Dmash-Footstool-Dair-Double Dsmash combo :]

Shadow Tactics · Mar 29, 2009

If you Dsmash your opponent when they're around 0-10%, you can Down smash them, footstool, dair. They are then forced to get up, during which you can pivot dsmash them twice then follow up with an aerial. You guys may not find this too useful seeing as landing a Dsmash while your opponent is around the 0-10% range is rare, but meh, every little bit helps right? It's a 45%+ combo depending on what the final aerial you follow up with is =P. It doesn't work on all chars but I know it works on Snake, ZSS, Bowser, I haven't bothered to test it out on anyone else.

Supermodel From Paris · Mar 30, 2009

Haven't tested this, but if it really works, then it's great.

I want to say landing a Down Smash between 0-10% isn't that rare. You can actually glide toss down toward the enemy into a DSmash at the beginning of matches. It's a great way to surprise an enemy on the second match of a set.

If it works, this is a great way to open (if not overused).

noradseven · Mar 30, 2009

Supermodel From Paris said:
Haven't tested this, but if it really works, then it's great.

I want to say landing a Down Smash between 0-10% isn't that rare. You can actually glide toss down toward the enemy into a DSmash at the beginning of matches. It's a great way to surprise an enemy on the second match of a set.

If it works, this is a great way to open (if not overused).

Its rare, D-smash is for charging teammates health or bucket in teammatches, and for fear in all matches. Its like Ike's F-smash you don't expect it to hit but if it does its a nice surprise.

Z1GMA · Mar 30, 2009

This could be a perfect setup for the Ftilt/DA - lock... ("Zero stepping")
..... omg...

jibbyjaont · Mar 30, 2009

noradseven said:
Its rare, D-smash is for charging teammates health or bucket in teammatches, and for fear in all matches. Its like Ike's F-smash you don't expect it to hit but if it does its a nice surprise.

I don't think using D-Smash is too rare. Yes, it doesn't happen a lot but for me it happens maybe 5+ times a match (majority on edge some on ground). I think the d-smash dair combo is rare though.

sasook · Mar 30, 2009

The dair is just to get to the ground quickly enough so you can dsmash them again when they stand up after the footstool. It's not meant to hit. I like the idea of this, but I want to wait what other top ZSS's have to say about it.

LuLLo · Mar 30, 2009

Nice, I'll try it out tomorrow

And d-smash is indeed not used that much, I only use it for punishing opponents mistakes or a lock when I get the chance, but never ever ever use it as a standard attack just to hit people with.

ph00tbag · Mar 30, 2009

You have to be hit during the bounce animation in order to be forced to get up. Ergo, some hit of the dair would have to hit in order for the move to work, and the second hit should always hit, and that on is too strong to lock the opponent and force a get-up.

That is, if I'm interpreting this correctly.

Shadow Tactics · Mar 31, 2009

,

ph00tbag said:
You have to be hit during the bounce animation in order to be forced to get up. Ergo, some hit of the dair would have to hit in order for the move to work, and the second hit should always hit, and that on is too strong to lock the opponent and force a get-up.

That is, if I'm interpreting this correctly.

I have actually tested this, it does work, just not on all characters.

ph00tbag · Mar 31, 2009

Shadow Tactics said:
I have actually tested this, it does work, just not on all characters.

Now that I've seen the video of how it works, I see what you're talking about. I'm not quite sure why that happens, but I see it. Doing this into ftilt seems really good, especially if you do the late dash attack -> ftilt thing afterward.

sasook · Mar 31, 2009

Whoa, just saw the vid, that's pretty freakin' sick! Is it an infinite or can it be escaped?

Supermodel From Paris · Mar 31, 2009

Are we sure that video is this technique? In the video, he starts it at much higher percentages than 10%.

sasook · Mar 31, 2009

Well the double dsmash after the dair is just a follow up to what was in the vid, I would assume.

Kaitou Ace · Mar 31, 2009

Shouldn't this work at any percent? Considering the technique is you pushing your enemy back to the ground and then dair which keeps them on the ground but somehow the effect of the footstool negates the second part of Dair, the shockwave, and allows for a follow-up.

However, this is really sexy, great job :3

Supermodel From Paris · Mar 31, 2009

The fact that this works on Snake is absolutely huge.

Kaitou Ace · Mar 31, 2009

I'm having trouble pulling this off

I can footstool after the dsmash but I end up hitting ROB with the dair and it messes it up. It seems like the Dair cancels laglessly in the video, how do you pull that off? D:

sasook · Mar 31, 2009

Yeah, I didn't see any dair landing lag either.

........

why is everyone's name lime?

ph00tbag · Mar 31, 2009

Kaitou Ace said:
I'm having trouble pulling this off I can footstool after the dsmash but I end up hitting ROB with the dair and it messes it up. It seems like the Dair cancels laglessly in the video, how do you pull that off? D:

You have to make sure everything is done ASAP, so buffer the footstool, and buffer the dair.

Supermodel From Paris · Mar 31, 2009

sasook said:
Yeah, I didn't see any dair landing lag either.

........

why is everyone's name lime?

Try down-b instead of dair.

...Why IS everyone's name lime?

ph00tbag · Mar 31, 2009

Supermodel From Paris said:
Try down-b instead of dair.

...Why IS everyone's name lime?

Just noticed it, too. Mods are fuchsia.

Edit: or they were. Some now are yellow, some are still red.

There are also silver people now, too.

I'm so confused.

Supermodel From Paris · Mar 31, 2009

OK, sorry, but this hasn't been asked yet: Is this infinite? Can the Dsmash->Pivot/Footstool->Dsmash be repeated indefinitely on these characters? If so, this is probably going to get attention very fast and be banned even faster.

kuenzel · Mar 31, 2009

And the mod's names went yellow too... the green is hurting my eyes.

BTW what video are you guys talking about? I don't see one linked in this thread... I wanna see this cool new technique!!

Supermodel From Paris · Mar 31, 2009

kuenzel said:
And the mod's names went yellow too... the green is hurting my eyes.

BTW what video are you guys talking about? I don't see one linked in this thread... I wanna see this cool new technique!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCAaOhH6UUg&fmt=18

ph00tbag · Mar 31, 2009

I think April Fool's day came an hour early today, unless whoever's in charge lives in Eastern Canada... or Brazil.

sasook · Mar 31, 2009

Admins' names went pink, or at least Buzz's did. Several mods have changed their names to Mic_(insert number). And they have various colors - blue, yellow, red. Look at this thread:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7062103

kuenzel · Mar 31, 2009

that actually makes perfect sense.... and it only took 15 minutes.

ph00tbag · Mar 31, 2009

IB4DALOCK!

cle

Unless Mic's just being silly in the Lucas forums...

kuenzel · Mar 31, 2009

Ok, now that I watched the video, I'm confused as to how the down air immediately after a footstool canceled so fast the eye cant keep up.
As soon as I understand that, I'll be able to try it out tommorrow; but from the way its shown in the vid, this is at the very least a PERFECT setup for the f-tilt lock.
and seeing as footstools (apparently) are non-discriminatory- potentially an infinite on every single character.

Uh-oh. Do your research guys. Don't go blabing you're new 'infinite' to every single board just yet.
Keep it on the down-low.
Play around with it, alone, with the lights off.
When it is ready--
Then, we will strike.

EDIT: I find it hilarious that every ****ing thread in General discussion is locked.

sasook · Mar 31, 2009

ph00tbag said:
Unless Mic's just being silly in the Lucas forums...

All the mods are Mics. Check the creator of the Zero Suit Finder. They shut down and reopened the Fox, Lucas, and Ness boards. The PT boards are currently closed.

Kaitou Ace · Apr 1, 2009

I've been doing some testing and I've getting it to work on ROB but it's not working on Snake. I'm using the same timing I have been using for ROB and I don't think it works for Snake because of his specific footstooled animation that makes him susceptible to getting hit by the Dair. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd really appreciate if somebody followed up on this

I hope it does work on Snake.

Supermodel From Paris · Apr 1, 2009

I didn't have much time, but a friend of mine and I just went into training mode and attempted this. It is a zero-to-death combo on Snake.

Congratulations, everyone. We are now about as lame as you can possibly get. :laugh:

I've been doing some testing and I've getting it to work on ROB but it's not working on Snake. I'm using the same timing I have been using for ROB and I don't think it works for Snake because of his specific footstooled animation that makes him susceptible to getting hit by the Dair. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd really appreciate if somebody followed up on this I hope it does work on Snake.

try using down-b instead of dair.

Kief · Apr 1, 2009

what do you guys think the criteria for the victim is? heavies? fatties? i have a hunch that height is the primary factor in this. (correct me if im wrong. dont know alot about zss) doesn't the stunner have set knockback, or at least for the most part? in that case, weight wouldnt be a factor. i think the main thing would be having the victim be tall enough for zss to footstool. has this been tested on everyone?

FadedImage · Apr 1, 2009

The infinite version (where ZSS has no lag after the dair) only works on ROB. His super weird footstool animation brings ZSS to the ground during the footstool, so hitting dair cancels the footstool and leaves ZSS lagless (capable of d-smashing and keeping the chain going).

However, this combo, (the D-smash, footstool->d-air for groundlock, d-smash as the character is standing) works on a variety of characters.

the thing is, in order to perform it on certain characters (such as Snake), you have to delay your d-air for a couple frames. The point is to not hit the character on the ground with the shockwave portion of the dair, while still connecting with the weak spike hit. I dunno if this is incredibly useful, considering you'd have to practice the distance for every character, so that you can get a 16% bonus (d-smash + d-air hit) to your normal d-smash combo.

It's definitely sweet on ROB, a fairly easy infinite, changes the match-up A LOT. D-smashing ROB isn't incredibly difficult, considering his roll is garbage.

Supermodel From Paris · Apr 1, 2009

FadedImage said:
The infinite version (where ZSS has no lag after the dair) only works on ROB. His super weird footstool animation brings ZSS to the ground during the footstool, so hitting dair cancels the footstool and leaves ZSS lagless (capable of d-smashing and keeping the chain going).

However, this combo, (the D-smash, footstool->d-air for groundlock, d-smash as the character is standing) works on a variety of characters.

the thing is, in order to perform it on certain characters (such as Snake), you have to delay your d-air for a couple frames. The point is to not hit the character on the ground with the shockwave portion of the dair, while still connecting with the weak spike hit. I dunno if this is incredibly useful, considering you'd have to practice the distance for every character, so that you can get a 16% bonus (d-smash + d-air hit) to your normal d-smash combo.

It's definitely sweet on ROB, a fairly easy infinite, changes the match-up A LOT. D-smashing ROB isn't incredibly difficult, considering his roll is garbage.

I swear I was using the infinite on Snake using down-b instead of dair. Down-b doesn't hit the opponent, it just brings you straight to the ground. But my friend is gone now and I don't see the point in testing this on CPUs. So try it and get back to me?

Kaitou Ace · Apr 1, 2009

Supermodel From Paris said:
I swear I was using the infinite on Snake using down-b instead of dair. Down-b doesn't hit the opponent, it just brings you straight to the ground. But my friend is gone now and I don't see the point in testing this on CPUs. So try it and get back to me?

Are you saying that the arc-travelling animation is canceled after the footstool? That would be godly @_@

FadedImage · Apr 1, 2009

when are you performing the down-b to return directly to the ground without lag?

Supermodel From Paris · Apr 1, 2009

FadedImage said:
when are you performing the down-b to return directly to the ground without lag?

Well, at the same time you would perform the dair. As far as I know they are interchangable.

**** it, I need to do more testing. Can someone get InnocentRoads on the phone? :laugh:

Are you saying that the arc-travelling animation is canceled after the footstool? That would be godly @_@

Yes. I was only able to pull it off a few times, though. I'm not a very strong technical player so stuff like this tends to be hard for me to figure out.

FadedImage · Apr 1, 2009

I'm buffering the down-b after the footstool and I'm not landing... landing without lag with the down-b is only working on ROB for me... any pointers?

Supermodel From Paris · Apr 1, 2009

FadedImage said:
I'm buffering the down-b after the footstool and I'm not landing... landing without lag with the down-b is only working on ROB for me... any pointers?

I don't know. I'm going to load up the game and see if I can figure it out.

EDIT: Yeah, I can only do it like once every 10 times or something. The timing is either really tight or I'm going crazy. I've tried it so many times now that I can't even do the footstool because I'm getting frustrated, heh.

noradseven · Apr 1, 2009

Wow at first I didn't know what you were talking about but ohh dear lord, this is great, for the few specific matchups, its better than the d-smash combo too.

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