handsockpuppet
Smash Lord
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*sticky plox*
I've been thinking about this for a long time. but I really didn't get anything done. but due to my busy schedule, I haven't gotten anything done yet. still, I feel it is necessary to have right this instant. the main purpose is to get everything in one thread so the noobs can post here rather than making a new thread. But I will also have the basest of info so n00bs aren't confused. Besides having Roy info, it will have Roy boards info.
Sorry if I'm coming out harsh. I used to be a Roy noob, and made stupid posts that I thought were always correct. but recently there's been way too many new threads and posts by people who just joined the boards, and they're not very useful at all. With the permission of the posters, I would like to include the "The new Roy Strategem discussion", "Roy Q & A- Ask Roy players about Roy", and "Advanced Royology!" in this thread. So far there's only some of my posts, but I will edit this later. Please everyone, read this before you make a new thread. also read the Faqs for a more detailed description. And I would suggest you all post here rather than make a new thread, or at least ask permission in this thread. the reason why I'm asking for a sticky on this is because when I made "The Wario "discoveries" thread", it wasn't stickied so eventually died and people went on to making a new thread for every "discovery" they found that we knew about for ages. I would appreciate it if Samich and Arc help me with this.
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Roy boards: RoY hAs tEh pHiRe!!!!!!11!!!!!111!!!!one!!!!!!!uno!!!!! rOy'S oUr bOy RoY iS mAnLy MaRtH iS gAy
now that that's out of the way, please do not make this your post, no matter how funny it may be.
keep in mind Roy noobs
1) Roy sucks, Marth is amazing. Roy is low tier, Marth is top, just barely behind Fox for first
2) Roy is not in Brawl. Get over it. Brawl sucks anyway. and deal with that too, since this is the Melee boards so Melee is superior here.
3) Roy does not have any hidden techniques that you will be the first to find. but you should try anyway.
4) Roy can't combo. almost no hitstun as well as laggy moves with too much knockback and no projectiles.
5) Roy's moveset is extremely limited since he's low tier. here's what you should do and what you should not do.
DON'T: Dash attack, spam fairs (too much fairs. nairs are often better), do a normal (non short-hopped) jump more than twice in a round (really you shouldn't ever do it, but certain times arise), use counter (maybe like once in a match if you're certain they'll attack, just for the mindgames, but no more), use any smash besides Fsmash, spam Fsmash, use the Dair ever, or use the fourth hit of the DED (not DAD Rubyiris. and seriously, you'll almost always only need the first three normal hits. the only exceptions are the four down hits for shield poking, the third up hit for a meteor smash off the edge, and occasionally you can do the fourth up or normal hit as an edgeguard).
DO: CC (crouch cancel. basicly just crouch a lot), spam Dtilts, spam first three normal DED, SHFFL Nairs, use Dtilt to set up SHFFLed Uair juggles, andshieldgrab and JC grab and then try Dthrow>Fsmash at low percentages.
Roy doesn't have anything overly complicated techs all to himself, but he needs to use the basics if you want to get good.
1) Wavedash a lot. Roy has a good wavedash, and it can lead to fast Fsmashes, which by the way is the only good smash he has.
2) SHFFL. SHFFLing is extremely important, because Roy shoul almost always be on the ground and CCing. don't use your full jump more than once in a match. only SHFFL aerials.
3) L-cancel every aerial. Roy's aerials have a lot of lag, but L-cancelling it cuts that lag in half.
4) Tech at every time you can. otherwise you'll be comboed to death.
5) Crouch Cancel (CC). Roy's best setup is his Dtilt, and when CCed a lot it can almost make up for his sucky recovery.
6) dash dance and pivot
7) ledgehog
8) ledgeguard
9) ledgestall
let me tell you righht now. Roy doesn't have many strategies. but if you find one, we'll discuss. here's Rain's original thread:
"Melee is alive and kickin' which means that as Roy players we should have some kind of incentive to make stuff happen. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of things to discuss as of late, seeing as the Melee Metagame has changed once again. (At least from when I started playing in '07.)
Let's talk strategy, matchups, and use of unusual tactics to help improve Roy's personal Metagame. I'll update things as brought up in conversation, here.
Also...seeing as how everyone else is going along with the idea Shakugan and I started with Peach...why don't we make a massive Roy combo vid? I know that Sethlon isn't the only person playing Roy. I want to bring the Roy boards in a new direction. (Sethlon, care to lend a hand? Or anyone for that matter.)
So...I honestly want this to go through as a discussion, and not anything involving how great Roy is, or how much better Marth is. (Remember, SOMEONE is watching.) We know what Roy's real standing in Melee is. Let's just accept it, and move forward.
Let's start this discussion!!!"
Need help Roy newbs? Since I'm one of the most active members here, I'll critique or answer questions (and hopefully rain will too. Sethlon and Exarch, please come back. You're the only good Roys). Rain's original thread:
"Roy Q & A- Ask Roy players about Roy
Okay...this is the Roy help section. In other words...if you need your Roy critiqued, or you just need general Roy help. (different from the stratagem discussion) The Roy players with the know how will more than likely answer your questions. Since it's a pain in the butt for one person to be the answer guru, we'll just have the Roy heads do it.
Knuxrouge's compendium:
Roy's compendium of damage BETA
Roy's damage output for everything except specials (someone else could do them).
I'll organize it better tomorrow, sleepy.
*"Stales to" refers to the lowest possible damage this move can do if fully stale*
JAB
3-4% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 1.
--------------
5-6% Centered-fresh
Stales to 2.
FORWARD TILT
7% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
10-12% Centered-fresh
Stales to 6.
UP TILT
6% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
8% Centered-fresh
Stales to 4.
DOWN TILT
6% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
10% Centered-fresh
Stales to 5-6.
NEUTRAL AIR
4% First Hit, 5% Second Hit Tipped-fresh
Stales to 2 first hit, 3 second hit.
--------------
4% First Hit, 8% Second Hit Centered-fresh
Stales to 2 first hit, 4 second hit.
FORWARD AIR
5% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 2.
--------------
8% Centered-fresh
Stales to 4.
BACK AIR
6% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
9% Centered-fresh
Stales to 4.
UP AIR
6% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
9% Centered-fresh
Stales to 5.
DOWN AIR
6% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
9% Centered-fresh
Stales to 4.
--------------
9% Spiking Sweetspot-fresh
Stales to 5.
FORWARD SMASH
12% Uncharged Tipped-fresh
Stales to 6.
*16% Full Charge*
--------------
20% Uncharged Centered-fresh
Stales to 11.
*27% Full Charge*
DOWN SMASH
14% Uncharged Tipped-fresh
Stales to 7.
*19% Full Charge*
--------------
21% Uncharged Centered-fresh
Stales to 11.
*28% Full Charge*
UP SMASH
12% Total Damage Tipped-fresh
Stales to 6? (pure assumption, all hits may not connect)
*15% Full Charge*
--------------
16% Total Damage Centered-fresh
Stales to 9.
*22% Full Charge*
PUMMEL
3%, Stales to 1.
ALL THROWS EXCEPT FOR DOWN THROW
5%, stales to 2-3.
DOWN THROW
6%, Stales to 3.
Feel free to post vids or ask for advice.
Extremely note-worthy posts will be linked to in the OP. Also, let's not be jerks about other people's Roy playing."
keep in mind guys, this is not like the faqs where you're supposed to stare in awe and type "this thread is amazing" or "thanks for making this". Don't do that here. this is simply to guide newbies.
Once you've checked this out, be sure to check the guides and the videos in the stickied thread.
And for everybody offended, please PM me rather than spamming in this thread or the forums. I will kindly explain to you why Roy is in the tier spot he's in and why his movepool is quite limiting, and whatever else you need clearing up on.
I've been thinking about this for a long time. but I really didn't get anything done. but due to my busy schedule, I haven't gotten anything done yet. still, I feel it is necessary to have right this instant. the main purpose is to get everything in one thread so the noobs can post here rather than making a new thread. But I will also have the basest of info so n00bs aren't confused. Besides having Roy info, it will have Roy boards info.
Sorry if I'm coming out harsh. I used to be a Roy noob, and made stupid posts that I thought were always correct. but recently there's been way too many new threads and posts by people who just joined the boards, and they're not very useful at all. With the permission of the posters, I would like to include the "The new Roy Strategem discussion", "Roy Q & A- Ask Roy players about Roy", and "Advanced Royology!" in this thread. So far there's only some of my posts, but I will edit this later. Please everyone, read this before you make a new thread. also read the Faqs for a more detailed description. And I would suggest you all post here rather than make a new thread, or at least ask permission in this thread. the reason why I'm asking for a sticky on this is because when I made "The Wario "discoveries" thread", it wasn't stickied so eventually died and people went on to making a new thread for every "discovery" they found that we knew about for ages. I would appreciate it if Samich and Arc help me with this.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Roy boards: RoY hAs tEh pHiRe!!!!!!11!!!!!111!!!!one!!!!!!!uno!!!!! rOy'S oUr bOy RoY iS mAnLy MaRtH iS gAy
now that that's out of the way, please do not make this your post, no matter how funny it may be.
keep in mind Roy noobs
1) Roy sucks, Marth is amazing. Roy is low tier, Marth is top, just barely behind Fox for first
2) Roy is not in Brawl. Get over it. Brawl sucks anyway. and deal with that too, since this is the Melee boards so Melee is superior here.
3) Roy does not have any hidden techniques that you will be the first to find. but you should try anyway.
4) Roy can't combo. almost no hitstun as well as laggy moves with too much knockback and no projectiles.
5) Roy's moveset is extremely limited since he's low tier. here's what you should do and what you should not do.
DON'T: Dash attack, spam fairs (too much fairs. nairs are often better), do a normal (non short-hopped) jump more than twice in a round (really you shouldn't ever do it, but certain times arise), use counter (maybe like once in a match if you're certain they'll attack, just for the mindgames, but no more), use any smash besides Fsmash, spam Fsmash, use the Dair ever, or use the fourth hit of the DED (not DAD Rubyiris. and seriously, you'll almost always only need the first three normal hits. the only exceptions are the four down hits for shield poking, the third up hit for a meteor smash off the edge, and occasionally you can do the fourth up or normal hit as an edgeguard).
DO: CC (crouch cancel. basicly just crouch a lot), spam Dtilts, spam first three normal DED, SHFFL Nairs, use Dtilt to set up SHFFLed Uair juggles, andshieldgrab and JC grab and then try Dthrow>Fsmash at low percentages.
Roy doesn't have anything overly complicated techs all to himself, but he needs to use the basics if you want to get good.
1) Wavedash a lot. Roy has a good wavedash, and it can lead to fast Fsmashes, which by the way is the only good smash he has.
2) SHFFL. SHFFLing is extremely important, because Roy shoul almost always be on the ground and CCing. don't use your full jump more than once in a match. only SHFFL aerials.
3) L-cancel every aerial. Roy's aerials have a lot of lag, but L-cancelling it cuts that lag in half.
4) Tech at every time you can. otherwise you'll be comboed to death.
5) Crouch Cancel (CC). Roy's best setup is his Dtilt, and when CCed a lot it can almost make up for his sucky recovery.
6) dash dance and pivot
7) ledgehog
8) ledgeguard
9) ledgestall
let me tell you righht now. Roy doesn't have many strategies. but if you find one, we'll discuss. here's Rain's original thread:
"Melee is alive and kickin' which means that as Roy players we should have some kind of incentive to make stuff happen. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of things to discuss as of late, seeing as the Melee Metagame has changed once again. (At least from when I started playing in '07.)
Let's talk strategy, matchups, and use of unusual tactics to help improve Roy's personal Metagame. I'll update things as brought up in conversation, here.
Also...seeing as how everyone else is going along with the idea Shakugan and I started with Peach...why don't we make a massive Roy combo vid? I know that Sethlon isn't the only person playing Roy. I want to bring the Roy boards in a new direction. (Sethlon, care to lend a hand? Or anyone for that matter.)
So...I honestly want this to go through as a discussion, and not anything involving how great Roy is, or how much better Marth is. (Remember, SOMEONE is watching.) We know what Roy's real standing in Melee is. Let's just accept it, and move forward.
Let's start this discussion!!!"
Need help Roy newbs? Since I'm one of the most active members here, I'll critique or answer questions (and hopefully rain will too. Sethlon and Exarch, please come back. You're the only good Roys). Rain's original thread:
"Roy Q & A- Ask Roy players about Roy
Okay...this is the Roy help section. In other words...if you need your Roy critiqued, or you just need general Roy help. (different from the stratagem discussion) The Roy players with the know how will more than likely answer your questions. Since it's a pain in the butt for one person to be the answer guru, we'll just have the Roy heads do it.
Knuxrouge's compendium:
Roy's compendium of damage BETA
Roy's damage output for everything except specials (someone else could do them).
I'll organize it better tomorrow, sleepy.
*"Stales to" refers to the lowest possible damage this move can do if fully stale*
JAB
3-4% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 1.
--------------
5-6% Centered-fresh
Stales to 2.
FORWARD TILT
7% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
10-12% Centered-fresh
Stales to 6.
UP TILT
6% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
8% Centered-fresh
Stales to 4.
DOWN TILT
6% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
10% Centered-fresh
Stales to 5-6.
NEUTRAL AIR
4% First Hit, 5% Second Hit Tipped-fresh
Stales to 2 first hit, 3 second hit.
--------------
4% First Hit, 8% Second Hit Centered-fresh
Stales to 2 first hit, 4 second hit.
FORWARD AIR
5% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 2.
--------------
8% Centered-fresh
Stales to 4.
BACK AIR
6% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
9% Centered-fresh
Stales to 4.
UP AIR
6% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
9% Centered-fresh
Stales to 5.
DOWN AIR
6% Tipped-fresh
Stales to 3.
--------------
9% Centered-fresh
Stales to 4.
--------------
9% Spiking Sweetspot-fresh
Stales to 5.
FORWARD SMASH
12% Uncharged Tipped-fresh
Stales to 6.
*16% Full Charge*
--------------
20% Uncharged Centered-fresh
Stales to 11.
*27% Full Charge*
DOWN SMASH
14% Uncharged Tipped-fresh
Stales to 7.
*19% Full Charge*
--------------
21% Uncharged Centered-fresh
Stales to 11.
*28% Full Charge*
UP SMASH
12% Total Damage Tipped-fresh
Stales to 6? (pure assumption, all hits may not connect)
*15% Full Charge*
--------------
16% Total Damage Centered-fresh
Stales to 9.
*22% Full Charge*
PUMMEL
3%, Stales to 1.
ALL THROWS EXCEPT FOR DOWN THROW
5%, stales to 2-3.
DOWN THROW
6%, Stales to 3.
Feel free to post vids or ask for advice.
Extremely note-worthy posts will be linked to in the OP. Also, let's not be jerks about other people's Roy playing."
keep in mind guys, this is not like the faqs where you're supposed to stare in awe and type "this thread is amazing" or "thanks for making this". Don't do that here. this is simply to guide newbies.
Once you've checked this out, be sure to check the guides and the videos in the stickied thread.
And for everybody offended, please PM me rather than spamming in this thread or the forums. I will kindly explain to you why Roy is in the tier spot he's in and why his movepool is quite limiting, and whatever else you need clearing up on.
