Olimar: Watering Your Doubles Flower

Tentative title to help you get the jist that this is about Olimar in doubles, i'm recreating it to restart this thread because shrink is dead basically and i felt that this is something, alot of people will learn to look to when time goes on.

Areas I feel we should discuss.

I. Olimar's Role In Doubles
Basically an over view of how he can be played, recovery kinks, things you do/ should be doing with him in general

II. Strategies
There are things that work in singles that may not work "too well" or as "effectively in doubles as they normally would, so here goes what works in doubles in general

III. Teammates
I think this is one of the most important factors in Olimar doubles because I've noticed depending on your partner's character you are going to play more of a certain way, than you would if they played with a different character. Also we can rank(sort of like a tier list) where character "A." stands with Olimar as a doubles partner.

going to come up with a quick guide of how team mate summaries should look like soon.

IV. Stages???
I'm not too sure if this would work or actually be discussed very thoroughly. But if people feel the need to say Olimar in doubles works well on such and such stage then this will become a section.

anybody else notice you can make this joke now.
Our leader is Adolf Hiltler.

Good, perfect timing too. I need help with doubles, anyway the other guide is dead. Most characters that were supposed to be discussed weren't discussed.

Aweome, well I say a great partner for Olimar is Marf.

I think Olimar's basic role in doubles is to just rack up damage (obvious).
An awesome strategy me and my bro found pretty useful is that when he uses Mario and spams fireballs on the ground and short hoping fireballs. I take full jumps and spam pikmins at the opponent. This works best on stages like FD. Either they get hit with the fireball and are open to an attack, or go through the pikmin taking some damage.

I team with a jiggz player I grab and he rests lolol

Perfect strategy, your partner is fox. All u have to do when theres 1 opponent left is u grab, pummel. Then fox shoot his lazers. After the foe is at a decent percentage u grab and fox dashes and upsmashes.

BOB SAGET! said:

Perfect strategy, your partner is fox. All u have to do when theres 1 opponent left is u grab, pummel. Then fox shoot his lazers. After the foe is at a decent percentage u grab and fox dashes and upsmashes.

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You do realize that this isn't always going to be a 2 on 1, right? So you can't always do that.

Straked, it was a joke.

Dotcom said:

anybody else notice you can make this joke now.
Our leader is Adolf Hiltler.

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I dun get it D:

you can whistle alot or just uair like a mofo olimar is bad in teams *shrugs*

Let's find a Wombo Combo!

If your partner is lucario and he is above 90% damage, spam your partner so he can use his down B, and it works great when your partner is cornered by two opponents.

I find teaming with Pikachu is hard. My friend mains it/he/she. Our chemistry isn't so great though.
I find once one of the opponents is out though, its backthrow into thunder. Or forward throw into skullbash. The camping games don't really mesh well IMO.
We tend to single opponents out, occasionally working to combo attack(s) together.

EDIT: Opponents stuck between Pikachu jab and Oli's grab for laughs.

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40% shoryuken kills

I. Olimar's Role In Doubles
Basically an over view of how he can be played, recovery kinks, things you do/ should be doing with him in general

I personally feel olimar is the person who should be sitting back camping, saving his moves for the final hit. He makes an awesome partner to combo with, he is really good at camping, and can kill quickly.

II. Strategies
There are things that work in singles that may not work "too well" or as "effectively in doubles as they normally would, so here goes what works in doubles in general

Spamming your sideb is NOT RECOMMENDED for doubles whatsoever. You do this and you also kill your partner, if you are goign to sideb make sure you are really accurate, your partner isn't there, or you are sniping a white or something. I used to try to camp a lot and i would just end up racking up damage on my partner most of the time.

Look for team combos! This is good for anyone, if someone is off the stage make sure you go right to your partner and one of you grab and the other does whatever while your enemy is still spawning. Olimar is a great combo player, and taking advantage of these situations is very important in any time.

III. Teammates
I think this is one of the most important factors in Olimar doubles because I've noticed depending on your partner's character you are going to play more of a certain way, than you would if they played with a different character. Also we can rank(sort of like a tier list) where character "A." stands with Olimar as a doubles partner.

This....is the hard part. Nearly everyone in the game makes a difficult partner for olimar. This game is more about teamwork and acknowledging your partner and relying on him. You need to make sure he saves you from getting gimped, saves you AFTER you get gimped (like metaknight with his upair), and to just make sure you don't get knocked the hell around.

Top choices I would prefer....

1) Metaknight -- MK is just amazing, he is quick, strong, can kill, and his ABILITY TO SAVE YOU FROM BEING GIMPED is just ********. I haven't been gimped when I had a good MK partner, he always drops down and uairs me so I live. Make sure your partner is well aware of any problematic situation.

2) Marth -- Marth is a VERY quick killer, he is very mobile and has great spacing tools. Let him do all the work for you and you just go in for the team combo or the kill moves. Don't let your partner get beaten around too much though ^_^ Your role in this is to stock tank

3) Lucas -- Don't really have much to say about this, but for some reason every Lucas I team with, regardless of skill level, makes a really awesome partner for me. Maybe someone can explain this? :o

4) Yoshi -- My partner is Green Ace, so maybe it's just my situation. We both play aggressive camping in this matchup, preferable on the same side of the stage with the enemies away from us. I just spam grab and he throws eggs past us, which creates an almost impassable wall. As long as you and your partner understand each others playstyles almost anything is possible.

:::I WOULD STAY AWAY FROM:::

1) Snake -- As current snake metagame evolves, a lot of it has to do with his grenades. This leads to most snake players using grenades way too much, especially for doubles. Every time I team with a snake I'm getting hit by explosions, their C4, just about anything he does. This is a very possible team and can go a long way, as long as both players understand it's doubles, and that you both are ready to watch out for random explosions. Snake and olimar make great team combos as far as grab kills, double teaming, and can both fend for themselves if it turns into a 1on1 situation. Just make sure you and your partner understand each other and communicate! If you do have a snake partner, when 2on1, snake dthrows and tech chases normal get up and away, you just stand there and charge a dsmash it's amazing xD

Snake I still do decently with, but it's very difficult. Other than that, there isn't really any "bad" teammates I can think of at the moment :X

IV. Stages???
I'm not too sure if this would work or actually be discussed very thoroughly. But if people feel the need to say Olimar in doubles works well on such and such stage then this will become a section.

I personally feel every large stage (halberd, final destination, jungle japes, lylat, etc.) works VERY well for olimar in doubles. He's able to run around like he can in singles without the risk of falling into friendly fire from your partner. The closer everyone is together, the more hectic it gets. You can split apart your enemies pretty easily and can be careful not to get gimped because there is more space to move around.

***FINAL NOTES***

I love playing as olimar in doubles. The biggest point I'de like to make is that you and your partner MUST COMMUNICATE! Communication is the biggest thing, especially having olimar as a partner. Every time you are off the stage, or think you are gonna get knocked off, inform your partner. Getting gimped in doubles is very easy and can happen very unexpectedly. Don't try to pikmin spam, try to be accurate if you are using sideb and not to latch onto your partner. The only time I can consider latching onto a partner is to activate a counter-ability; lucario marth and ike, which can be very deadly if you communicate nicely.

You can always just grab release between the two of you until they're dead lol.

olimar and sonic is a good team

Peach and also use her counter when she's latched. She also gets pikmin off easily in case you get her with >B.

How many of u guys believe snake is a good partner for oli?

I would say no, because on a small stage you're bound to be F-tilted to death by your partner. Also because Snake's use C4s and etc, basically what the other dude said about it just not being compatible. Too much friendly fire would become of that team.

So umm as of now I'll just jog discussions as to what partners I think are good for Olimar. Mainly I look for people that can kill easy, are not "easily" gimped, and or can save you without putting themselves in too much danger. SO basically I'm looking at the top tier of Olimar teammates, and I'm backing all of these up with arguments. BUT, I don't really know where to rank them so I'll just go in alphabetically. Everything i say is from a personal experience so feel free to call me on it.

D3: The Big guy. Okay so mainly D3 looks for in a teammate someone that can deal with his bad match ups, because for the most part he can
deal with ours. MK's are somewhat of hindrance to the team, but as long as you can both handle your own against them, you should both feel fine. D3 has the ability to tie up someone giving your problems with his chaingrab, or throws with good knock back giving you more of a good opportunity to 2v1 someone very often and it's very easy to kill with your Upsmash or his uptilt, and you can infinite many people because of his grab range. D3 provides a solid team partner in that you can throw Pikmin around and camp and he'll still protect you because he's a big target to have to get through, before someone can attack you, and because he's so heavy he can take more of a beating than you can anyway. He won't be getting gimped very often, but you can usually for see risky situations because of how predictable his recovery is. Basically what I'm saying is when you think he's about to get gimped either say something or do something about it, you can usually up B anything approaching towards him if he's coming high, or try to do something about another person if he's coming low. Just remember to be Vocal with all of your partners(this helps a lot in doubles) D3 is also pretty good in the air so he can often save you from a risky situation, or actually he can help you if you've used pikmin chain to get back to the stage. If he's under you his Upair will send you up, or he could use fair on the opposite side of the death wall to send you back towards the stage.



GnW: Yes, Olimar works well with black men and I'm proud of him for it(see i'm black). I've done this team with Vex Kasrani and we've beat Boss and P-S(in two different sets)taking second to G-Reg and Plank, and NinjaLink and Andy have done this and taken first ,they even have videos up I think. I think GnW is one of Olimar's overall best partners like in the top 3 or so if he isn't first. Most of the same things work that work with D3. Mk's are still somewhat of a problem but you both should be experienced in the match - up and try to get it to 2 1v1's if you both feel you can handle it. He's a monster in the air making, up for all of your priority issues with his great priority. Every smash he has is a decent kill move, so a couple of pikmin, a grab, and a smash can pretty much take someone's stock. He can save you easily with Upair and it propels you really far if he actually hits you with the attack. You don't really have to worry about where you throw your pikmin, since GnW is less of a target to hit with yours if you aren't really aiming. 2v1's end really easy if he charges Upsmash instead of you doing it, because I think it's either as strong or maybe a bit stronger than purple, when it's sweet spotted. The Only problem with this deal is that you two are both light characters so you may have some problems with people who hit hard, like say a double snake team(that'd suck). But if you both know your stuff, and have good chemistry you can do really well together.



Snake: YAY! This is personal but I have fun teaming with Snake, seems childish but for fun my partner gives me grenades so i can make stuff go BOOM! ...

Okay in all seriousness though Snake, if you both have good chemistry(that's really important with snake) you can do something special. With Snake things get more match up dependent he can deal with every single one of your bad matcups he goes in on: Marth, Luigi, and Peach. With MK it depends how the snake plays he has to use explosives a lot so you want to generally give the Snake space so he can work his stuff. On smaller stages this gets harder, but on no stage is this impossible but this team actually works well when you stick together. When you are both camping to fight you work very well with him behind you throwing grenades, and you in front tossing pikmin. Any approach can be shut down, grounded approaches can be grabbed, with the missed grabs being picked up by a Snake Dash(just sidestep when you know he's about to do it.) Aerial approaches you should try to pikmin chain, and when they try to capitalize on you, BOOM! (okay i really like saying Boom so sue me.) You tend to work better on larger stages so keep that in mind if you decide to try this. One of my favorite things about this matchup is the easiness at which everything flows. Snake has a great grab game if they know how to use it, for example his Dthrow tech chases. You both can "lead" them into doing what you want them to do by placing yourselves in certain positions, for example if you want them to roll right just stand on the left of where they would be if they rolled left after the Dthrow. Either they roll right and get re-grabbed, do a get up attack and either get shielded or punished by you, or roll left anyways and you grab them. You can be saved up until a certain percent be grenades and C4. If you're falling to your doom after Pikmin chain(i love doing this in singles when they try showing off hee hee) and a grenade is thrown at you off stage if you follow the path of the grenade and it hits you, the explosion will send you far enough back towards the stage, that either you will get back on the stage, or you can pikmin chain again. The same works with C4. Also you have little tricks you can work in with c4, let them plant a c4 on you and fight soimeone, after you have planted it on them switch opponents the Snake will realize what you have done, and they can blow the other person up at will.


Will go back and clean this.
Argument is wanted.

Snake is good as long as u don't kill him and vice versa. If everything is timed correctly and u don't kill each other then olimar and snake is a good duo.

Yes niggga yesss.
IDK if that's all i'm going to put on the first page, but this will go on.

I feel as though Fino's experience teaming up with my ROB has him a bit biased... NAW lawl olirob is raep.

You're forgetting pikmin latching people's backs while they're stuck in rob's dtilts, and then fairing them should they manage to roll out of the dtlits...

And can't olimar with a gyro glide toss into upsmash?

At the end where Fino gives the tip that your opponent should GTFO, I don't think that would apply to Peach.

If your teammate is Peach and she's floating all the time, she won't ever get hit by your attacks. Fsmash it too low, usmash is outprioritized, she floats over the grabs, etc.

She seems like a good partner because while she's daircomboing the opponent you can usmash them without worrying about Peach getting hit by the usmash.

Peach can float just above Olimar and not hit him with dair. And why would I be using fsmash? It was so that Olimar could get an usmash kill while she's applying pressure with dair.

Fino said:

Correct, if she's not dairing, then she won't hit him with dair? Otherwise if she is using dair, and she is above olimar, and olimar is not hit, that would be a peach with very poor spacing.


You're not going to be in a position where peach is hitting someone with dair and you can upsmash. Again, if you were to even try to do that it would be a mistake and poor spacing on peach's part. At a height where that is possible peach won't be even able to dair 70% of the cast.

The reason you are fsmashing is because it is "too low" to hit peach when she is "floating around all over the place" (like you said in your previous post. I was merely pointing out that at peach's best floating height for pressuring opponents, olimar's fsmash will hit her.


~Fino

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Peach's best height for applying pressure to the opponent is at the top of their shield or height. She's depleting their shield with dair while not being able to worry about being shieldgrabbed. At this height she is not only applying pressure but keeping herself safe from most options.

Now, Peach does not need to be floating over the usmash hitbox to avoid being hit by it. It seems you think that Peach should be completely avoiding this hitbox of usmash, at a height where she obviously can't attack most of the cast. But Peach doesn't need to avoid the hitbox. While she is dairing the usmash will not hit her. Usmash does not go through her dair. Peach is safe while dairing. Olimar would be kept safe from the dair if Peach is floating at a height where it will not directly hit Olimar. At that height, she can hit anyone with dair if they are taller than Olimar. Which is most of the cast iirc.

Ok, I'll look at those posts.

Fino said:

Again, if you were to even try to do that it would be a mistake and poor spacing on peach's part.

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Tell me the correct spacing for a floating Peach. Because you don't seem to know it.

Fino said:

At a height where that is possible peach won't be even able to dair 70% of the cast.

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How can Peach not dair 70% of the cast? It's not that high. She can float low enough to hit them but high enough to not hit Olimar.

How don't you understand this?

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(I'll edit this. I just needed to mention it.)

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I - I don't know about you guys, but my role in doubles is to stay the hell away from the edges.
II - Less camping, more juggling.
III - Meta Knight, Wario, ROB, Marth, Kirby, Peach, Luigi.
IV - I think Olimar should use his partner's strong stages.

Fino said:

He teamed with one of the top sonic mains in the nation (espy). But they beat Co18 and Lain in a set (last match on RC =] )


~Fino

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AND DOMO AND AFFINITY <3

its a good team

Olimar falco is a solid team. I was holding down a TV for a while with that combo.

Falco just stands behind olimar SH DLing and Olimar doesnt even have to duck. he just ***** when they get hit by lasers. obviously it wont be the ONLY thing you do, but it definitely works.