Yeah, The Toon Link boards are discussing the Toon Link match-up.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=223226
Thanks in advance.
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Yeah, The Toon Link boards are discussing the Toon Link match-up.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=223226
Thanks in advance.
Shadow Moth
Up in the clouds
I ROFLOLMFAO'd at that so hard! XD
Iunno. The only thing to do really is know TL so you can predict what else is about to hit you upside the face.
IMO the best CP would be Smashville.
Iunno. The only thing to do really is know TL so you can predict what else is about to hit you upside the face.
IMO the best CP would be Smashville.
Minish Blade
Smash Cadet
Lawls at lol thread.
Shadow Moth
Up in the clouds
IMO it's 100-0 Toon Link. Auto win.
Srsly, you would have to play without a jump button for TL to lose this one.
Srsly, you would have to play without a jump button for TL to lose this one.
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
Wow this thread has made me lol so hard. Viet thax for this thread. and liek sasukesaid just throw more **** than the other guy. ^_^
copacetic
Smash Journeyman
IMO TL has a slight advantage here, 45-55 or maybe 40-60.
He can set up a fairly good wall of projectiles, and his d-air can spike our up-b pretty easily, plus his tether will force us to recover with up-b. He can attack our blind spot with a well spaced n-air, and his u-air beats our d-air.
Pirate ship is the only acceptable stage for this matchup
He can set up a fairly good wall of projectiles, and his d-air can spike our up-b pretty easily, plus his tether will force us to recover with up-b. He can attack our blind spot with a well spaced n-air, and his u-air beats our d-air.
Pirate ship is the only acceptable stage for this matchup
Shadow Moth
Up in the clouds
What? no way.
TL has the complete advantage here. Even if you throw more **** than the other guy, TL is still going to win.
Think about it for a bit.
TL has the complete advantage here. Even if you throw more **** than the other guy, TL is still going to win.
Think about it for a bit.
atta ck
Shadow Moth
Up in the clouds
how the hell do you do that? How do you type a message under 10 characters?
Your reward for telling me is you get to make fun of me for being a n00b.
Your reward for telling me is you get to make fun of me for being a n00b.
Shadow Moth
Up in the clouds
now you're making fun of me.
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
Dont worry I have the same problem moth maybe it has to do with post count. I cant post without having at least 10 chars too.
❀W.E.M.P.❀
Mote Of Dust
this makes me sad because i fail so hard at dittos for any character 
CP MK
insta-win
lol
CP MK
insta-win
lol
Shadow Moth
Up in the clouds
Wut?
CP TL. I'm tellin' ya, insta-auto-win for TL.
CP TL. I'm tellin' ya, insta-auto-win for TL.
urdailywater
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as long as you do this I really don't see a problem myself.
FORWARD MY MINIONS.
Throw more than the other guy.
Unplug the other guys controller also helps.
Seriously, it's difficult. Just be better.
It's definetly in TL's favor though.
iRjOn
Smash Lord
XD VG I seriously was thinking wow he posted on the wrong boards.
XD
I was gonna come and fire you up but you mind gamed me
XP
XD
I was gonna come and fire you up but you mind gamed me
XP
Shadow Moth
Up in the clouds
I knew from the beginning this was real.
n00bs >_>
n00bs >_>
Sosuke
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Guys this is serious business.
Stop messing around.
If the TL takes a bomb out, you should do the same. He will be at an advantage with a projectile ready to be throw.
Also, its very good to throw boomerangs to get past the spam. This can only be countered by him throwing a boomerang... so you might have to worry about that.
You obviously have the advantage with SHDA (unless he can SHDA), so abuse it (or don't, if he can do it).
Stop messing around.
If the TL takes a bomb out, you should do the same. He will be at an advantage with a projectile ready to be throw.
Also, its very good to throw boomerangs to get past the spam. This can only be countered by him throwing a boomerang... so you might have to worry about that.
You obviously have the advantage with SHDA (unless he can SHDA), so abuse it (or don't, if he can do it).
Shadow Moth
Up in the clouds
If someone can give me a scenario where TL is not the winner, then I'll concede that it's not 100-0 TL. . . . .
It'll be 95-5 TL
It'll be 95-5 TL
Disfunkshunal
Manners Maketh Man
the best bomber wins in this match
Be aware that your Hero's Shield blocks all the projectiles, as well as bounces bombs for you to catch. No lag as well so yeah...maybe it's useful.
Throw more sh*t than the other person...or...
You can offensively throw more sh*t, harass TL for thinking you're his b*tch and attack, knock him offstage and further harass him and rack up all the dumb damage you want.
Alternatively both TLs can ledgecamp both ledges.
Hardest match-up in the game obviously.
Throw more sh*t than the other person...or...
You can offensively throw more sh*t, harass TL for thinking you're his b*tch and attack, knock him offstage and further harass him and rack up all the dumb damage you want.
Alternatively both TLs can ledgecamp both ledges.
Hardest match-up in the game obviously.
Sosuke
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Its true that it bounces off his shield, but he can take advantage of this time by pulling out a fresh bomb of his own, while you have one that is about to explode and that you need to throw right away (if you choose to catch it).
Orrr mindgame him.
Bait the bomb pull. Run toward him, short hop, fast fall, and then Fsmash him as he pulls a bomb.
Lobos
Smash Master
I remember when I played santi, we had the exact same moves for the first 15 seconds lol
~Infinity~
Smash Champion
If you around the stage real fast, tlink becomes really hard to hit. Best mind game ever!
Kinzer
Mammy
Am I right to say that this matchup is likely to end with the timer going out?
I hate ditto matches, you can't explain them.
I hate ditto matches, you can't explain them.
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
TL dittos are about who is more patient
camping well, spacing your Z-air, it comes down to who makes the first mistake and who gets punished for it.
TL dittos make babies cry and bring grown man to there knees, they are boring to watch and even worse to play.......
camping well, spacing your Z-air, it comes down to who makes the first mistake and who gets punished for it.
TL dittos make babies cry and bring grown man to there knees, they are boring to watch and even worse to play.......
~Infinity~
Smash Champion
TL dittos always ends in clashes. Not what i look foward too...
TLMarth
Smash Ace
OK guys it's serious. The trick to dittos is finding out what to do when the situation is not equal/neutral. So if the opponent TL is below you, what do you do? If the opponent TL spams, how do you deal with that spam? How do you spam better?
Just pretend you're playing as another character. Then you'll find it easier to be discussing match ups, since you can see that there are strategies to be getting around.
Just because it's a ditto, doesn't mean there's nothing to discuss.
Lol VG has mindgames
Just pretend you're playing as another character. Then you'll find it easier to be discussing match ups, since you can see that there are strategies to be getting around.
Just because it's a ditto, doesn't mean there's nothing to discuss.
Lol VG has mindgames
I'll throw something out here. Unfortunately the picture didn't turn out as accurate as it should be, ignore the comments and take red as slight blindspots and green as clear, w/e
*Yes Viet made it in like 5 minutes*
TL has a few blindspots when it comes to him and his Master Sword alone in these areas -
As you know, nair and bair cover approximately where the green areas indicate. Unless an attack already outranges those areas, TL can defend his front and back to upper-back pretty well.
Vertically, he's only in SLIGHT danger as Uair is a powerful sex kick like attack, but it takes a few frames to come out, but there is vlunerability, albeit very little.
Below him is probably his most legitimate weakness, his dair and bombs can cover it alright, but his dair is risky due to lag and how it warns the foe beforehand. Bombs can be caught while a foe performs an aerial and whatnot. While not as helpless as Marth in these regards, it's a slight weakness.
Now his upper and lower front is another blindspot. Only a boomerang (laggy) or fair (laggy and only covers the area by a slim amount). He really can't do much if an opponent attacks around this area except airdodge, jump, something not quite counterattack-able.
I say this as a TL can wait on the ground and say use Usmash as the other TL use retreating nair. There is a small window where the other TL can run in as TL A does nair but before arrow cancel or jump, can Hyphen smash inside.
Eh, this probably didn't help too much. I think I went off crazy town and took the wrong turn when I thought this up. <_<
TL;DR - Barlw dittos are dumb.
*Yes Viet made it in like 5 minutes*
TL has a few blindspots when it comes to him and his Master Sword alone in these areas -
As you know, nair and bair cover approximately where the green areas indicate. Unless an attack already outranges those areas, TL can defend his front and back to upper-back pretty well.
Vertically, he's only in SLIGHT danger as Uair is a powerful sex kick like attack, but it takes a few frames to come out, but there is vlunerability, albeit very little.
Below him is probably his most legitimate weakness, his dair and bombs can cover it alright, but his dair is risky due to lag and how it warns the foe beforehand. Bombs can be caught while a foe performs an aerial and whatnot. While not as helpless as Marth in these regards, it's a slight weakness.
Now his upper and lower front is another blindspot. Only a boomerang (laggy) or fair (laggy and only covers the area by a slim amount). He really can't do much if an opponent attacks around this area except airdodge, jump, something not quite counterattack-able.
I say this as a TL can wait on the ground and say use Usmash as the other TL use retreating nair. There is a small window where the other TL can run in as TL A does nair but before arrow cancel or jump, can Hyphen smash inside.
Eh, this probably didn't help too much. I think I went off crazy town and took the wrong turn when I thought this up. <_<
TL;DR - Barlw dittos are dumb.
With bombs maybe, but they could catch it, or if you iBomb, they catch it then Shuttle Loo...
wait what?
I'm kinda...out of it. <_<
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
Ok...viet so according to that picture which imo is very good and detailed ^_^ in tink dittos whoever is below and to any of the sides wins the aerial war. TO contribute stuff:
* zair outranges his sword.
* the grounded, patient, better spacer and better proyectile user wins this.
* zair outranges his sword.
* the grounded, patient, better spacer and better proyectile user wins this.
Yeah since TL is short and oddly enough TL is pretty bad at hitting short characters (T_T), the one on the ground can retaliate better. Which is dumb since you know...TL's ground game isn't exactly exciting.
Not to say that you should always be on the ground, but you know, there's a time and place for everything. TL's best asset is still his air game.
Not to say that you should always be on the ground, but you know, there's a time and place for everything. TL's best asset is still his air game.
TLMarth
Smash Ace
Bombs and dair only go straight down -_-
Well does our Uair beat our dair?
If we're in front of and slightly below the opponent while in the air, both facing forwards, then we have the advantage with teh bair
Short characters: not realllly that much of a problem according to me
Short hop isn't that high or fast, and we have pretty quick aerials (nair)
Nair, Zair, bombs are pretty good
I guess boomerangs and arrows don't work as well......
but still, TL has some options
Well does our Uair beat our dair?
If we're in front of and slightly below the opponent while in the air, both facing forwards, then we have the advantage with teh bair
Short characters: not realllly that much of a problem according to me
Short hop isn't that high or fast, and we have pretty quick aerials (nair)
Nair, Zair, bombs are pretty good
I guess boomerangs and arrows don't work as well......
but still, TL has some options
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
Yup the short thing isnt so bad imo. I usually dont have THAT much trouble hitting them. Tho it is harder to hit them than with marth.
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