The Official Olimar Fram Data Thread

So... we finally have it.

I got this data using a homebrew hack that allows me to slow the game down frame by frame. Technically this thread is incomplete, as a bit of the information I havent gotten yet (such as how long hitboxes on some attacks last for.) but mostly everything important has been done.

:D


alright, on to the frame data:

Jab
First hit on: 4
Second hit on: 13
Ends on: 29

Held Jab
First hit: 4
Second hit: 13
Third hit: 21
Ends on: 35

Dash Attack
First hit on: 8
Second hit on: 16
Ends on: 45
(Ends on 34 if the attack misses)

Forward Tilt
Hits on: 9
Ends on: 37

Down Tilt
Hits on: 6
Ends on: 29

Up Tilt
First hit on: 6
Second hit on: 12
Third hit on: 18
Fourth hit on: 24
Fifth hit on: 30
Sixth hit on: 36
Seventh hit on: 42
Eighth hit on: 48
Ends on: 72
(Ends on 39 if the attack misses)

Forward Smash
Hits on: 11
Pikmin's hitbox lasts till: 47
Ends on: 39
Can charge until: 68

Up Smash
Hits on: 8
Endson: 32
Can charge until: 68

Down Smash
Hits on: 10
Ends on: 38
Can charge until: 68

Neutral Air
First hit on: 7
Second hit on: 14
Third hit on: 21
Fourth hit on: 28
Fifth hit on: 35
Sixth hit on: 42
Landing Lag: 16
Ends on: 66
(Ends on 41 if the attack misses)

Forward Air
Hits on: 7
Ends on: 42
Landing Lag: 15

Back Air
Hits on: 10
Ends on: 48
Landing Lag: 15

Up Air (Red/Blue/Purple)
First hit on: 8
Second hit on: 15
Third hit on: 22
Fourth hit on: 29
Fifth hit on: 36
Sixth hit on: 43
Seventh hit on: 50
Landing Lag: 30
Ends on: 70
(Ends on 34 if attack misses)

Up Air (Yellow/White)
First hit on: 8
Second hit on: 14
Third hit on: 20
Fourth hit on: 26
Fifth hit on: 32
Sixth hit on: 38
Seventh hit on: 44
Landing Lag: 30
Ends on: 64
(Ends on 34 if attack misses)

Down Air
Hits on: 9
Hitbox Ends on: 16
Ends on: 51
Landing Lag 30

Grab
Grabs on: 11
Hit box ends on: 25
Ends on: 29

Pummle
Hits on: 10

Forward Throw
Hits on: 4
Ends on: 31

Back Throw
Hits on: 7
Ends on: 35

Down Throw
Hits on: 15
Ends on: 35

Up Throw
Hits on: 27
Ends on: 41

Pluck
Plucks Pikmin on: 3
Ends on: 9
(Lasts until 13 on cave terrain)

Latch
Hits on: 9
Ends on: 25
-Pikmin stays latched for 260 frames after latched, decreasing by one frame for each percentage of damage on the opponent, with a minimum of 60 frames. The pikmin deals a latch hit every 30 frames.

Whistle
Super Armor starts on: 2
Super Armor lasts through: 16
Ends on: 20

Pikmin Chain
Hits on: 12
Ends on: 70
(If used in the air, Olimar will flip upside down after 60 frames. After this there are 32 frames of landing lag the next time he hits the ground.)

Side Step
Invincibility begins on: 3
Invincibility Lasts through: 20
Ends on: 25

Forward Roll
Invincibility begins on: 3
Invincibility lasts through: 19
Ends on: 32

Backwards Roll
Invincibility begins on: 4
Invincibility lasts through: 19
Ends on: 32

Air Dodge
Invincibility begins on: 2
Invincibility lasts through: 30
Ends on: 39

Get Up
Invincibility begins on: 1
Invincibility lasts through: 22
Ends on: 29

Get Up Attack
First hit on: 15
Second hit on: 25
Invincibility begins on: 1
Invincibility lasts through: 29
Ends on: 55

Get Up Roll (Forward)
Invincibility begins on: 1
Invincibility lasts through: 22
Ends on: 35

Get Up Roll (Bakwards)
Invincibility begins on: 1
Invincibility lasts through: 23
Ends on: 35

Ledge Attack
Hits on: 17
Ends on: 55

Slow Ledge Attack
Hits on: 39
Ends on: 69

Jump
In air on: 7
Landing Lag: 2

**sigh** that's it...
I probably ended up missing something, but owell. I'll work more on this later.
i may add color or something to it later on as well... i dunno

Woah beast air dodge. Also didn't know whistle had so many saf.

Hilt, this is all very nice and helpful at the same time. Did you see DanGr's chart? Its rather interesting too

Fino said:

O_O!
Smells like broken ;D
<33


~Fino

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um.. yeah i just fixed it lol

wow good ****!
this is cool
what's his invincbility frames on his ledge get up?

<3 Hilt
This rocks.

The most interesting thing I saw was that fair has 30 frames of landing lag whereas bair has only 15 and nair has 16! Instead of using falling nairs all the time, could we use falling bairs as well?

edit: of course, nair provides better shield pressure, but falling bairs could be used to space more against the characters with great options out of shield on their backside- such as Rob.

Huh.. thats very interesting

the fact that you did all of this ... hilt=amazing (no homo) lolz

and whts a held jab?

question about fair and dair landing lag.... is your landing lag for dair for when u land before the dair animation is done? becuase i was pretty sure that incomplete dair has more landing lag then a incomplete fair

Pyronic_Star said:

the fact that you did all of this ... hilt=amazing (no homo) lolz

and whts a held jab?

question about fair and dair landing lag.... is your landing lag for dair for when u land before the dair animation is done? becuase i was pretty sure that incomplete dair has more landing lag then a incomplete fair

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i wasnt sure what to call it... a held jab is basically when you hold the button down for jab and olimar automatically does the next hit. It's actually faster to press the button twice >.>

yeah, the landing lag for fair/dair is if you land in the middle of the attack, before the animation ends. I may recheck them though, i could have messed up lol.

yea, fair has less lag then uair/dair.... i would think fair has around 16-20 frames of landing lag... but thats just a guess

hahahaha

yeah i messed up =(

gonna go over everything else to make sure i didnt make any other mistakes

This is awesome O_O

Always wondered why I dodged things so well in the air.

thanks hilt for re checking things, i'm suprised no one else noticed lolz

nice job hilt, you better bet i will be studying this

capemkills said:

nice job hilt, you better bet i will be studying this

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ewww no, LEAVE NOW.

i dont like capem studying this.

lols aj, i got a warning for this post... xD

I know this is an old topic, but what does "held jab" mean?

and this stuff is still accurate right?

I'm actually taking time to learn frame data now lol

oh wow you hella answered that earlier, sorry

But while I'm here

I'm looking at this mainly to see what Olimar can do OoS, like when marth fairs his shield or something

If Marth spaces right is there anything we can do 0_o

sweet

another question on Olimar's jab

lately people have been consistently powershielding the second hit, making my life really hard because I used to rely heavily on jab when people got inside my camp

If I time it, can they still powershield it, or do I have to just hope they don't react in time?

FORWARD TILT

is godly.



Jab1 + ftilt. It works ;o

But jab is 2 frames faster lol

jab+ftilt? lol... I'd prefer jab-grab, if the opponent is consistently shielding the nd hit.

Latch
Hits on: 9
Ends on: 25
-Pikmin stays latched for 260 frames after latched, decreasing by one frame for each percentage of damage on the opponent, with a minimum of 60 frames. The pikmin deals a latch hit every 30 frames.

This doesn't make much sense to me. Do you mean minimum of 60%? Maximum of 60 frames? >>

RichBrown said:

But jab is 2 frames faster lol

jab+ftilt? lol... I'd prefer jab-grab, if the opponent is consistently shielding the nd hit.

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It's a mind game, they think you're going to do the second jab so they hold their shield... and all of a sudden olimar does this weird animation that no one has seen before, it hits like every time... i swear, the shield always comes down in time for ftilt @.@
lulz

haha I'm gonna have to try that, I get really panicky when people get close to me and I spam jab or roll. My camp game ***** but once they get inside I freeze =(

(I've posted in 3 topics in about 5 minutes... RichBrown, the new Llumys? >.<)

Oh, instead of ftilt, why not usmash? Frame faster, good for KOs. Might not be a bad setup against smart players who know to powershield the 2nd hit

If they don't powershield the 2nd hit though and I know they aren't going to then I'm just gonna keep jabbing

holy ***** I need to learn how to play up close

WTF YOU CAN'T SAY DI CKS

THATS ****ING BULL**** WHAT THE ****

They don't necessarily need to powershield the second jab. Some characters can even jab you before you can do anything.

just dtilt, uptilt, or ftilt...please, otherwise M2K will punch a kitten every time your jab is interrupted/ shielded

dabuz said:

just dtilt, uptilt, or ftilt...please, otherwise M2K will punch a kitten every time your jab is interrupted/ shielded

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dabuz said:

just dtilt, uptilt, or ftilt...please, otherwise M2K will punch a kitten

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dabuz said:

uptilt, or ftilt...please, otherwise M2K will punch a kitten

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dabuz said:

ftilt...please, otherwise M2K will punch a kitten

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dabuz said:

ftilt

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AWWWW YEAHH!!!!! >=D

inb4infraction... also consider nair as an option if they're close. Remember the bubble PSA for nair? the hitbox to the side of olimar is pretty decent ;o

I think I play this game entirely wrong lol

How in the world do I even win

Meh I think I just have an entirely different approach to this game, and I only recently really started taking in advice from other people. So I do some **** stuff that no one else thinks of, but I get ***** by basic ****.

Yeah, the best close range options are shorthop nair and probably dtilt or ftilt. Jab is only useful when you hit them while they're in the air. Then it's pretty **** good.

Draconoa44 said:

Yeah, the best close range options are shorthop nair and probably dtilt or ftilt. Jab is only useful when you hit them while they're in the air. Then it's pretty **** good.

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Draconoa44 said:

Yeah, the best close range options are shorthop nair and probably dtilt or ftilt.

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Draconoa44 said:

Yeah, the best close range options are probably dtilt or ftilt.

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Draconoa44 said:

ftilt

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Draconoa44 said:

ftilt. it's pretty **** good.

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AWWWW YEAAAHHH!!! >=D

inb4infraction: Rich, you should hit me up on aim... so we can talk oli... and win more ;o

if a character is up close and personal with u, go for the Usmash, I do that to falco a lot as it comboes well from low percents. Jab's give off a lot of Damage. iunno why Fino was home for Ftilt (<3 Fino) but it has unrespectable ending lag, worse than jab >.>

why isnt this stickied?

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