrim. And why do I always sound pissed off? I'm not...

****** **** *** ****!!

Its your avatar. He looks like hes throwing a temper tantrum lol.
But I was actually surprised you guys were considering this one for so long... It seems like more or less a joke finisher to really shame your opponent.

Wogrim · Jan 27, 2009

Red-Blue said:
What you're implying is that we end out ending lag to...footstool.

1. We can't end our own lag. Therefore, it's not even possible for us to call it a combo.

2. Would you rather Knee, or footstool? A footstool is recoverable at any %. Knee r da reel shiz.

1. All combos require your opponent to be in some sort of position. Some are standing on stage, some are in the air, this one just happens to require your oponent to be attacking with a weak nondisjointed hitbox so that you can trade hits with sweet knee and be able to do stuff before he flies away because you traded a lot of lag for a bit of hitstun.

2. No, footstool is not always recoverable, especially in psychological stun after being sweet-kneed. I agree that I'd be plenty happy leaving it at just a sweet knee though.

Player-3 · Jan 27, 2009

this would only work on moves that have multi hits,
Fox fair, snake nair, snake dair possibly, falco fair, etc.

and on snake i would much rather knee > footstool.

causing him to cypher..
fo another free knee...
...
YESZ

Noodlehead · Jan 27, 2009

xoxokev said:
Why? You don't need your second jump to perform a footstool

you need your second jump to perform the falcon dive footstool, when you dont use your second jump,falcon dive gets a short hop in the beginning of the dive

Dxkid · Jan 27, 2009

What a sexy combo

but how he did it confused me

DeactoVater · Jan 27, 2009

Red-Blue said:
Sorry, should've quoted Wogrim. And why do I always sound pissed off? I'm not...

****** **** *** ****!!

Lol Nah i was just being an A-s-s

RjPunch · Jan 27, 2009

I was talking with my friends about this move and I came to the conclusion that this is situational and risky but very useful. I did this a couple of times and it to be useful. Who wouldn't do this? If I talked to much im sorry. I'd rate this as 7 out of 10. Again sorry if this offended you.

F5Hazardousdoc · Jan 27, 2009

RjPunch said:
I was talking with my friends about this move and I came to the conclusion that this is situational and risky but very useful. I did this a couple of times and it to be useful. Who wouldn't do this? If I talked to much im sorry. I'd rate this as 7 out of 10. Again sorry if this offended you.

Hell, alot of the stuff is situational, better to have yet another sexy move in our arsenal for the situations. Falcon profits off of the opponents mistakes, might as well learn every half baked AT out there for it.

Like FLAMEDASHING >: D

Player-3 · Jan 28, 2009

F5Hazardousdoc said:
Hell, alot of the stuff is situational, better to have yet another sexy move in our arsenal for the situations. Falcon profits off of the opponents mistakes, might as well learn every half baked AT out there for it.

Like FLAMEDASHING >: D

THIS THREAD CONTAINS FLAMEDASH!!?!?!

ATs dont make a good player..
Ts make a good player...

Red-Blue · Jan 30, 2009

Wogrim said:
1. All combos require your opponent to be in some sort of position. Some are standing on stage, some are in the air, this one just happens to require your oponent to be attacking with a weak nondisjointed hitbox so that you can trade hits with sweet knee and be able to do stuff before he flies away because you traded a lot of lag for a bit of hitstun.

2. No, footstool is not always recoverable, especially in psychological stun after being sweet-kneed. I agree that I'd be plenty happy leaving it at just a sweet knee though.

1. You can't plan a flinch. It's kinda like that video "Self-Knee?" Falcon knees. Lucas' FAir causes flinch. (Only difference is that Lucas' FAir has noticable knockback, and the knee wasn; t sweetspotted.) It's not a combo because we can't cause flinches, nor can we end our own lag. If we could, Falcon would be waaaaaaaaaay higher than his current position. (Not only tier list, but also the minds of Smashers. (Only real men respect Falcon.)

2. I mean, a knee at 0% won't kill at the middle of Final Destination. At 200%, it will kill. If you footstool someone at 0%, and 200%, what difference will you really see? That's what I mean.

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