New way to play Brawl? (Don't quote me on this)

person701 · Mar 31, 2009

Personaly, I don't like the way regular Brawl is played and I use a different set of options. All I modify is the Damage Ratio (now 1.1) and put on Heavy Brawl. I'm not trying to make it feel more like Melee, but just feel faster and more, well, heavy like. I'm not sure if this would bring back any combos (don't have many people to test this on), but I believe it does add some to the game. I also know that some chaingrabs are harder to preform while others are just down right nerfed (Falco's Dthrow now lasts till ~31% instead of ~50%). It also brings back a that great (or maybe not-so-great) pressure while off stage.

I know that the subject of using Heavy Brawl has been brought up in the past, but I guess what I'm getting at is using other internal options the game has to offer, like damage ratio to increase knockback and reduce, if not, take out infinates in Heavy Brawl. Tell me what yall think about it. Before you post, please, try it out. And please, positive thoughts/post/comments/etc.

P.S. Also, can we please not get into Meta <_< He's already complained about enough in regular Brawl.

Cold Fusion · Mar 31, 2009

Doesn't heavy brawl also reduce jumping height? I have tried it before and I found it fun.

DerpDaBerp · Mar 31, 2009

If you want it to be more like Melee........ go and play some actual Melee

|RK| · Mar 31, 2009

Seriously people, stop saying that. Maybe he likes Brawl's characters more, or perhaps how his main plays in Brawl, or maybe the better graphics.

Lythium · Mar 31, 2009

RK Joker said:
Seriously people, stop saying that. Maybe he likes Brawl's characters more, or perhaps how his main plays in Brawl, or maybe the better graphics.

Plus, it was clearly stated that he is not trying to make it like Melee.

n88 · Mar 31, 2009

An interesting idea. Only problem is that special brawls aren't counted in records. I'm trying to get the 2,000 KO achievement, so I won't be using this much. I do see how it could work, though.

person701 · Mar 31, 2009

*sigh*

lythium said:
Plus, it was clearly stated that he is not trying to make it like Melee.

Thank you. And also, I am a Melee player. The only real reason I play Brawl is cause it's what everyone ever wants to play where that I live anymore. Only one other Melee player and that's my 'apprentice' I suppose you could call him... (and I don't get out much so... <_<).

But this is besides the point...

And yes Y462, it does reduce jump height.

Alus · Mar 31, 2009

POST BEFORE THIS ROOM GETS FLAMED!!!

Yes it is a good idea to try something different... If you don't you are not getting your money's worth.

I cannot explain the hate I have to give to people who are like "WTF are you talking about this is ********!!! noob!!! go play smash the right way!!!".

I know its not a great idea for competitive play... and it should never be involved in competitive play...but it is still a idea that could be used for your amusement...
if you get THAT serious over smash that you hate everyone that likes items because it can somehow in any way affect your competitive play then you need to go outside for awhile.

in other words...

DO SOMETHING THAT WILL GET AND YOU FRIENDS TO LAUGH AT...

seriously playing the same way over and over will bore me and im sure it will bore others... why do these kind of people get flamed on?

Man of Popsicle · Mar 31, 2009

Heavy brawl can end up with really gay offstage deaths.

sMexy-Blu · Mar 31, 2009

Go play Brawl+

Cold Fusion · Mar 31, 2009

sMexy-Blu said:
Go play Brawl+

Playing Brawl+ requires hacking, which not everyone is willing to do or has the tools to do.

BentoBox · Mar 31, 2009

Go play SF4.

CRASHiC · Apr 1, 2009

The problem with that is that in leads to many crazy chain grabs and such.
Falco gets an infinite on every character.

Dantarion · Apr 1, 2009

Y462 said:
Playing Brawl+ requires hacking, which not everyone is willing to do or has the tools to do.

You barely have to do ANYTHING to get Brawl+ working, and the process of installing the homebrew channel opens up a lot more options than Brawl+, and is completly safe

Crizthakidd · Apr 1, 2009

yea bbrawl + is what ur lookin for kid.

btw my names green today XD

Deleted member · Apr 1, 2009

hell yeah it's B+ what you need, not even if you want moreserious etc. gameplay, you can also just have fun with the codes.

and the green is prob cuz of april fool's

Conspiricy · Apr 1, 2009

I found it to be quite fun. It was different.

Also, don't you need like, an SD card to mod your wii?

I don't have enough cash to get stuff like that.

Underload · Apr 1, 2009

I'll have to go try this out sometime.

person701 · Apr 1, 2009

sMexy-Blu said:
Go play Brawl+

Notice how I hid the words "new standard" in the title. Just it's not bluntly obvious. I'm not hating on B+ either. Just from what I think/see (and others to) B+ doesn't look very good for a standard at the current time.

CRASHiC said:
The problem with that is that in leads to many crazy chain grabs and such.
Falco gets an infinite on every character.

*face palm* Did you even play this before you posted? Falco's chaingrab is nerfed and can't be an extensive +100%. That whole 0.1 addition in the damage ratio does make a difference. Also, if this does buff/nerf others, just all the more reason to post it here: so others can test it since I have no one else willing to try this in my area.

Conspiricy said:
Also, don't you need like, an SD card to mod your wii?

Yes, you do. And Twilight Princess. But according to a new expliot, it may be possible without TP. Still need that SD though...

Crow! · Apr 2, 2009

Threads posting this idea were frequent early in Brawl's lifecycle. Since the release of modding tools, Brawl+ has taken the helm of these sorts of efforts. I suggest checking out Brawl+ as it is an even more extreme push in the faster direction than Heavy Brawl.

jokey665 · Apr 2, 2009

Conspiricy said:
I found it to be quite fun. It was different.

Also, don't you need like, an SD card to mod your wii?

I don't have enough cash to get stuff like that.

person701 said:
Yes, you do. And Twilight Princess. But according to a new expliot, it may be possible without TP. Still need that SD though...

You can get a 2GB SD card for under 10 bucks online, slightly more instore. No Johns.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820180627
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7640699&st=sd+card&type=product&id=1134698297631

GameSystem · Apr 2, 2009

I can find $10 dollars if I walk around the school lunchroom for 10 minutes. There are no excuses!

BentoBox · Apr 2, 2009

It will never become a standard regardless.

rathy Aro · Apr 2, 2009

This is not a new idea. Use the search function.

TimeWarpedBrawler · Apr 2, 2009

so you can mod/hack your wii without TP. sweet

GuruKid · Apr 2, 2009

Peeps will play whichever version of Brawl is more often played, which in this case is regular Brawl.

Good idea, and the options you suggested are quite interesting (I just tried it out) but I doubt this will go far; for now it just seems like regular Brawl is the thing to play.

JOE! · Apr 2, 2009

notes ive found for this style:

Sonic: LoL Spring

Bowser/Charizard: Firebreath is evil as it can be angled and push people off stage

MK: Tornado is better >_>

Pit: recovery is rather odd now, you need all your jumps if you go lower than edge-grab range....

Yoshi: DJ didnt seem to change....fixed length?

Falcon is Fixed (

YES!)

aextreme73 · Apr 2, 2009

seems fun
i dunno how it will help you for the tourney scene, but i guess with friends, it could break up the tier nonsense and have more freedom for other characters

person701 · Apr 2, 2009

JOE! said:
notes ive found for this style:

Sonic: LoL Spring

Bowser/Charizard: Firebreath is evil as it can be angled and push people off stage

MK: Tornado is better >_>

Pit: recovery is rather odd now, you need all your jumps if you go lower than edge-grab range....

Yoshi: DJ didnt seem to change....fixed length?

Falcon is Fixed ( YES!)

lol, that's a good one. Seen the spring before. D3s special is faster and shorter. MK nado... uh ya <_< unfortunatly.

rehab · Apr 2, 2009

Supposedly Darkstalkers 3 is played in tourney on an optional speed setting at least 2 notches higher than the default, and people have a grand time at the most ridiculous pace I've ever seen in a fighting game. Giving extra options a try in tournament couldn't hurt, I just have no idea how it would get reconciled with the current standard.

JOE! · Apr 2, 2009

person701 said:
lol, that's a good one. Seen the spring before. D3s special is faster and shorter. MK nado... uh ya <_< unfortunatly.

knee someone, do it

also, PAWNCH works against like 90% of the recoveries

person701 · Apr 2, 2009

rehab said:
Supposedly Darkstalkers 3 is played in tourney on an optional speed setting at least 2 notches higher than the default, and people have a grand time at the most ridiculous pace I've ever seen in a fighting game. Giving extra options a try in tournament couldn't hurt, I just have no idea how it would get reconciled with the current standard.

That's the "fear" here I believe. And this pace, is it faster than Melee? Cause if so, that's awsome.

Dragoomba · Apr 2, 2009

person701 said:
That's the "fear" here I believe. And this pace, is it faster than Melee? Cause if so, that's awsome.

Maybe, but is it funner?

JOE! · Apr 2, 2009

hah, Warlock punch will kill pika at 20% with full DI, second jump and Up B done twice from THE CENTER OF FINAL DESTINATION

Deathcarter · Apr 2, 2009

The TC does bring up an interesting idea in increasing the damage ratio. It does not jumble up the tier list like Heavy Brawl does, it simply makes matches go by faster due to shorter life expectency. Maybe if we changed the Damage Ratio, we might be able to bring Brawl back up to 4 stocks instead of three.

Brinzy · Apr 2, 2009

What would be the point of increasing the damage ratio to make matches go quicker if you're just gonna add another stock?

Deathcarter · Apr 2, 2009

Successor of Raphael said:
What would be the point of increasing the damage ratio to make matches go quicker if you're just gonna add another stock?

For one thing, 4 stocks is a lot better than three stocks in doubles since life stealing actually becomes viable. But other than that, I guess for familiarity's sake. Three stocks is one of the things I like least about Brawl.

OmegaXF · Apr 3, 2009

Funny how Pie man never reposted lol.

person701 · Apr 3, 2009

OmegaXF said:
Funny how Pie man never reposted lol.

It's because I said I play Melee also. =D

Deathcarter said:
For one thing, 4 stocks is a lot better than three stocks in doubles since life stealing actually becomes viable. But other than that, I guess for familiarity's sake. Three stocks is one of the things I like least about Brawl.

It's either that it's for nostaligic (can't spell) purposes, or it's because Melee is what pretty much set standard for Smash's competitive scene. I'm mean you look at it and it sparked 64 and then we have Brawl. 64 is played 5stock 10time, Melee is played 4-8, and Brawl was played 3-6 before the SBR had rules. Anyone else notice a trend?

JOE! said:
hah, Warlock punch will kill pika at 20% with full DI, second jump and Up B done twice from THE CENTER OF FINAL DESTINATION

Buff for Ganon. ownt

Deathcarter said:
The TC does bring up an interesting idea in increasing the damage ratio. It does not jumble up the tier list like Heavy Brawl does, it simply makes matches go by faster due to shorter life expectency. Maybe if we changed the Damage Ratio, we might be able to bring Brawl back up to 4 stocks instead of three.

Kinda and kinda not. Heavy Brawl did already kill some characters at low percents (sorry Sonic) but I decided to change that because Heavy Brawl with 1.0 damage already makes for rediculous CGs and stupid nigh inescapable "combos" (more less spamming the same move over and over and OVER. Like Shieks f-tilt).

It was put there to relieve that by making more knockback and the gravity already opens up some more combos because of it itself (the gravity). This option has been sitting here for ages, since Melee. But we never needed it (and we sure as **** don't need it now) 'cause it would either creat two problems: 1) Too much knockback making it almost combo-less similar to regular Brawl -or- 2) Too little knockback which would make it a one-move-spamfest.

lucha5 · Apr 4, 2009

its really fun and faster. some chars get nerfed like diddy and chars like marth get buffed abit. good idea

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