Uthrow-uair: Know when to use it!

RaynEX · May 10, 2009

After having an extremely close set with Vwins recently, and getting naired out of uthrow->uair numerous times...I needed to know the truth. Unknown522 and KirbyKaze tested it out, with Peach d.i.ing in many different ways. She can always either trade or nair out. If you ever do get it, its because her double jump is **** or you super space the second hit of your uair. It DOES NOT, however, combo.

Same vs. Ganon. His air mobility is terrible and when he double jumps he is virtually still in the same place, so your uair hits. He also doesn't have a fast/high priority move that hits below him (his nair sucks balls), so uthrow->uair CAN work. Again, it DOES NOT combo.

Neither of the aforementioned characters take enough hitstun from uthrow to keep them in place for the uair.

When Unknown told me this, I wanted to make a thread about it. I think it would be a good idea if we compiled a list of characters it does and does not work on. (For informational purposes/newer players)

This will make it easier for us when it comes to move selection. You might accidentally waveshine grab peach or ganon thinking its what you should be doing, when usmashing or doing an aerial would have been the better option.

Off the top of my head:

Doesn't work on

Peach
Ganon
Mario
Doc
Luigi
Samus

Discuss.

Lovage · May 10, 2009

tldr:

question: Uthrow-uair: Know when to use it!
answer: always always always

KirbyKaze · May 10, 2009

asdf

nvm

raynex is funny :D

cykofox · May 10, 2009

i dun believe you

Toobz · May 11, 2009

Well I know for sure it doesn't combo on Samus. It would make sense if it didn't combo the Marios either. Not sure about Gannondorf, but isn't uthrow-uair like a staple chain against Peach? I haven't really had a lot of experience playing good Gannons or Peaches, but I always thought that uthrow-uair was **** vs Peach.

Rubyiris · May 11, 2009

Only if the Peach player doesn't know what they're doing. Uthrow - Bair works, however, from my experience.

Bets · May 11, 2009

Doesn't work on *****es if they read this thread

works on *****es if they didn't read this thread

Tero. · May 11, 2009

Well I allready noticed that I have some problems hitting Ganon with Uthrow Uair (one of my main training partner mains Ganon) but even though it does not combo it works quite often and is still a good choice because you can rack up good damage with uair juggling.
Against Peach as you said it's all about spacing, don't try to uair her like other characters or you'll get nair'd. Wait a bit and space the seccond hit of the uair.

NJzFinest · May 11, 2009

Is this assuming if the DI the throw?

Because, I know as long as DK DIs the up throw, he can Uair Fox before Fox Uairs him.

rabbt · May 11, 2009

I play good Peach and Ganon almost every day, and I can tell you now that uthrow->uair almost never works (Ganon can jump out at 0%, Peach can DI/trade). It's pretty gay.

RaynEX · May 11, 2009

NJzFinest said:
Is this assuming if the DI the throw?

Because, I know as long as DK DIs the up throw, he can Uair Fox before Fox Uairs him.

It most definitely combos on DK. At 0%, he'll have almost no stun from the uthrow, thats why he can uair out. Over 20%-30% it combos, regardless of d.i.

rabbt said:
I play good Peach and Ganon almost every day, and I can tell you now that uthrow->uair almost never works (Ganon can jump out at 0%, Peach can DI/trade). It's pretty gay.

When Ganon is around 60%, or maybe even less - the minor stun combined with his slow double jump will eventually fail him. It won't combo, but your uthrow will lead to the uair and he'll be trapped. lol

If Peach doesn't d.i. your uthrow, it makes it 10x easier to the land the uair. Because she is directly above you, there isn't a huge risk factor when it comes to her nair. She suffers because of her terribad mid-air jump, just like Ganon - and happily falls into your uair.

Lovage · May 11, 2009

raynex read my thread

teh_spamerer · May 11, 2009

Bowser's too heavy for it to work.

KirbyKaze · May 11, 2009

it doesn't work on sheik at low low low percent (sub 20 percents)

Tee ay eye · May 11, 2009

What affects it? I'm kinda curious as to why Jiggs isn't on the list; do different characters suffer different hitstun?

Tero. · May 11, 2009

You can throw uair combo jigglypuff up to like 100% (if they don't DI), I had the exact percentages somewhere on my computer but I can't find them anymore.

joeplicate · May 11, 2009

you have to SDI out with jiggs

oherwise it combos until about 80% (like 90% if you're perfect)

what's the limit for uthrow up airing marth?
I tried testing it out awhile ago and I was surprised that he can get out of it at like %120 if he DI's it all the way

EWC · May 11, 2009

Tee ay eye said:
What affects it? I'm kinda curious as to why Jiggs isn't on the list; do different characters suffer different hitstun?

Every character has the same hitstun after being thrown from the same percentage. The differences are falling speed and weight. High falling speed obviously makes it easier to combo people.

Weight affects it because, the lighter a character is, the faster your throw animation is, and the faster you can act. That's why, for example, you can do it do jiggs but not samus, even though they have about the same falling speed.

Bets · May 12, 2009

.Tero said:
You can throw uair combo jigglypuff up to like 100% (if they don't DI), I had the exact percentages somewhere on my computer but I can't find them anymore.

Even if they don't DI, I thought it worked up until 65%. I remember reading that somewhere, but I could be wrong. I don't play jiggs enough to know.

soap · May 12, 2009

uthrow uair is sooo hard

i just do the dthrow usmash instead lol

ChivalRuse · May 12, 2009

RaynEX said:
It most definitely combos on DK. At 0%, he'll have almost no stun from the uthrow, thats why he can uair out. Over 20%-30% it combos, regardless of d.i.

For some reason, I thought it didn't combo DK. A while back, Umbreon listed DK Samus Doc Luigi and Mario as the invulnerable characters. Weird.

Tero. · May 12, 2009

Bets said:
Even if they don't DI, I thought it worked up until 65%. I remember reading that somewhere, but I could be wrong. I don't play jiggs enough to know.

I'm quite sure it works up to at leas 90% without DI, I've tested it.
I play PAL though but there shouldn't be any difference.

RaynEX · May 12, 2009

ChivalRuse said:
For some reason, I thought it didn't combo DK. A while back, Umbreon listed DK Samus Doc Luigi and Mario as the invulnerable characters. Weird.

I'm going purely on how many times I've played the match-up. In general...vs. friends, random opponents and pkmvodka. I've gotten uthrow uair way too many times for it to have been luck. But just so its all clear, I'll test it out myself anyways. I'm still pretty sure DK can't do anything about it. I haven't seen many videos where DK escapes uthrow-uair every time. : /

Strong Badam · May 12, 2009

if you could, raynex, test both up-airing out and up-bing out.
and djing of course.

Fortress | Sveet · May 12, 2009

i've known about samus for a while, its pretty gay.

samus only has 3 options really:

1) jump
2) nair
3) downb (bomb)

nair and jump both get beat by uair, but bomb doesnt. if you predict the bomb you can guess which way he will DI (left or right) and uair there. uair does combo into another uair at lower %

KirbyKaze · May 12, 2009

i don't think it works on dk or ganon with di

without it it's like you know whatever

Rubyiris · May 30, 2009

Sveet said:
i've known about samus for a while, its pretty gay.

samus only has 3 options really:

1) jump
2) nair
3) downb (bomb)

nair and jump both get beat by uair, but bomb doesnt. if you predict the bomb you can guess which way he will DI (left or right) and uair there. uair does combo into another uair at lower %

How does nair lose to uair? lol.

I don't think i've ever seen a good samus get uthrow - uaired lol.

I do however see uthrow - spaced djbair work vs samus nair.

RaynEX · May 31, 2009

uthrow laser too.

metashinryu · May 31, 2009

soap said:
uthrow uair is sooo hard

i just do the dthrow usmash instead lol

what about if they know how to tech(or even DI it)

Che_Lab · May 31, 2009

dthrow to usmash... rofl...
the only time i can see that happening is
1. on a platform
2. they dont know how to tech
3. their techs are readable and consistant

MexicanBJ · May 31, 2009

soap said:
uthrow uair is sooo hard

i just do the dthrow usmash instead lol

hahahhaha funny guy.

RaynEX · May 31, 2009

dthrow shine. lvl 9 combos son.

KirbyKaze · May 31, 2009

just do b-throw shine u-smash

the one time it works you can scream and then talk to all your friends about how you got it on someone

Cactuar · Jun 2, 2009

Ew. Who grabs?

Just nairshinenairshinenairshinenair. Mebbe a little drillshinewdupsmash too. GG :laugh:

DtJ Jungle · Jun 2, 2009

hmm i just nairnairnairnairnairnairnair

i find that to be pretty effective

Cactuar · Jun 2, 2009

I nairnairnairnairnairnairnair when I know my opponent can't CC grab very well or if I know they can't do anything OoS. Every strategy gets countered eventually ya know. ^^

G~low · Jun 2, 2009

Cactuar is to good at this game
I shall spam even more nairs then

RaynEX · Jun 2, 2009

Cactuar said:
Ew. Who grabs?

Just nairshinenairshinenairshinenair. Mebbe a little drillshinewdupsmash too. GG

Cactus...

Don't say things like that. Now we have Jman spamming nair trying to be like you and getting ***** by Darkrain. You're giving people hope STOP IT NAO

DtJ Jungle · Jun 2, 2009

But he's..a cactus...

KirbyKaze · Jun 2, 2009

Only Xif can out-Nair Cactuar.

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