Pivot Glide Tossing + JC Glide Toss

Kaptain Kong · Feb 20, 2009

hey fellow diddy mains,

here are some helpful "glide tosses" that you can do while running (you can jc while standing still, too)

JC Glide Toss

i found that jump canceling a running throw slides slightly farther than a glide toss, and you can even do it from a stand still and throw in any direction you want.

How To:

pick up banana
start running
quarter circle/tap up from the run
immediately press a cstick direction for the throw

Note: you dont need tap jump on, i think that its the crouching animation after the run that you can cancel with a throw, but still get the slide, not canceling a jump. hitting up keeps more momentum then returning to neutral, so dont do that version.

Pivot Glide Toss

I dont know if any of you have heard of this before, but i was messing around in training mode, and i found that you can get a glide toss effect if you throw the naner at the right time after you pivot

Variations:

Forward Slide (in the direction you initially ran)
Backward Slide (in the opposite direction you initially ran)

How To:

Forward Slide -

pick up banana
run
while running, return control stick to neutral position
then hit a cstick direction

Backward Slide -

pick up banana
run (past initial dash animation)
pivot
when hes just past turning around, hit a cstick direction

Note: both variations should look exactly like a normal glide toss animation

you can also vary how far you slide, so you can mix it up more (at most, its the same distance as a normal glide toss)

both versions of the pivot glide toss are about as quick as a normal glide toss from a run, so they are just as useful in the situations where you would do a running glide toss

tell me what you guys think and some strategies that could go with it

DFEAR · Feb 20, 2009

im gonna go try it right now and see the possible followups give me a few.

so just run with nana pivot and c-stick?

edit:
alright did it but instead of c-stick i used my grab button (x) and it came out much easier for me O-o but hell its pretty nifty u do slide as much as the glide toss and whats good about this tech is the following.

opponent is standing in front of u. under normal circumstances he does not know u will do this tech so you attempt to pivot toss. you run past him turn and pivot toss and trip him. once tripped he has literally cutted options. if he rolls behind he will be tripped by banana if he rolls forward that gives us a free tech chase grab/move and if he stands up and does an attack we can easily punish that. its nifty but it hurtd my controller to do it o-o and i think i tripped by myself like a good 15 times before getting the timing right. i like this tech but dunno if the high risk is worth the reward o-o

edit # 2

found it even easier to pivot glide toss when

u dash at your opponent and as you are behind him release the control stick to neutral position and c-stick it :3 works just as good

edit # 3
practicing with it more
a good "mind game" would be to dash at your opponent but instead of dashing at him you dash the other way and pivot glide toss the nana at him :3. This tech does kinda make me wanna mix up between glide tossing and such it literally made me glide toss less but glide toss is still **** o-o. but this tech is good but chance of tripping hurts so hard
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Coyn3Masta · Feb 21, 2009

DFEAR said:
this tech is good but chance of tripping hurts so hard
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lol curse you sakurai, tripping the tripping char... =(

Kaptain Kong · Feb 21, 2009

DFEAR said:
im gonna go try it right now and see the possible followups give me a few.

so just run with nana pivot and c-stick?

edit:
alright did it but instead of c-stick i used my grab button (x) and it came out much easier for me O-o but hell its pretty nifty u do slide as much as the glide toss and whats good about this tech is the following.

opponent is standing in front of u. under normal circumstances he does not know u will do this tech so you attempt to pivot toss. you run past him turn and pivot toss and trip him. once tripped he has literally cutted options. if he rolls behind he will be tripped by banana if he rolls forward that gives us a free tech chase grab/move and if he stands up and does an attack we can easily punish that. its nifty but it hurtd my controller to do it o-o and i think i tripped by myself like a good 15 times before getting the timing right. i like this tech but dunno if the high risk is worth the reward o-o

edit # 2

found it even easier to pivot glide toss when

u dash at your opponent and as you are behind him release the control stick to neutral position and c-stick it :3 works just as good

edit # 3
practicing with it more
a good "mind game" would be to dash at your opponent but instead of dashing at him you dash the other way and pivot glide toss the nana at him :3. This tech does kinda make me wanna mix up between glide tossing and such it literally made me glide toss less but glide toss is still **** o-o. but this tech is good but chance of tripping hurts so hard
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thanks for the positive feedback!

i like the mind games that could go with tech
ill try it against some real players to see how well it works

Player-1 · Feb 21, 2009

I'm not sure about that dash attack one, I'm either not doing it right or it doesn't work, but I like the pivot glide tossing, this will help a lot because a lot of my set ups don't work because there wasn't pivot glide tossing, but now there is =)

DFEAR · Feb 21, 2009

Player-1 said:
I'm not sure about that dash attack one, I'm either not doing it right or it doesn't work, but I like the pivot glide tossing, this will help a lot because a lot of my set ups don't work because there wasn't pivot glide tossing, but now there is =)

scenario example

? so we can see its other uses cuase i cant think of much with this tech besides tech chasing with a nana in my hand o-o.

saberhof · Feb 21, 2009

this sounds sexy...:O!!!

i am going to try it tomorrow and i will give some feedback =)

Crystanium · Feb 22, 2009

There might be another way of doing this. Run away from your opponent, and then perform the glide toss. Instead of glide tossing forward, reverse it so you throw it back at your opponent. You get the same momentum as a regular glide toss.

DFEAR · Feb 22, 2009

Dryn said:
There might be another way of doing this. Run away from your opponent, and then perform the glide toss. Instead of glide tossing forward, reverse it so you throw it back at your opponent. You get the same momentum as a regular glide toss.

thats already known. o-o this pivot toss just makes what u just said much more easier on us. :3

Crystanium · Feb 22, 2009

DFEAR said:
thats already known. o-o this pivot toss just makes what u just said much more easier on us. :3

Maybe. I don't know, I guess I just like the technical feel, if that makes any sense.

Bellioes · Feb 22, 2009

Could someone explain the differences between using the pivot throw and just glidetossing forward to throw backwards.
I dont see a difference really and Im not understanding what makes this technique better

EDIT:

Kaptain Kong said:
edit 2: both versions of the pivot glide toss are about as quick as a normal glide toss from a run, so they are just as useful in the situations where you would do a running glide toss

If theres no difference why would we use this when we could use glidetossing where we have no chance of tripping
I dont mean to say this techniques isnt good, Im just trying to understand what makes it good

DFEAR · Feb 22, 2009

its just like if you need to run and space yourself and u have no time to walk away shield and roll you can just dash away and c-stick that banana at ur opponents face. its a situational skill but regardless its just a move that broadens our tech usages :3

Diddyknight · Feb 22, 2009

Ive known tihs forever...thought the other diddys knew it T_T
to me anyway...."old" xD

its just to catch people offgard at times if they catch on to your glide tossing pattern

Bellioes · Feb 22, 2009

I can do the one in the same direction while in a full run but not the turn around one

Do we do the slow pivot(the one where your in a full run) or the fast one (the one where you turn around at the very beginning of your dash animation) cause I cant get the turn around pivot glide toss to work. Ive been trying to do it with the slow pivot. I run until about the middle of FD, turn around, and spam the A button. All that happens is he does the slow pivot, then he just does a standing throw. Am I messing up the timing or what.

Thanks in advance

Diddyknight · Feb 22, 2009

you can do it at the begining of the dash animation.... have fun pivoting xDDD

zyzzx · Feb 22, 2009

I'm still confused about what this is. You do it during the initial dash animation right? And is it the thing where diddy kind of lurches forward after dashing to throw the banana?

Kaptain Kong · Feb 22, 2009

its not during the initial dash, its when youre running and you turn around/return control stick to neutral and cstick it

and no, its exactly like glide tossing, but from a run

DFEAR · Feb 22, 2009

Kaptain Kong said:
its not during the initial dash, its when youre running and you turn around/return control stick to neutral and cstick it

and no, its exactly like glide tossing, but from a run

yay my method is useful

but seriously having the ability to glide toss without shield is remarkable =3

awful · Feb 22, 2009

does anyone have video of this technique?

Bellioes · Feb 22, 2009

Kaptain Kong said:
its not during the initial dash, its when youre running and you turn around/return control stick to neutral and cstick it

and no, its exactly like glide tossing, but from a run

OK so its the slow pivot
Im doing the forward one right but the backwards one a just cant seem to do it
Whats the timing cause even when I spam A after turning, I dont slide at all
I just turn around then do a standing throw with no slide so I know Im not doing it right
Someone please help

EDIT: I got it. It was DFEARs method that helped me.

While running, return the stick to neutral and throw in what ever direction with the C-Stick. You should slide in the direction you were running while throwing (Looks just like a glidetoss)

And I think I know why this happens. When you run with diddy and then return the stick to neutral, diddy sortve slides forward while crouching
If you throw a banana during the beginning (or even right when it starts) of the slide, the momentum transfers to the throw and you get the same effects of glidetossing without the shield. It takes a while to get used to the timing but it makes spacing bananas while running alot easier.

Hope this helped ^_^

Kaptain Kong · Feb 22, 2009

i updated the op, sorry for the confusion
hopefully its more clear now

ill try to get vids up soon if i have time

zyzzx · Feb 22, 2009

Yeah that's much more clear now, thanks.

I'll start playing around with this.

Kaptain Kong · Feb 27, 2009

found something "new"
tell me what you guys think

DFEAR · Feb 27, 2009

tested the JC Glide Toss and its cool but id much rather pivot toss/glide toss/ air toss :\. i dunno i cant find anything i can do well with this yet o-o some halp?

Commander_Beef · Feb 27, 2009

Diddy Kong is eventually going to be top tier lol. There are many of them.

DFEAR · Feb 27, 2009

all i really want to find out about diddy is how to glide his attacks instead of throws o-o. i want our own mortar slide xD

Kaptain Kong · Feb 27, 2009

yeah, that would be nice
sliding dtilt would be great lol

The Sauce Boss · Feb 27, 2009

Kaptain Kong said:
found something "new"
tell me what you guys think

JC tosses have been in brawl for a long time, so I wouldn't really call it "new"

. It could have kind of been assumed you could do it with naners.

How exactly did you determine it is farther than a glide toss? To me it looks exactly the same if not shorter, especially on the backwards one.

zyzzx · Feb 28, 2009

Yeah I've seen jump cancelled tosses floating around for a long while, was under the impression there was something that made a normal glide toss better tho, so I never bothered to learn it. You have to have tap jump on tho? that's probably not worth it, for me at least.

DFEAR · Feb 28, 2009

zyzzx said:
Yeah I've seen jump cancelled tosses floating around for a long while, was under the impression there was something that made a normal glide toss better tho, so I never bothered to learn it. You have to have tap jump on tho? that's probably not worth it, for me at least.

cant uptilt/upsmash without jumping o.o? practice default controls mate.

Kaptain Kong · Feb 28, 2009

The Sauce Boss said:
JC tosses have been in brawl for a long time, so I wouldn't really call it "new". It could have kind of been assumed you could do it with naners.

How exactly did you determine it is farther than a glide toss? To me it looks exactly the same if not shorter, especially on the backwards one.

could you always slide in a different direction and throw in any direction?
i didnt know that you could, and also, thats why i put new in quotations

I tested on the wifi practice stage and threw from one of the lines in the ground, and jc went farther than the glide toss
it depends on when you jc it, you can change the distance you slide by timing it earlier or later

zyzzx · Feb 28, 2009

DFEAR said:
cant uptilt/upsmash without jumping o.o? practice default controls mate.

Why bother? Are there any advantages to having tap jump on with diddy besides JC throws?

Kaptain Kong · Feb 28, 2009

rocket barrel cancel oos, thats basically all
you can also do it by hitting jump then cstick if youre that quick...

Bellioes · Feb 28, 2009

Kaptain Kong said:
Backward Slide -

pick up banana

run (past initial dash animation)

pivot

when hes just past turning around, hit a cstick direction

I cant seem to do this one and to me it seems the most useful

Am I doing it wrong or what.
I run and then turn around while spamming A and I still cant get it to work.
Pleaze help

Kaptain Kong · Feb 28, 2009

have you used the cstick?
im not sure that hitting a works
also, timing is important for this, you have to press the cstick at the right time for it to work

Bellioes · Mar 1, 2009

Thank you so much. I finally got it. It seems to me that the UThrow and FThrow pivot glidetosses actually go further than the down throw PGT. And I cant seem to do the BThrow one though (Throwing the banana in the direction you slide) but I did find something interesting while trying to do it.

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istudying · Mar 1, 2009

Can you put up a video.

Kaptain Kong · Mar 1, 2009

ill try to get up a video, but i dont have a youtube account, so ill have to ask my brother

also, i found that you dont need tap jump on to do the jc glide toss, i think that its the crouching animation after the run that you can cancel with a throw, but still get the slide.

Bellioes · Mar 1, 2009

Kaptain Kong said:
ill try to get up a video, but i dont have a youtube account, so ill have to ask my brother

also, i found that you dont need tap jump on to do the jc glide toss, i think that its the crouching animation after the run that you can cancel with a throw, but still get the slide.

actually you do need tap jump on to the JC throw
The throw your talking about is the pivot glidetoss forward (run and return stick to neutral, then throw)

Kaptain Kong · Mar 1, 2009

yeah, but i was able to do the "jc" throw without tap jump on.
idk, maybe it was actually on, ill try right now

edit: im 100% sure i was able to do it with out tap jump on
i also tryed it with down and it works, it should be more like dash cancel glide toss

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