Some grab frame data

Amazing Ampharos · May 23, 2009

This is the first frame on which the grabs hit for the whole cast. It should be handy to figure out which of your grabs are best and how they compare to other characters.

Character: Standing grab, Running Grab, Pivot Grab
Mario: 6, 12, 11
Luigi: 6, 12, 11
Peach: 6, 6, 13
Bowser: 9, 10, 9
Donkey Kong: 8, 10, 10
Diddy Kong: 6, 10, 8
Yoshi: 17, 11, 10
Wario: 6, 10, 8
Link: 12, 14, 15
Zelda: 12, 11, 14
Sheik: 6, 7, 8
Ganondorf: 7, 11, 10
Toon Link: 12, 14, 15
Samus: 17, 17, 19
Zero Suit Samus: 16, 16, 16
Pit: 6, 10, 9
Ice Climbers: 6, 8, 8
R.O.B.: 6, 9, 10
Kirby: 6, 10, 10
Meta Knight: 6, 8, 7
King Dedede: 6, 9, 7
Olimar: 11, 11, 11
Fox: 6, 11, 9
Falco: 6, 11, 9
Wolf: 6, 11, 9
Captain Falcon: 7, 11, 16
Pikachu: 6, 9, 10
Squirtle: 6, 8, 9
Ivysaur: 13, 13, 13
Charizard: 6, 8, 10
Lucario: 6, 8, 9
Jigglypuff: 6, 10, 10
Marth: 6, 9, 9
Ike: 7, 12, 9
Ness: 6, 8, 6
Lucas: 13, 16, 15
Mr. Game & Watch: 6, 9, 10
Snake: 8, 11, 9
Sonic: 6, 10, 10

I might update this with durations (on whiff) and pummel data later.

Mr. Escalator · May 23, 2009

Ness' results clean up. Good stuff, AA.

_Keno_ · May 23, 2009

ahaha, so pivot grab is a no for peaches, at least speed-wise. Nice of you to get the frame data for everyone.

ShadowLink84 · May 23, 2009

how dd you get your data?

hippiedude92 · May 23, 2009

Is the pivot grab a regular pivot grab? Or is it retreating pivot grab? (look at Bengalrz thread) or is it same frame data no matter what?

You mean to tell me, mario and luigi's pivot grab comes out at frame 11? >_> Wow, I always harassed pivot grabs thought it was pretty fast and long ranged too lol.

Amazing Ampharos · May 23, 2009

All the pivot grabs should be the same (retreating pivot grab is just doing a sliding trick while doing the move "pivot grab"), but I just did normal ones. I don't think, at the most fundamental level, there are any types of grabs other than standing, running, and pivot.

My method of gathering data was to simply test several times in frame by frame mode.

Also, while pivot grabs aren't necessarily fast, they do seem to generally have nice range and recovery (on whiff). Here's the duration data for Mario's grabs:

Mario: 29, 39, 35

Okay, Mario's pivot grab has mediocre frame data across the board... but at least it's faster than his dash grab!

Sosuke · May 23, 2009

I actually didn't know Toon Link's pivot grab was a bit longer.

Maybe I should have.

Tristan_win · May 23, 2009

Sheik grab data is too good, good stuff Ampharos your amazing.

Rogue Pit · May 24, 2009

Could you add lag of the grab if missed? Starting from when the “grab box” disappears to when your character can do whatever.

demonictoonlink · May 24, 2009

Rogue Pit said:
Could you add lag of the grab if missed? Starting from when the “grab box” disappears to when your character can do whatever.

Agreed ^^
That's going to be kind of a ***** to test with tethers...

hippiedude92 · May 25, 2009

Amazing Ampharos said:
All the pivot grabs should be the same (retreating pivot grab is just doing a sliding trick while doing the move "pivot grab"), but I just did normal ones. I don't think, at the most fundamental level, there are any types of grabs other than standing, running, and pivot.

My method of gathering data was to simply test several times in frame by frame mode.

Also, while pivot grabs aren't necessarily fast, they do seem to generally have nice range and recovery (on whiff). Here's the duration data for Mario's grabs:

Mario: 29, 39, 35

Okay, Mario's pivot grab has mediocre frame data across the board... but at least it's faster than his dash grab!

Well, I'm not gonna argue with you. Mario is a medicore character in general, so I shouldn't be surprised. lolol. Though, I always heavily relied on his grab game honestly. I just didn't know the huge gap between him and the other chars.

and massive lol @ Zss frame data.

Pierce7d · May 25, 2009

This is good stuff. Good work AA

Corrupted · May 25, 2009

Loads of characters are better of sheild cancel grabbing than dash grabbing.

Supermodel From Paris · May 25, 2009

Zero Suit Samus: 16, 16, 16 lol

mofo_ · May 26, 2009

hmmmm what about boost grabs?

demonictoonlink · May 27, 2009

God TLs suck... Also, lol at ZSS

mountain_tiger · May 27, 2009

Peach has the weirdest grab frames ever. She has the tie fastest regular grab and dash grab, yet her pivot grab is one of the worst. :dizzy:

I never really use pivot grabbing that much anyway, and this list is encouraging me to continue with that.

Flayl · May 27, 2009

Interesting how Bowser has a faster pivot grab than a large portion of the cast. With Sakurai's balancing logic I would have assumed he was just slower all-around.

Kewkky · May 27, 2009

ZSS's grabs still make me one sad person. I see Kirby's grabs frames are pretty sweet, I knew his grab game was nice (average IMO). And Snake's standing grabs seem faster than frame 8 during an actual match, guessing it's just me.

Those are all that piqued my attention, since those are my characters.

UTDZac · May 27, 2009

Hmm, I knew there was a reason I never learned to pivot grab as G&W.

B!squick · May 27, 2009

Kewkky said:
ZSS's grabs still make me one sad person. I see Kirby's grabs frames are pretty sweet, I knew his grab game was nice (average IMO). And Snake's standing grabs seem faster than frame 8 during an actual match, guessing it's just me.

Those are all that piqued my attention, since those are my characters.

Well, 8 frames is faster than the average human being (I think a gamer can react faster though), which is about 13 frames.

FadedImage · May 28, 2009

the hitbox duration and ending lag would be immensely helpful.

good work on getting this far though!

Brinzy · May 28, 2009

Zelda is such ****.

Poltergust · May 28, 2009

Ivysaur is so unlucky. =O

JUDGE · May 29, 2009

good work
thank's man

Levitas · May 29, 2009

I've got duration on ness/lucas if you want to compile more complete data for all characters.

Ripple · Jun 2, 2009

can you update this with how big each characters grab range is?

LuLLo · Jun 2, 2009

Wow, I knew C.Falcon's pivot sucked, but THIS hard...
But thanks for listing these frames, can be very helpfull in knowing your character more

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And btw, MK's and DDD's frames are absurdly good too, makes you think Sakurai tried to fit in many little advantages to make them top...conspiracy...

Xebenkeck · Jun 2, 2009

6, 8, 6, for Ness, WTF i knew they were good, but not that good. 0_o He has the best combined score if you add all three together. 2nd is Shiek and MK

DanGR · Jun 2, 2009

Zelda... ouch... just as bad as a tether, but without the range.

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