Toon Link's Match-up Discussion #30 - Captain Falcon

VietGeek · Feb 17, 2009

Captain Falcon

Ratio: 70:30 Toon Link

Synopsis:
Coming like...when you believe.

Onward!

Player-3 · Feb 17, 2009

You have projectiles.....99.9/.1 TLs favor

Kinzer · Feb 17, 2009

It's as bad as the Sonic/DTilt matchup huh?

There's gonna be something Falcon has to make the matchup better than that.

He's pretty fast to get around those there projectiles I think.

F00LY · Feb 17, 2009

Falcon's manliness should count for something.

Sosuke · Feb 17, 2009

I came into this thread thinking it was Melee CF and I'm like "No, were ****ed!".
Then I remembered it was Brawl and calmed down.

As far as match up.... >_<

You can Dair at the edge to spike him as he is trying to recover sometimes because Falcon's Up-B doesn't sweetspot the edge from certain angles.

Spammmm.

Umm.
Zairrrrrr.

Uhh.

NAIR QUICK DRAW HELL YEAH.

._.

I scared to give anything in detail because I'm a nub and have no experience at this game. =3

Wogrim · Feb 17, 2009

F00LY said:
Falcon's manliness should count for something.

Uh... that's what I base all my matchups on.....

100-0 Falcon

If you were Young Link you'd have a chance.

Sorry I'm not sure if I'm going to make a more serious post.

NeoCrono · Feb 17, 2009

Bombs, SHDA, and Zair. You can pretty much render captain falcon useless if you keep your distance.

Just don't get kneed

Skip2MaLoo · Feb 17, 2009

60:40. seriously. captain falcon can block all incoming arrows + boomerang from tink with his jab and the bombs are pretty easy to navigate around. captain falcon does have some air advantage on toon link with proper spacing. bair from tink and the suprise bow canceling arrow thing after aerials does **** if you forget to jab block em. yeah, people are gonna think im crazy for saying falcon has a good match up against tink or that i have no idea what im talking about, but my friend is a tink main and he places high in tournies (better than me since i usually go all falcon). maybe you guys wont think im so crazy as soon as i get some competitive vids up of me playing.

Sosuke · Feb 17, 2009

*mans up enough to try to help*
*sighhhhhh*
Forgive my lack of knowledge.
Obviously in TL's Favor. Maybe like 70-30. I can't even imagine what CF can do to TL.

Approaching: Falcon should usually be forced into approaching due to TL's projectiles. I don't even know what Falco's approach with. T___T Probably Nair. Well, if its Nair, it auto cancels. So you should just,,, punish him before he grabs you after he uses Nair.

Getting gimped: Falcon has a spike, don't get spiked. blah blah blah. Shouldn't be hard with TL's recovery options.

Gimping: "You can Dair at the edge to spike him as he is trying to recover sometimes because Falcon's Up-B doesn't sweetspot the edge from certain angles."

Grabbing: Shield grabbing any of CF's attacks that isn't Nair should be really easy.

Approaching CF: Just approach with whatever you see fit. =/
Nothing really special that can screw you over.

>_>
*feels like a jerk for not knowing CF stuff and posting about it anyway*

Wogrim · Feb 17, 2009

Skip2MaLoo said:
60:40. seriously. captain falcon can block all incoming arrows + boomerang from tink with his jab and the bombs are pretty easy to navigate around. captain falcon does have some air advantage on toon link with proper spacing. bair from tink and the suprise bow canceling arrow thing after aerials does **** if you forget to jab block em. yeah, people are gonna think im crazy for saying falcon has a good match up against tink or that i have no idea what im talking about, but my friend is a tink main and he places high in tournies (better than me since i usually go all falcon). maybe you guys wont think im so crazy as soon as i get some competitive vids up of me playing.

Yes his projectiles are pretty avoidable, but TL's got a few moves (like BAir and NAir) that are far from bad, and his size in conjunction with those hitboxes' disjointedness prevents him from being that easy.

F5Hazardousdoc · Feb 18, 2009

60:40 65:35 Tink's advantage.

Oh, and I've played Tinks. I have nightmares of tinks running around all day loooooooooooooooooooong.

Hyrulian Royalty, Near, SailingDreamer, and many others... Gawd I hate tink, theres too many of em.

Anyways, Falcon KYICK clashes with the boomerang and arrows, Falcon Dive can grab you out of some of your aerials *even your dair, if tink isn't directly above us*, and Tink's lightness helps falcon's KO power.

But you got stuff to toss at him, so thats why falcon has a tough time. At least its not lasers that you can't clash with... XD

Plus zair is a safe move for tink, as well as his exceedingly annoying nair.

Skip2MaLoo · Feb 18, 2009

im not sure how, or what i did, but i remember clanking/clashing/whatever you call it when two moves collide(collision lolz) with tink's zair.

iRjOn · Feb 18, 2009

Skip2MaLoo said:
im not sure how, or what i did, but i remember clanking/clashing/whatever you call it when two moves collide(collision lolz) with tink's zair.

You cant must have been dreaming about it.

oOJaseOo · Feb 18, 2009

Ooooooooo yay iv got of exp in this match up

If you wanna live you gotta learn how to tech
His up b aint that easy to spike cause he can make it zig zag
get hit by his falcon punch and you may aswell just throw your controller away
his up tilt is nasty and be careful about tether recovering it will get you
dsmash gimp can work well with decent mindgames after you've got him drop off and throw a rang at him for the gimp make sure its after his jump tho
erm when he's pressureing you nair zair and the wat not
ibomb works wonders
carefull with him cause i dont know about the other falcons but the one i go against allways goes for over kill and will get it if you dont throw a bomb or sumin example watch rebaz
he has a nasty jab cancel which lets him grab you
and spamming doesnt rlly work because of his speed and the jab is best to mix up your ariels with camping
oh and one last thing this is the most important never underestimate a falcon i dont care if he's bottom tier and your marth/toon link/metaknight/snake/ anyone with a sword or projectiles cause the stuff iv seen happen to some of the players my friend has beaten made them drop there controller and cry (no joke one guy did just drop his controller and cry after his rob got 3 stocked by falcon ^^)

SmashBrother2008 · Feb 18, 2009

lol I would give input but, because everyone hates Falcon, they will only disregard it anyway...

Skip2MaLoo · Feb 18, 2009

iRjOn said:
You cant must have been dreaming about it.

probably. XD ill have to watch the replay. im going to my friend's training ground thing this saturday so ill find out if its fiction or not. or maybe it was a boomerang or arrow. so...many...projectiles o_O

Face124 · Feb 18, 2009

sasukebowser said:
*mans up enough to try to help*
*sighhhhhh*
Forgive my lack of knowledge.
Obviously in TL's Favor. Maybe like 70-30. I can't even imagine what CF can do to TL.

Yup, pretty much lol.

Approaching: Falcon should usually be forced into approaching due to TL's projectiles. I don't even know what Falco's approach with. T___T Probably Nair. Well, if its Nair, it auto cancels. So you should just,,, punish him before he grabs you after he uses Nair.

N-air isn't Falcon's greatest approach, I think it tends to be B-air, U-air and SH ADs.

Getting gimped: Falcon has a spike, don't get spiked. blah blah blah. Shouldn't be hard with TL's recovery options.

Gimping: "You can Dair at the edge to spike him as he is trying to recover sometimes because Falcon's Up-B doesn't sweetspot the edge from certain angles."

Grabbing: Shield grabbing any of CF's attacks that isn't Nair should be really easy.

N-air's range isn't good, B-air has more and so does U-air. I dunno what Tl can or can't shieldgrab though.

Approaching CF: Just approach with whatever you see fit. =/
Nothing really special that can screw you over.

>_>
*feels like a jerk for not knowing CF stuff and posting about it anyway*

oOJaseOo said:
ibomb works wonders

http://news.cnet.com/5208-1029_3-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=15976&messageID=137110&start=-1

Yes, great for scaring burglars and potentially destroying their faces.

Do the falcon mains forget this thread?:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=211628

I'm surprised no-one made reference. Despite Rebaz' epicness, this is a bad matchup. I'd agree with 70-30, it isn't impossible, but we got nothing. I find U-tilts and N-airs great for spacing, and RB can beat some more SH happy TLs. D-air chains are real easy on this guy, I would recommend sometimes a direct dash grab approach, or on SD happy ones, AC N-air grab approaches.

Bomber7 · Feb 18, 2009

CF's you cant really confirm all this is true until we get RJPunch in this thread to give his "final words"

lol im jkn. but yeah Falcon will get owned by spacing by a good TL player

Player-3 · Feb 18, 2009

Bomber7 said:
CF's you cant really confirm all this is true until we get RJPunch in this thread to give his "final words"

lol im jkn. but yeah Falcon will get owned by spacing by a good TL player

quite.

first post i made was sarcasm because some people on the cf boards get all
OH **** HE CAN THROW STUFF, ITS IMPOSSIBLE FISDAFHDKLABEWKALFDKLSAFNKDLSANFKLDSANFKLLANKFLDA
>_>

65:45 IMO tink isnt that bad to beat, of course if you ever see the current way i play falcon you guys will explode your heads going

what the hell, this guys insane..

so dont trust me..

Ayaz18 · Feb 18, 2009

idunno if you guys know a guy named Raidos but I play his Tink fairly frequently. He knocked out Niko at LBT.......and i knocked Raidos out at OiN4

just to give you guys an idea of skill. I don't want to get too in-depth but

Raidos likes to always have a bomb, and use airdodge Zair to space and the bomb to prevent me from running, it's pretty dumb, the only way around it is if you use your speed to rush a spacing Tink. However, I don't know if that's how most Tink's play, he does the usual Bair/Nair/Fair bullcrap with his boomerang ALWAYS out. But the key to Falcon winning is using his speed to rush Tink

still, Falcon has little on Tink

75:25

note that this comes from a well placing Falcon at major tournaments (you can review my scores on the tournament thread if your curious)

OniTheWolf · Feb 18, 2009

Cripple his manliness with your projectiles xD! Quickdraw and ZAir are your best friends. I believe C.Falcon is prone to BAir chains.? Anyways, Your best killing options are ZAir to kill move follow ups (Ftilt, NAir, USmash, in some situations FSmash), grinding up damage and killing him with a simple NAir or FAir, or against those players who use side B to recover....punish them with DAir! Against those rollers, use Utilt or Up B

If you are fighting a less-experianced Captain Jay Dougla Falcon user, you can get away with a simple FSmash at high percents. However, SHDA, ZAir, Nair, Up B, Quickdraw, Boomerangs, and BAir chains are a must!

VietGeek · Feb 18, 2009

I'm amazed no one has said this yet.

Simply remind the Falcon player that they're playing Brawl. They'll get up and leave to play Melee.

You win by default.

100:0 Toon Link. Best of show.

Anyway...I guess that's it. ._.

Bomber7 · Feb 18, 2009

o wow. pownage. lol. that was clever VG.

OniTheWolf · Feb 18, 2009

VietGeek said:
I'm amazed no one has said this yet.

Simply remind the Falcon player that they're playing Brawl. They'll get up and leave to play Melee.

You win by default.

100:0 Toon Link. Best of show.

Anyway...I guess that's it. ._.

Sorry C.F, No wavedash or hitstun for you :D

Skip2MaLoo · Feb 18, 2009

60-40
i always use falcon because he is teh sex and i like fighting little critters like tink :]
jab blocks projectiles except bombs which are pretty easy to dodge, jab grab works well as well as nair cancel jab grab, tilts work well in this match up.

t3h n00b · Feb 18, 2009

I usually try to get in front of toon link when I play him as Falcon. I think Falcon's bair comes out faster than TL's fair, I use it a lot in this matchup. And Falcon Dive ***** dair spamming if they aren't directly above you. But yeah bad matchup I agree with everyone else's numbers.

eRonin · Feb 19, 2009

copy pasted from what I posted on the other thread

Don't you guys know what Captain Falcon can do to young children...
OH WAIT this is a toon child, not a young child, so I guess Falcon can't do anything.

I dunno though, Toon Link's projectiles aren't as good as others (I think...) so Falcon might be able to hold out. In terms of close combat then, Captain Falcon seems to have more range but Toon Link's grab range is long-ish so that would probably be the main worry...

I would say Tlink 70-30 CF

Sosuke · Feb 19, 2009

Some Falcon mains should play me on Wifi so I can get a feel for the match up and write down my thoughts? ^__^;

(this should become a regular thing)

Skip2MaLoo · Feb 19, 2009

Uh, I detest playing on wifi, because i kill myself more than anything (input lag)
as long as you dont count the sd's i guess i can.

TLMarth · Feb 19, 2009

t3h n00b said:
I usually try to get in front of toon link when I play him as Falcon. I think Falcon's bair comes out faster than TL's fair, I use it a lot in this matchup. And Falcon Dive ***** dair spamming if they aren't directly above you. But yeah bad matchup I agree with everyone else's numbers.

For in front of us we use nair

SmashBrother2008 · Feb 19, 2009

VietGeek said:
I'm amazed no one has said this yet.

Simply remind the Falcon player that they're playing Brawl. They'll get up and leave to play Melee.

You win by default.

100:0 Toon Link. Best of show.

Anyway...I guess that's it. ._.

...or wait another 4 years for a new, balanced version of Smash Bros. :laugh:

*sigh* ...four years...

t3h n00b · Feb 19, 2009

TLMarth said:
For in front of us we use nair

I will admit that the TLs I play aren't great lol. But doesn't Falcon's bair outrange TL's nair even with its disjointedness? Or at least equal I think.

SmashBrother2008 said:
...or wait another 4 years for a new, ~~balanced~~ profitable version of Smash Bros.

*sigh* ...four years...

Sakurai'ed

Tiersr4Queers · Mar 3, 2009

sasukebowser said:
I came into this thread thinking it was Melee CF and I'm like "No, were ****ed!".
Then I remembered it was Brawl and calmed down.

As far as match up.... >_<

You can Dair at the edge to spike him as he is trying to recover sometimes because Falcon's Up-B doesn't sweetspot the edge from certain angles.

Spammmm.

Umm.
Zairrrrrr.

Uhh.

NAIR QUICK DRAW HELL YEAH.

._.

I scared to give anything in detail because I'm a nub and have no experience at this game. =3

ugh, YOU DO Have experience quit being so negative

Tiersr4Queers · Mar 3, 2009

:\ TL ***** C falcon
Gimp.
Spike, by edge
All our projectiles stops him frm approaching us.
Zair! Our buddy bax him away.
End of Story

t3h n00b · Mar 3, 2009

Good points... only thing is, wouldn't TL **** melee Falcon with that logic? -_-

Sosuke · Mar 3, 2009

Um, no?
wtf

t3h n00b · Mar 3, 2009

Zair bax him away? Obviously projectiles and zair are advantages, but I couldn't find anything helpful in that post.

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