Critique my Diddy please ->

Irsic · Apr 7, 2009

(you guys should have a "Critique my Diddy" thread!)

Even though I win these, I do make some mistakes but I'm also looking for more about what I'm missing from the Diddy meta game. What could I improve on? What combos am I missing? Diddy has always been my secondary but I'm taking him up now to actually begin using him when I know I should be, rather than just holding true to Lucas. SO, I need to up my Diddy game. These are hopefully me at my best Diddy.

(the 3rd match is a much closer match than the 1st one, this guy also took 5th at the MWC in Oshkosh, WI)

R1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2sNXvPBinc
R2 - I played Fox, yo.
R3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jXEDLIuEgc

rvkevin · Apr 8, 2009

Two bad habits you have are rolling behind/into them and air dodging into the ground right in front of them...Typical combos to incorporate would be Dash Attack->Glide Toss Forwards and throw Banana Up->Utilt (:46 in Round 3), there were some times you tried to run in and punish MK's Dsmash, but I don't think thats possible, I would try to be more patient next time...Hard to judge you in a MK matchup, as I myself have had trouble in them.

MdrnDayMercutio · Apr 8, 2009

Turtle, go watch all the vids of my Diddy and tell me why I suck so I can **** new england like you do.

bludhoundz · Apr 8, 2009

Note that you can catch bananas with aerials (this is better than an airdodge when your opponent is close, because they can punish the AD often), or with z catching, which is pretty much lagless.

I think you should work on dribbling and naner control in general -- so that you can upgrade to using 2 bananas (you get a lot more momentum).

I liked that you used pretty much all of his moves. I saw lots of tilts (diddy's tilts are win), and even some nairs / upsmashes (his underused moves).

I only watched the first match, I'll check the other one later.

fZk · Apr 8, 2009

From what I saw in the first match.

When possible, always have two bananas out, One in hand, one in front. This limits the opponents approaches and greatly expand yours.

Learn to Z-catch.

When moving away from the opponent, don't roll back. Dashing and even walking are better options. You roll a lot.

You tried to follow up dash attacks with an utilt at higher damages, when a fair would have been a better option. They actually conect.

Mix up your banana game, some dribling and up glide toss are nice tecniques to mix it up.

Overall, nice Diddy but can be improved by a lot, I see potential.

Coyn3Masta · Apr 8, 2009

i only watched the first match, i would say this:

z-catch more, it helps
work on your nanner control
follow up on your combos more
stop rolling so much >.<

but yeah, overall not a bad diddy =)

Bellioes · Apr 8, 2009

One thing thats really a holding you back is your tendance to roll.
Learn to break that habit. What I did (am still doing actually) is watch your replays and watch when you roll. It helped me to cut down cause your usually not aware of how much you roll but when you watch yourself, you realize just how much you do it (and how slow it it -_-) and will slowly break the habit. Worked for me at least.

EDIT: Woah sorry. I didnt read the other posts until I posted this and so I didnt realize that you already heard this a lot. Sorry I couldnt really give you anything new

Irsic · Apr 8, 2009

Rolling

Man that is a bad habit. Originates from Smash64 when it was your only dodge-like option...lol. And yeah, I didn't realize how much I was doing it until I rewatched these matches...it's ugly.

fource · Apr 9, 2009

you can also instant throw the nanner from the air. It's always best to instant throw or Z catch imo.
Try to incorporate Z dropping as well. A lot of the time they'll be so concerned with the fact that the nanner is falling that they won't recognize the fact you will Fair them in the face. It's basically the same concept as throwing the nanner up to force an AD then hitting them with an aerial.

Bellioes · Apr 10, 2009

Oh I love the look on my opponents face when I instant throw a banana that they just threw right back in their face. I know its hard to pull off (theve got to be either really predictable with bananas or you have to have awesome reflexes) But still when you do it once, it really scares your opponent. Its like you just reflected the banana right back at them

I just started to incorporate the instant throw into my game and it really is an awesome AT. It makes platform levels a lot easier, the BF banana ledge pull puts the banana in the perfect position to LH a instant throw too. Im starting to really like that stage now

OmegaExile · Apr 27, 2009

yo u got a nice lucas man...ur diddy aint that tho xD

my diddy would do u dmg xP

AlphaZealot · Apr 27, 2009

you gotta learn to dribble.

And full hop double nana pull instead of short hop single nana pull. Get both those bananas working, not just one.

Kaptain Kong · Apr 27, 2009

AlphaZealot said:
you gotta learn to dribble.

And full hop double nana pull instead of short hop single nana pull. Get both those bananas working, not just one.

i just dont see how people can live with just using one nana

so many new opportunities arise when you embrace the power of both naners

work on mindgaming your opponent when you approach, as to not get predictable
dribbling really helps

Kirbster13 · Apr 27, 2009

A player isn't necessarily at their best when they're using 2 bananas. I consider it a mix-up in and of itself to stick with just one naner instead of using the usual two, it tends to lull my opponent into a less wary state.

Then again only ever using one banana is enormously detrimental to a Diddy's game overall.

Diddy has three different playstyles all stemming from whether he is going nonana, singlenana, or doublenana (I wouldn't advise going nonana against MK though, that's just giving them the set.)

fource · Apr 28, 2009

Kirbster13 said:
A player isn't necessarily at their best when they're using 2 bananas. I consider it a mix-up in and of itself to stick with just one naner instead of using the usual two, it tends to lull my opponent into a less wary state.

No...he is at his best with 2...mix up or not, with 2 bananas Diddy performs better...that's not arguable. Even if he does not use them both, the fact that the second one is there gives Diddy more options which we all love. Pull out the second one whether you'll use it or not.

Kirbster13 said:
Then again only ever using one banana is enormously detrimental to a Diddy's game overall.

This does not make sense grammatically. Right, having two is better.

Kirbster13 said:
Diddy has three different playstyles all stemming from whether he is going nonana, singlenana, or doublenana (I wouldn't advise going nonana against MK though, that's just giving them the set.)

Tell me the match-up you do recommend to not use nannerz in, I'm curious.

GooseMainsDiddy · Apr 28, 2009

I made a "Rate My Diddy" thread because of you.

GooseMainsDiddy · Apr 28, 2009

4RCE said:
Tell me the match-up you do recommend to not use nannerz in, I'm curious.

Don't listen to that guy. Diddy should use nanners in ALL matchups. Even against Falco. You don't have to throw nanners mindlessly, you can just place them on the stage and they will impede movement.

Dekar173 · Apr 28, 2009

Once again, I'm dumb and posted on my GFs account.

Did I once say you had to use no bananas through out the entire set? Leaving the opponent just waiting for you to pull out more bananas is a mix-up all on it's own.

4RCE, I'm sick in general of you arguing against me for the mere fact that what I suggest isn't what you necessarily do at all times. When is the last time you placed 1st, or even in the money, at a tournament?

GooseMainsDiddy · Apr 28, 2009

Dekar173 said:
Once again, I'm dumb and posted on my GFs account.

Did I once say you had to use no bananas through out the entire set? Leaving the opponent just waiting for you to pull out more bananas is a mix-up all on it's own.

4RCE, I'm sick in general of you arguing against me for the mere fact that what I suggest isn't what you necessarily do at all times. When is the last time you placed 1st, or even in the money, at a tournament?

He is right though...

You said that Diddy can go nonana and that is just incorrect and bad advise. You don't have to win any fancy tournaments to know that.

fource · Apr 28, 2009

Dekar173 said:
Did I once say you had to use no bananas through out the entire set? Leaving the opponent just waiting for you to pull out more bananas is a mix-up all on it's own.

4RCE, I'm sick in general of you arguing against me for the mere fact that what I suggest isn't what you necessarily do at all times. When is the last time you placed 1st, or even in the money, at a tournament?

I do not know if you've noticed but I surf the boards and argue with points I do not think are correct on a daily basis. The Marth match-up is one that I argue about the most frequently. I forgot the thread but I was debating with P-1 about the match-up 2 or 3 weeks ago. Simply because I disagree with posts you make more than once does not mean I'm holding a personal vendetta against you. In terms of my tournament placings; I'm also a 16 year old IB student who has tests in the next week. Especially since this is my junior year, I'm knocking out my ACTs and SATs so I can suck out some scholarship money when I go to college. I almost went to Whobo and wanted to go to Kahoka this weekend but I probably won't.

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