Stale Move Deterioration For Link [REBOOT! Gettin' Xyro'fied]

This section will detail the properties of Link's stale move deterioration. I have started it off using sweet spotted attacks, and will I add sour spotted versions of attacks if possible. Many of Link's attacks have several hitboxes, and so you will see every respective hit with a percentage of its own. If you wish to find out the overall percentage dealt of a move, simply add the values up which are grouped together by hyphens. Any corrections in the data, grammar, layout, and terminology are appreciated and welcome, lets get this as accurate as possible!

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:How To Read:

Move : Hitbox Number : Consecutive Hit Number = Percent

Move: This section tells you what move the attack is.

Hitbox Number: Tells you what hitbox number of the move is being shown. [Ex: "1" means the first hitbox of the attack]

Consecutive Hit Number: The number of instances of this move in the stale-move ticker before the attack. [Fresh is the first time use, but is counted as 0]

Percent: The damage dealt from the move/hit. You will notice the percent furthest left is a pale green, while the one furthest right is the same. This shows what the move decays down to.

Astericks: Moves that have been Xyro'fied. (or are for sure legit)
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-Jabs-

Jab : 1 : Fresh : 4% /// 1 : 3% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 2% /// 4 : 2% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

Jab : 2 : Fresh : 3% /// 1 : 2% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 1% /// 4 : 1% /// 5 : 1% /// 6 : 1% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

Jab : 3 : Fresh : 5% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 3% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%

-Fully Charged Smashes-

F-Smash : 1 : Fresh : 22% /// 1 : 23% /// 2 : 21% /// 3 : 19% /// 4 : 17% /// 5 : 16% /// 6 : 14% /// 7 : 14% /// 8 : 13%

F-Smash : 2 : Fresh : 28% /// 1 : 31% /// 2 : 28% /// 3 : 25% /// 4 : 23% /// 5 : 21% /// 6 : 19% /// 7 : 18% /// 8 : 18%
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U-Smash : 1 : Fresh : 5% /// 1 : 5% /// 2 : 5% /// 3 : 4% /// 4 : 4% /// 5 : 3% /// 6 : 3% /// 7 : 3% /// 8 : 3%

U-Smash : 2 : Fresh : 4% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 4% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 3% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%

U-Smash : 3 : Fresh : 13% /// 1 : 14% /// 2 : 13% /// 3 : 12% /// 4 : 10% /// 5 : 10% /// 6 : 9% /// 7 : 8% /// 8 : 8%
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D-Smash : 1 : Fresh : 23% /// 1 : 26% /// 2 : 23% /// 3 : 21% /// 4 : 19% /// 5 : 17% /// 6 : 16% /// 7 : 15% /// 8 : 14%

D-Smash : 2 : Fresh : 23% /// 1 : 26% /// 2 : 23% /// 3 : 21% /// 4 : 19% /// 5 : 17% /// 6 : 16% /// 7 : 15% /// 8 : 14%

-Uncharged Smashes-

F-Smash : 1 : Fresh : 15.5% /// 1 : 14% /// 2 : 12 % /// 3 : 11% /// 4 : 10% /// 5 : 9% /// 6 : 8% /// 7 : 8% /// 8 : 7% ***

F-Smash : 2 : Fresh : 17.5% /// 1 : 16% /// 2 : 13% /// 3 : 13% /// 4 : 11% /// 5 : 10% /// 6 : 10% /// 7 : 8% /// 8 : 8% ***
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U-Smash : 1 : Fresh :

U-Smash : 2 : Fresh :

U-Smash : 3 : Fresh :
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D-Smash : 1 : Fresh :

D-Smash : 2 : Fresh :

-Tilts-

U-tilt : 1 : Fresh : 9% /// 1 : 7% /// 2 : 6% /// 3 : 5% /// 4 : 5% /// 6 : 4% /// 7 : 4% /// 8 : 4%
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F-tilt : 1 : Fresh : 13% /// 1 : 10% /// 2 : 9% /// 3 : 8% /// 4 : 7% /// 5 : 7% /// 6 : 6% /// 7 : 6% /// 8 : 5%
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D-Tilt : 1 : Fresh : 12% /// 1 : 9% /// 2 : 8% /// 3 : 7% /// 4 : 7% /// 5 : 6% /// 6 : 6% /// 7 : 5% /// 8 : 5%

-Aerials-

Nair : 1 : Fresh : 10% /// 1 : 8% /// 2 : 7% /// 3 : 6% /// 4 : 6% /// 5 : 5% /// 6 : 5 % /// 7 : 4% /// 8 : 4%
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Fair : 1: Fresh : 9% /// 1 : 7% /// 2 : 6% /// 3 : 5% /// 4 : 5% /// 5 : 4% /// 6 : 4% /// 7 : 4% /// 8 : 4%

Fair : 2 : Fresh : 12% /// 1 : 9% /// 2 : 8% /// 3 : 7% /// 4 : 7% /// 5 : 6% /// 6 : 6% /// 7 : 5% /// 8 : 5%
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Bair : 1 : Fresh : 4% /// 1 : 3% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 2% /// 4 : 2% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

Bair : 2 : Fresh : 7% /// 1 : 5% /// 2 : 5% /// 3 : 4% /// 4 : 4% /// 5 : 3% /// 6 : 3% /// 7 : 3% /// 8 : 3%
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Dair : 1 : Fresh : 22% /// 1 : 17% /// 2 : 16% /// 3 : 14% /// 4 : 13% /// 5 : 12% /// 6 : 11% /// 7 : 10% /// 8 : 10%

Dair : 2 : Fresh : 8% /// 1 : 6% /// 2 : 5% /// 3 : 5% /// 4 : 4% /// 5 : 4% /// 6 : 4% /// 7 : 3% /// 7 : 3%
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Uair : 1 : Fresh : 15% /// 1 : 12% /// 2 : 10% /// 3 : 9% /// 4 : 9% /// 5 : 8% /// 6 : 7% /// 7 : 7% /// 8 : 6%

-Special Attacks-

Arrow : 1 : Fresh : 12% /// 1 : 9% /// 2 : 8% /// 3 : 7% /// 4 : 7% /// 5 : 6% /// 6 : 6% /// 7 : 5% /// 8 : 5%
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Bomb : 1 : Fresh : 9% /// 1 : 7% /// 2 : 6% /// 3 : 5% /// 4 : 5% /// 5 : 4% /// 6 : 4% /// 7 : 4% /// 8 : 4%
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Gale Boomerang : 1 : Fresh : 7% /// 1 : 5% /// 2 : 5% /// 3 : 4% /// 4 : 4% /// 5 : 3% /// 6 : 3% /// 7 : 3% /// 8 : 3%
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Spin Attack : 1 : Fresh : 19% /// 1 : 15% /// 2 : 13% /// 3 : 12% /// 4 : 11% /// 5 : 10% /// 6 : 9% /// 7 : 9% /// 8 : 8%
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Recovery : 1 : Fresh : 4% /// 1 : 3% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 2% /// 4 : 2% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

Recovery : 2 : Fresh : 2% /// 1 : 1% /// 2 : 1% /// 3 : 1% /// 4 : 1% /// 5 : 1% /// 6 : 1% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

Recovery : 3 : Fresh : 2% /// 1 : 1% /// 2 : 1% /// 3 : 1% /// 4 : 1% /// 5 : 1% /// 6 : 1% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

Recovery : 4 : Fresh : 2% /// 1 : 1% /// 2 : 1% /// 3 : 1% /// 4 : 1% /// 5 : 1% /// 6 : 1% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

Recovery : 5 : Fresh : 4% /// 1 : 3% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 2% /// 4 : 2% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

-Dash-

Dash : 1 : Fresh : 12% /// 1 : 9% /// 2 : 8% /// 3 : 7% /// 4 : 7% /// 5 : 6% /// 6 : 6% /// 7 : 5% /// 8 : 5%

-Grabs-

F-Throw : 1 : Fresh : 3% /// 1 : 2% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 1% /// 4 : 1% /// 5 : 1% /// 6 : 1% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

F-Throw : 2 : Fresh : 4% /// 1 : 3% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 2% /// 4 : 2% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%
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B-Throw : 1 : Fresh : 3% /// 1 : 2% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 1% /// 4 : 1% /// 5 : 1% /// 6 : 1% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

B-Trow : 2 : Fresh : 4% /// 1 : 3% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 2% /// 4 : 2% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%
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D-Throw : 1 : Fresh : 3% /// 1 : 2% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 1% /// 4 : 1% /// 5 : 1% /// 6 : 1% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

D-Throw : 2 : Fresh : 4% /// 1 : 3% /// 2 : 2% /// 3 : 2% /// 4 : 2% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%
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U-Throw : 1 : Fresh : 5% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 3% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%

U-Throw : 2 : Fresh : 2% /// 1 : 1% /// 2 : 1% /// 3 : 1% /// 4 : 1% /// 5 : 1% /// 6 : 1% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

-Pummel-

Pummel : 1 : Fresh : 2% /// 1 : 1% /// 2 : 1% /// 3 : 1% /// 4 : 1% /// 5 : 1% /// 6 : 1% /// 7 : 1% /// 8 : 1%

-Hookshot-

Zair : 1 : Fresh : 4% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 4% /// 3 : 4% /// 4 : 4% /// 5 : 4% /// 6 : 4% /// 7 : 4% /// 8 : 4% ***

Zair : 2 : Fresh : 6% /// 1 : 6% /// 2 : 6% /// 3 : 6% /// 4 : 6% /// 5 : 6% /// 6 : 6% /// 7 : 6% /// 8 : 6% ***

-Get Up From a Ledge-

Get Up From a Ledge : 1 : Fresh : 8% /// 1 : 6% /// 2 : 5% /// 3 : 5% /// 4 : 4% /// 5 : 4% /// 6 : 4% /// 7 : 3% /// 7 : 3%
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Get Up From a Ledge When >100% : 1 : Fresh : 10% /// 1 : 8% /// 2 : 7% /// 3 : 6% /// 4 : 6% /// 5 : 5% /// 6 : 5% /// 7 : 4% /// 8 : 4%

-Get Up From a Trip-

Get Up From a Trip : 1 : Fresh : 5% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 3% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%

Get Up From a Trip : 2 : Fresh : 5% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 3% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%
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Get Up From a Trip When >100% : 1 : Fresh : 5% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 3% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%

Get Up From a Trip When >100% : 2 : Fresh : 5% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 3% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 2% /// 6 : 2% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%

-Get Up From Tumbling Animation-

Get Up From Tumbling Animation : 1 : Fresh : 6% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 4% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 3% /// 6 : 3% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%

Get Up From Tumbling Animation : 2 : Fresh : 6% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 4% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 3% /// 6 : 3% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%
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Get Up From Tumbling Animation When >100% : 1 : Fresh : 6% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 4% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 3% /// 6 : 3% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%

Get Up From Tumbling Animation When >100% : 1 : Fresh : 6% /// 1 : 4% /// 2 : 4% /// 3 : 3% /// 4 : 3% /// 5 : 3% /// 6 : 3% /// 7 : 2% /// 8 : 2%
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*Moves that start with 2% fresh actually decay down to 0.92%, the game doesn't count that as a 0% move however, it is counted as 1%.

~To-Do List~
-Finish grab, dash, get up, Hookshot, and pummel data
-Edit some terminology, etc.
-Edit chart for easier reading...[Pk-ow's suggestion]
-Finish Jab Data
-Test Possibly Incorrect Smash data
-Finish Smash Data
-Change F-Smash and D-Smash data
-Tidy Up
-Finish Tilts
-Finish Aerials
-Finish Special Attacks
-Finish Dash data
-Finish Grab data
-Finish Pummel data
-Finish Grab data
-Finish Hookshot data
-Finish Get Up Data
-Add Uncharged Smashes
-Finish Uncharged Smash data

Special thanks to: Pk-Ow! ; 3xSwords ; Havokk ; Amazing Ampharos ; ColinJF ; Xyro77 ; Thunder of Zeus

Whoa, amazing topic, so far!
Keep it up, this is some interesting stuff.

*adds data to guide*

Can't wait to see the decay rates. great job so far

very nice xD

You don't know what any of this means... do you...?

NAKEDeDeDe said:

Consecutive Hit Number: Tells you the number of times the move has been used in a row up to that point. [Ex: "Fresh" means first time use, "2" means second time use...[/color]

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It might be better to treat Fresh as 0 for this column. That way, it would be a count of "the number of instances of this move in the stale-move ticker before the attack."

Also, you should simplify the "Hit number" labels to "1", "2", and so on, instead of "Hit 1", "Hit 2" etc. It bothers the eyes and crowds the chart.

Or perhaps a middle ground is best: "#1," "#2," etc.

Thanks for your input PK. I'll change that. Jabs should be up today, if anything further then that, expect one hit moves to be added next. If any of you ever wish to see what I'm working on for this chart, just go down to the pink text and read the to-do list. You can even help do something if you really want.

Once again, thanks for all of the input, it's very all very helpful.

Where are the sweet spots for f-smash d-smash and utilt? You are blowing my mind away because 22% on utilt seems too good too be true.

The D-Smash and F-Smash data are under the "Smashes" section. Keep in mind these are fully charged smashes, and so they deal enormous damage when and if both hits connect. For example, a fully charged, sweetspotted F-smash does 45%. The U-tilt is unfortunatly a mistake though...I must have been looking at the second hit of D-Smash. It's really 9%. Thanks.

great job, but isn't already all this in the "triforce of courage" guide?

NAKEDeDeDe said:

The D-Smash and F-Smash data are under the "Smashes" section. Keep in mind these are fully charged smashes, and so they deal enormous damage when and if both hits connect. For example, a fully charged, sweetspotted F-smash does 45%. The U-tilt is unfortunatly a mistake though...I must have been looking at the second hit of D-Smash. It's really 9%. Thanks.

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Dammmnnnnn It was too good too be true.

Oh well. Ummm.... some errors I noticed. F-smash second hit should be 28% I believe. Both d-smashes deal 23% fully charged. This is because sweetspot of the second F-smash is towards the hilt while the first strike it is at the edge of the blade. And both strikes of d-smash deal more damage when Link is close to them.

chris the brawler said:

great job, but isn't already all this in the "triforce of courage" guide?

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No, only sourspotted and sweetspotted attacks are in the guide. This will eventually detail move decay.

3xSwords said:

Dammmnnnnn It was too good too be true.

Oh well. Ummm.... some errors I noticed. F-smash second hit should be 28% I believe. Both d-smashes deal 23% fully charged. This is because sweetspot of the second F-smash is towards the hilt while the first strike it is at the edge of the blade. And both strikes of d-smash deal more damage when Link is close to them.

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I'll check that out, with so much data it's easy to get things wrong. I really appreciate your help, especially this early on. Imagine if I would of had all the data for the incorrect percentages calculated already...I'd have to do it all over again.

PK-ow! said:

It might be better to treat Fresh as 0 for this column. That way, it would be a count of "the number of instances of this move in the stale-move ticker before the attack."

Also, you should simplify the "Hit number" labels to "1", "2", and so on, instead of "Hit 1", "Hit 2" etc. It bothers the eyes and crowds the chart.

Or perhaps a middle ground is best: "#1," "#2," etc.

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I love how you organize things. Marry me.

@Chris

This will eventually cover move decay. Data is data, and all data can be useful.

@3x

The Fsmash does more damage based on where you hit. - Doing more when the opponent is closer to Link

The first hit does more damage when they are further away (lolwut?)

99% sure on that - hence the mixed results

Havokk said:

I love how you organize things. Marry me.

@Chris

This will eventually cover move decay. Data is data, and all data can be useful.

@3x

The Fsmash does more damage based on where you hit. - Doing more when the opponent is closer to Link

The first hit does more damage when they are further away (lolwut?)

99% sure on that - hence the mixed results

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what are you talking about? Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing or just confused?

Fsmash has a sweetspot and sourspot.

First hit sweetspot: FAR from Link - sourspot is CLOSE to Link

Second hit sweetspot: CLOSE to Link - sourspot is FAR from Link.

Programmers decided to have some LULZ and make it basically impossible to hit with both sweetspots.

Havokk said:

Fsmash has a sweetspot and sourspot.

First hit sweetspot: FAR from Link - sourspot is CLOSE to Link

Second hit sweetspot: CLOSE to Link - sourspot is FAR from Link.

Programmers decided to have some LULZ and make it basically impossible to hit with both sweetspots.

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yeah. Link is already top tier, the game is supposed to be balanced after all. can't make him too good -_-"

Jabs are complete! Now I'm going to go record the incorrect F-Smash and D-Smash data, then I'll do the smashes. Phew, it's a lot of work getting it all set up, but once you figure everything out it's actually pretty darn easy, although it gets repetitive typing in numbers on a calculator, recording them, and then adding it to the thread.

Mind posting how you figured this out in the OP?

When I get my wii, theres a few characters I want to do this for....