I just UpB twice with G&W! I can't figure out how I did it.

UTDZac · Jun 23, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQmdzJXy0-Y

I didn't have any cheats loaded, no GeckoOs, no homebrew active. This wasn't online. We were sitting next to each other playing a normal game. Snake doesn't have a windbox anywhere. I didn't take any damage the entire time (no grenade touched me)

I seriously don't know how I did this.

Gates · Jun 23, 2009

It doesn't really look like he footstooled you...

This is very strange.

CO18 · Jun 23, 2009

Why did you try to up+b again in the first place? lol Or did it just come out without you pressing anything.

UTDZac · Jun 23, 2009

CO18 said:
Why did you try to up+b again in the first place? lol Or did it just come out without you pressing anything.

Lol Dphat asked the same question. I told him I've been working on finding a way to UpB infinitely with G&W. I'm getting closer!!!

=)

Veggi · Jun 23, 2009

Can you work on a way to get all Bob-ombs with Peach or infinitely charged FLUDD with Mario?

LuLLo · Jun 23, 2009

Maybe it's the part of the move that you hit with? Try repeating that same sequence and maybe something will show up. Just saying

And it would make sense why this has not been discovered yet, if a G&W has hit with Up-B and thus has used it, why would he do it again?

Hylian · Jun 23, 2009

He footstooled you as you were rising.

DallasPhat · Jun 23, 2009

You're an IC main now hylian, you don't know anything.

Anyways didn't look like a footstool to me. Whenever you figure it out zac tell me how you did it.

nevershootme · Jun 23, 2009

whoever was using snake mashed jump caused an "invisible footstool" (I typically call that,meaning he could be getting a boosted jump but giving no footstool animation for the opponent). therefore granting u the extra up-b to use.

that's my theory so far...

edit: hylian was right in a sense, but he didn't go into the footstool animation. g&w up-b hitbox was way up there as snake get on the spring and into the zone where g&w up-b was traveling, so yea... it happened like that.

blame brawl physics

RT · Jun 23, 2009

Interesting.

Footstool seems like a possible answer.

But it's Brawl, so maybe the game was just being stupid, as usual.

Watch it be like because Snake rolled onto the spring or something.

Hylian · Jun 23, 2009

No, it was a footstool. Zac hit him out of it. Or it's possible jumps produce windboxes.

UTDZac · Jun 23, 2009

I can't see the Snake Footstooling me as I'm rising up to hit him with my UpB. If he footstooled (which would have been the first footstool since he left the ground) then he would have jumped high enough to not get hit.

I'm not convinced it was a footstool, but that's possible.

nevershootme · Jun 23, 2009

Hylian said:
No, it was a footstool. Zac hit him out of it. Or it's possible jumps produce windboxes.

if you look at where snake jumped in the air is where that "footstool" happened, inside where the windbox is. his footstool jump isn't as high as others.

An invisible footstool exists, try doing d-air camping with mk by the opponent's head and you'll see mk rising super high and miss the next d-air

Pierce7d · Jun 23, 2009

Hmm, I'm looking at it closely. The footstool is the only plausible explanation, even though it really doesn't seem like it, and Snake should have avoided the hit if he footstool. I use invincibility footstools on purpose a LOT to escape stuff and this did not look like one. Hylian's solution makes the most sense, but I'm still taking this into the smashlab for a deeper look. Did you save the replay?

UTDZac · Jun 23, 2009

Yes I have the replay still. I can send it to you if you want to analyze it further.

Ruuku · Jun 23, 2009

Snake might have footstooled during G&W's upB's invincibility frames. Either that or it's what Hylian and 8-Bit said.

Fyist · Jun 23, 2009

Yeah ive had this happen to me a handful of times. Its defintely like a phantom footstool or something odd like that.

exdia_16 · Jun 23, 2009

well its like the glitch with marth's double up B when ur playing u really can't tell wat ur doing so he wants to combo snake to keep him in to air then he will do every thing possible to do so. when i play with G&W i tend to do so too. up B THEN Uair then up B again to hit him again (knowing it will not work) i still do it like second nature or some thing its hard to explain so maybe its a glitch. i will probe the game or try to imitate wat he did. to find out this double up B but any way if found out to be done over and over again at will then this will make a great no no no im sorry the best recovery in the game.

<_<

Cook Kirby · Jun 23, 2009

Fyist said:
Yeah ive had this happen to me a handful of times. Its defintely like a phantom footstool or something odd like that.

I'm inclined to agree. If you can discover how this happened, just think of what new tactics can be made. Assuming it wasn't a glitch, of course.

A~Kid/ToonethLinkage · Jun 23, 2009

Brawl physics = WTF?

Lol Brawl is stupid. The color glitch happened to me once 2 days ago and it happened to me TWICE today, both of thos times with Dark Toon Link. lol Brawl fails.

TheStig · Jun 24, 2009

stop trying to make g&w broken, i watched the video of you vs dojo on pirate ship

Mr. Escalator · Jun 24, 2009

Footstool seems to be the only answer, unless you did actually stumble on a new mechanic. I'm betting on Footstool, though.

2Sko · Jun 27, 2009

to me, footstool only looks like the possible answer, u didnt get attacked, so how could there be any other way

White Out · Jun 30, 2009

I don't think it's foot stool i've done a second Up-B after hitting the Hook part of Final destination with a F-Air immeditly after doing up-B i thought nothing of it and thought mabe it was the angle i came from and hit the stage and thought i would never hope to be in that situation again so i didn't think nothing of it but now i'm convinced it has to do with the F-Air and from your video i believe it has something to do with the hitbox slightly above the top of the box near GaW i wish i had a replay

If this is true it won't be broken but usefull in situations such as the one in the video as i believe infinite Up-Bs would and should be banned

UTDZac · Jun 30, 2009

I figured out how I did it.

It was a footstool. You can't see it, but it happened. The snake tried to footstool my UpB attack. Since I was going up at such high speeds I hit him out of his footstool the moment it happened. You can't actually see it unless you slow it down frame-by-frame.

I tried re-creating it and it works. Just spam the jump button and time G&W's UpB so the tip barely hits.

White Out · Jun 30, 2009

=( o well i'll try to figure out how i did mine then i wish i had a replay

Novabound · Jul 8, 2009

White Out said:
=( o well i'll try to figure out how i did mine then i wish i had a replay

Actually, have you seen Wolf use his side-b and it hit the ledge and he just falls? He can use his up-b as well and just sort of "bump" into the ledge without grabbing onto it, and yet he can use his up-b again. I think that is what might have happened to you. That's my theory.

jaggedShrapnel · Jul 10, 2009

The same thing happened to me over a year ago when I was playing against a CPU Snake. I saved the replay and filmed it after reading this thread.

Here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAFlYWn824g

BrianTheLion · Jul 10, 2009

i did a double up into the bottom of smashvill like a week ago and i clearly didnt footstool but i hit him with my first up-b

mastermiind · Jul 14, 2009

instant Bup recovery lol

Xi_Athletics_ix · Jul 14, 2009

Bartuc2029 said:
Actually, have you seen Wolf use his side-b and it hit the ledge and he just falls? He can use his up-b as well and just sort of "bump" into the ledge without grabbing onto it, and yet he can use his up-b again. I think that is what might have happened to you. That's my theory.

My friend plays wolf and he does the same thing with wolf. he calls them his wolf ledge tricks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYdJXeytVo
go to 2:05 and a little further, Pretty sure that's what you're talking about with the side b and bumping the ledge.

jpl315 · Jul 15, 2009

Xi_Athletics_ix said:
My friend plays wolf and he does the same thing with wolf. he calls them his wolf ledge tricks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYdJXeytVo
go to 2:05 and a little further, Pretty sure that's what you're talking about with the side b and bumping the ledge.

yea prolly something like that

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