AvaricePanda
Smash Lord
(updated as of 7/18/09)
Being a character with a lot of options at any given time, Diddy has a lot of situational tricks that can be pulled off. Generally, situational stuff are put at the back of one's mind, but with Diddy, why? With all of the things he can possibly do given the circumstances, you're bound to have some arbitrary trick during any match.
This will be a collective list of a bunch of well-known and not-so-well-known situational tricks that are often discarded. I'll try to constantly update this, gathering information from places around the Diddy boards that are overlooked. If you have situational tricks that you do, feel free to input.
Boosted B’s: If you perform a side or downB right as you run off a platform, you get a momentum boost, allowing you to travel further. This works well on multi-platform stages like Battlefield; a boosted side-B towards the opponent can throw them off and often connect, given MFK’s (Monkey Flip Kick’s) priority.
Flip Kick Edge Cancel:
Exactly what it sounds like.
OoS Rocket Barrel: If it connects, your OoS upB is relatively unpunishable if performed under the top platform of Battlefield, the platform of Yoshi’s Island, the platform on Frigate Orpheon, or any decently-sized platform of any stage. Some characters will have trouble punishing this even if it hits their shield or misses completely.
Platform Punishment 1
Tether Punish:
Aerial Installing
Barrel Kill
-No banana: Get one. If for whatever reason you don’t want to use the chance to safely pluck a banana, short hop near the ledge and be ready to Fair.
-One banana: Short hop near the ledge with a banana in hand. If the opponent tries to roll or attack onto the stage, dthrow and trip them, then FF Fair to push them back off the stage.
-Two bananas: Same as one banana, but with the other banana either on the ground where they’d get up from a roll (assuming they have a long roll length) or the other banana up thrown.
-Some characters (MK, Fox, Jiggs) have multiple ways to get up from the ledge via extra jumps or momentum stalling. Against these characters, one banana in your hand and another up thrown generally works better. Other characters (DK) only have their straight-forward ledge get-ups, and one banana on the ground + one banana in your hand while short hopping can keep them at the ledge for a good chunk of
percent.
IHSA:
Platform Punishment 2: One of the lesser known and lesser used tricks every character in the game can do is fall through a platform while in shield by slightly tilting the joystick down; too slow and you just tilt your shield, too fast and you spot dodge. If Diddy does this with a banana in his hand, he can fall through a platform and quickly up-throw his banana to where he was. Useful against multi-hit attacks that are hitting your shield, such as Marth’s Dancing Blade.
Safe Banana Plucking:
SH Dthrow Banana Approaches: You can dthrow->z-drop or double dthrow onto a character’s shield. If you double dthrow and an fsmash against a character who's shielding, you can chip off their shield quite a bit, or you can opt to grab. If they roll preemptively, you can FF and instant glide toss, unless they have a good roll like Lucario’s. Most people go for the offensive if they roll away, and a banana throw often works, although you can interchange that with an MFK or Fair. The only way to stop the threat of this--and stopping the approach happens often--is by hitting you when you’re short hop approaching.
The Fecalator (lol):
Snake (and possibly other characters)1:
Brinstar 1: If you Z-Drop or d-throw a banana on the mesh where the stage connects, the banana will bounce, keeping the banana’s hitbox active (I believe).
OoS Rocket Barrel List: List of stages where this is unpunishable enough to consider.
(still pending)
Slippery Slope: If you have a banana on a slope and Bthrow/Fthrow at the base, you can throw the opponent into the banana, making them trip again and letting you follow up with an attack of your choice. This can often happen on Brinstar, Frigate Orpheon, or Castle Siege.
Again, if you want to add anything to this list, feel free. Help is always appreciated.
Being a character with a lot of options at any given time, Diddy has a lot of situational tricks that can be pulled off. Generally, situational stuff are put at the back of one's mind, but with Diddy, why? With all of the things he can possibly do given the circumstances, you're bound to have some arbitrary trick during any match.
This will be a collective list of a bunch of well-known and not-so-well-known situational tricks that are often discarded. I'll try to constantly update this, gathering information from places around the Diddy boards that are overlooked. If you have situational tricks that you do, feel free to input.
~general situational~
Boosted B’s: If you perform a side or downB right as you run off a platform, you get a momentum boost, allowing you to travel further. This works well on multi-platform stages like Battlefield; a boosted side-B towards the opponent can throw them off and often connect, given MFK’s (Monkey Flip Kick’s) priority.
Flip Kick Edge Cancel:
Exactly what it sounds like.
Ledge Punishing 1:
Ledge Punishing 2:
OoS Rocket Barrel: If it connects, your OoS upB is relatively unpunishable if performed under the top platform of Battlefield, the platform of Yoshi’s Island, the platform on Frigate Orpheon, or any decently-sized platform of any stage. Some characters will have trouble punishing this even if it hits their shield or misses completely.
Platform Punishment 1
Pseudo-Frametrap 1: At low to mid percents, if you connect with a Diddy Hump (monkey flip grab) and do the attacking grab release, you’ll often be able to follow up with a FF Fair. The opponent often thinks you’re vulnerable after that grab release, and because of the low distance they traveled, they often try to attack you in your “lag”, and the FF Fair punishes their aggression. An aerial with less lag on landing (N-air, B-air maybe) would be safer. Don't do this too often; with any frametrap, your opponent can catch on.
Tether Punish:
~banana situational~
Aerial Installing
Well, if you catch a banana with a Bair, for some reson, youre already able to do a second aerial. Its different from what DMG posted though because you CAN NOT throw the banana. You either land first or aerial.
I dont know why it happens. It just does
Barrel Kill
Edgeguarding: There are different ways to effectively do this depending on the amount of bananas you have.
-No banana: Get one. If for whatever reason you don’t want to use the chance to safely pluck a banana, short hop near the ledge and be ready to Fair.
-One banana: Short hop near the ledge with a banana in hand. If the opponent tries to roll or attack onto the stage, dthrow and trip them, then FF Fair to push them back off the stage.
-Two bananas: Same as one banana, but with the other banana either on the ground where they’d get up from a roll (assuming they have a long roll length) or the other banana up thrown.
-Some characters (MK, Fox, Jiggs) have multiple ways to get up from the ledge via extra jumps or momentum stalling. Against these characters, one banana in your hand and another up thrown generally works better. Other characters (DK) only have their straight-forward ledge get-ups, and one banana on the ground + one banana in your hand while short hopping can keep them at the ledge for a good chunk of
percent.
IHSA:
GT to Pivot Grab:
Platform Punishment 2: One of the lesser known and lesser used tricks every character in the game can do is fall through a platform while in shield by slightly tilting the joystick down; too slow and you just tilt your shield, too fast and you spot dodge. If Diddy does this with a banana in his hand, he can fall through a platform and quickly up-throw his banana to where he was. Useful against multi-hit attacks that are hitting your shield, such as Marth’s Dancing Blade.
Safe Banana Plucking:
SH Dthrow Banana Approaches: You can dthrow->z-drop or double dthrow onto a character’s shield. If you double dthrow and an fsmash against a character who's shielding, you can chip off their shield quite a bit, or you can opt to grab. If they roll preemptively, you can FF and instant glide toss, unless they have a good roll like Lucario’s. Most people go for the offensive if they roll away, and a banana throw often works, although you can interchange that with an MFK or Fair. The only way to stop the threat of this--and stopping the approach happens often--is by hitting you when you’re short hop approaching.
The Fecalator (lol):
Triple Dthrow: If you full hop against big characters like D3, you can triple dthrow a banana, provided they slip the first time. This can be useful against characters like D3--being in short hop range above him leaves you open for a utilt, bair, possible shield-grab, but full-hop range is relatively unpunishable provided you avoid getting juggled (this can be avoided by Monkey Flipping away if the hit doesn’t connect).Yay for random tricks! I'll join in.
A little trick I like to use on characters with predictable recoveries (i.e. mario, ganon, cf, olimar, etc...) is to time an edge-released fastfall then uthrow a banana then use upB to stage spike. You have to hit them perfectly, otherwise they'll just get pushed the opposite way for minimal damage. I like using it in doubles more than singles. Looks sexy if you pull it off, I call it the fecalator because people soil themselves if it works.
~character situational~
Snake (and possibly other characters)1:
Wario 1:
Im not sure if everyone knew this. I know I didnt til like a week ago
Anyways, whenever you actually manage to banana lock Wario, instead of smashing, grab him so he ends up hanging over the ledge. This will force him to air grab release allowing you to follow up with ANY aerial. Dair is the obvious choice for the early kill but its possible for Wario to SDI onto the stage. This is where the mindgames begin. Mix it up between Dairs and Fairs so that they DI wrong. Ive gotten a few early kills with this.
~stage situational~
Brinstar 1: If you Z-Drop or d-throw a banana on the mesh where the stage connects, the banana will bounce, keeping the banana’s hitbox active (I believe).
OoS Rocket Barrel List: List of stages where this is unpunishable enough to consider.
(still pending)
Slippery Slope: If you have a banana on a slope and Bthrow/Fthrow at the base, you can throw the opponent into the banana, making them trip again and letting you follow up with an attack of your choice. This can often happen on Brinstar, Frigate Orpheon, or Castle Siege.
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Again, if you want to add anything to this list, feel free. Help is always appreciated.
