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Yoshi v. Jigglypuff
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This is the thread for discussion on the Yoshi v. Jigglypuff matchup.
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I think its even, from playing meta (wifi but i get the jist) and i played DSF in low tiers (best jigglypuff in the world XD). Jigglypuff punishes eggs really bad, floats around, and can usually string a few hits together with good prediction. Grabs are a no unless its a pivot grab, you gotta play extremely safe, while still maintaining a lot of pressure when she is on the ground (against DSF, the SH bair to retreating egg lay was workig very well as a pressure technique).
JIggs dies really early, but dont be spamming kill moves in kill percents, you gotta be very patient.
JIggs dies really early, but dont be spamming kill moves in kill percents, you gotta be very patient.
I think it's 55:45 Yoshi's favour.
While Jigglypuff probably has a superior aerial game and can juggle Yoshi, she has trouble killing and dies extremely fast.
Once her moves are stale, there's no much else Jigglypuff can do. Yoshi survives for a bit longer, and we can kill easier too. Not by much, but it still counts for something.
A Jigglypuff that spaces well is a nightmare. Yoshi will get juggled and the damage will rack up quickly.
Yoshi should approach carefully, Bair, Rising Nair, and FTilt. Basically, pressure Jigglypuff on the ground, and space good as well.
I think Yoshi has a lot more applications, and is a better character overall, hence the slight advantage in this matchup.
I played a few Jigglypuffs, but I'm not very knowledgeable in this matchup. This is merely what I've noticed several times on many different occasions.
I'm interested to hear what Metatitan and Auroreon have to say, both I presume to be familiar with this matchup.
While Jigglypuff probably has a superior aerial game and can juggle Yoshi, she has trouble killing and dies extremely fast.
Once her moves are stale, there's no much else Jigglypuff can do. Yoshi survives for a bit longer, and we can kill easier too. Not by much, but it still counts for something.
A Jigglypuff that spaces well is a nightmare. Yoshi will get juggled and the damage will rack up quickly.
Yoshi should approach carefully, Bair, Rising Nair, and FTilt. Basically, pressure Jigglypuff on the ground, and space good as well.
I think Yoshi has a lot more applications, and is a better character overall, hence the slight advantage in this matchup.
I played a few Jigglypuffs, but I'm not very knowledgeable in this matchup. This is merely what I've noticed several times on many different occasions.
I'm interested to hear what Metatitan and Auroreon have to say, both I presume to be familiar with this matchup.
I think this is definitely in Yoshi's favor, I haven't played Meta's jiggs though, but I had no problem playing DSF's and Tyrant and Havok's jiggs whatsoever despite them having Yoshi experience with burnt socks. Just stay in the air as much as possible to avoid being tripped. I even survived Jiggs' fmash half way charged AND fresh at 130% because yoshi is much too heavy for jiggs. I really don't see anything Jiggs has going for her here....60:40 yoshi. I even prefer this matchup to using peach vs jiggs, i'd go yoshi in tourney.
how does jiggs juggle yoshi? you can smash DI/wiggle out of any jiggs hit and respond with a neutral air before she can follow up. Yoshi's up air protects yoshi from being edgeguarded what soever, if you come from under and up air as you come up, jiggs has to avoid it and while she avoids it you'd jumped to safety.
On average when I play a jiggs, I kill her at 100% but she kills me at roughly 210%. If the Yoshi has really good DI I canoooot see him losing this matchup.
One of my favorite things to do is bait rests and then just run away or jump+ airdodge away. Free upsmash which is a kill. One of my favorite combos to punish a jiggs that misses an early rest is falling up air to upsmash. Learn to bait a rest and jiggs will be extremely scared to try them or will try it and yoshi punishes a missed rest extremely hard. Just make yourself appear like you didn't DI or are in hitstun animation, it's fairly obvious when a jiggs player wants to rest you. Just be ready for it and bait 'em. If they don't really rest you at all forget about it and play normal.
how does jiggs juggle yoshi? you can smash DI/wiggle out of any jiggs hit and respond with a neutral air before she can follow up. Yoshi's up air protects yoshi from being edgeguarded what soever, if you come from under and up air as you come up, jiggs has to avoid it and while she avoids it you'd jumped to safety.
On average when I play a jiggs, I kill her at 100% but she kills me at roughly 210%. If the Yoshi has really good DI I canoooot see him losing this matchup.
One of my favorite things to do is bait rests and then just run away or jump+ airdodge away. Free upsmash which is a kill. One of my favorite combos to punish a jiggs that misses an early rest is falling up air to upsmash. Learn to bait a rest and jiggs will be extremely scared to try them or will try it and yoshi punishes a missed rest extremely hard. Just make yourself appear like you didn't DI or are in hitstun animation, it's fairly obvious when a jiggs player wants to rest you. Just be ready for it and bait 'em. If they don't really rest you at all forget about it and play normal.
Metatitan
Smash Master
It's probably yoshi's favor, jigglypuff's metagame hasnt advanced in months. I'll play some friendlies against Bwett tomorrow. For some reason everyone thinks my jiggs is good ;o. Probly cuz they get rested by me LOL. If you space yourself correctly you shouldn't be getting rested.
Metatitan
Smash Master
The matchup is without question in yoshi's favor, 60:40 for now and eventually it will get better and better. Jigglypuff's metagame is at a stalemate: she does not have the potential to improve anymore than she is already. She doesn't have the options to really advance her metagame.
Yoshies: space yourself to avoid rest interupts (as if anyone but me does those anymore >_>) and use up smash all you want until say 60%. Read her movements with pivot grabs and force an approach with eggs. Do not use eggs at mid ranges, she can just airdodge past you and grab you. Never up smash her shield, she can jump out and rest you. Keep her at bay with pivot grabs and now and again pressure her and go massively offensive so that it throws her off. Jigglypuff is light so yoshi has no KO issues here.
Jigglypuffs: Airdodge past pivot and egg camp. If the yoshi reads you instead of mindlessly spamming grabs (like 90% of them do) then there's not much you can do. Learn to jump out of your shield and rest, it is highly effective in the matchup. Stop using Fair at like 60% (same rule as yoshi basically) and learn to read his air movements with DACUS. If he tries to wall you with Bair, simply pound through it.
That's pretty much all I can say atm. It used to be even but yoshi's metagame continues to advance (because he has options) and jigglypuffs continues to stand still (because 60% of her attacks are useless). She'd be your worst nightmare if she had range or a ground game (or great aerial to ground transitions). Just space yourselves and punish hard.
Yoshies: space yourself to avoid rest interupts (as if anyone but me does those anymore >_>) and use up smash all you want until say 60%. Read her movements with pivot grabs and force an approach with eggs. Do not use eggs at mid ranges, she can just airdodge past you and grab you. Never up smash her shield, she can jump out and rest you. Keep her at bay with pivot grabs and now and again pressure her and go massively offensive so that it throws her off. Jigglypuff is light so yoshi has no KO issues here.
Jigglypuffs: Airdodge past pivot and egg camp. If the yoshi reads you instead of mindlessly spamming grabs (like 90% of them do) then there's not much you can do. Learn to jump out of your shield and rest, it is highly effective in the matchup. Stop using Fair at like 60% (same rule as yoshi basically) and learn to read his air movements with DACUS. If he tries to wall you with Bair, simply pound through it.
That's pretty much all I can say atm. It used to be even but yoshi's metagame continues to advance (because he has options) and jigglypuffs continues to stand still (because 60% of her attacks are useless). She'd be your worst nightmare if she had range or a ground game (or great aerial to ground transitions). Just space yourselves and punish hard.
If Jiggly had a quicker forward smash and a few good jabs she'd be a beast.
Metatitan
Smash Master
Jigglypuff needs hitstun to compensate for her lack of range. If she had enough hitstun to make Fair-Fair or Bair-Bair a true combo, then she would be middle tier. To be high tier she would need multiple kill moves because one would get too predictable =/
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poekmon
Jiggly's slow falling speed a makes it very easy for Yoshi to just grab her when she descends toward him. Try it, it works pretty well.
Metatitan
Smash Master
Jigglypuff is similar to kirby except she sucks. The only reason why the matchup isn't that far off from kirby is because unlike him, she can actually comfortably approach thanks to her fast horizontal speed. But she's kind of easy to read xD
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Meta's pretty much right. Jigglypuff is like a worse Kirby but with more air speed but less kill power. If you can get a stock lead, just add in chip damage and play extremely safe and you pretty much win.
I say camp her to death!
I say camp her to death!
Although I don't no much about this match up, arn't eggs harder to dodge when the opponents in the air. I say camp. =w= Jigglypuff doesn't really have any good ways of closing in on us.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Camping doesn't necessarily mean throwing eggs. Just force her to approach with a lead and beat her crap options.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
I have experience here, I played friendlies with a jiggs main for about 2 hours straight about 2 weeks ago. All yoshi has to do is throw eggs when shes far away, and because she must approach from the air, try and get under her approach with an up air. If she's low to the ground evade and wait for an open spot to bair, nair, uair, whatever, she's pretty laggy. Also our GR leads into a free uair so pivot grabbing her approach can = free damage or an easy kill. Overall, if we just evade, camp, and space, we can easily shut her down. We are slightly faster in the air and much faster on the ground, so we can maneuver around her wall of pain far easier than most of the cast. Also, just so you have a jiggs point of view, here's that jiggs main's comment her after our match:
So basically, if we play gay, we **** her hard lol
I thought you played 2 hours straight? you can't tell me this worked for you everytime because this doesn't work On-Stage.
Metatitan
Smash Master
Delta you can't really camp jiggs.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Well, we also don't have to approach.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
As a mix up >.>
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
A mix up from what? It should never work, ever.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
It does if you try to get them in a habid of doing something such as air dodge then uair after it when they do. Worked for me 2 or 3 times
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
They should be airdodging as they double jump away.
It should never work.
It should never work.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Fine ill put it this way, it can be used to punish mistakes, thats when i ended up landing it. It's just that they seem to get a little frustrated from not being able to land much on yoshi and end up making more stupid decisions than usual
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Yes, frustration will do that.
Modded statement meets approval.
Modded statement meets approval.
~Firefly~
Smash Hero
So, we have a grab-release frustration-induced Uair punish when they're stupid enough to fall into it?
Sweet.
Sweet.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
And it kills around 90% :D
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Good luck getting a grab on Jigglypuff in that circumstance, though. She's got enough air control to avoid it completely.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Maybe if she misses with rest you can slowly push her over to the edge and then do it :D
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Or charge an Fsmash or something.
Does anyone even play Jigglypuff?
Does anyone even play Jigglypuff?
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
I do in brawl minus
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Deleted member
Guest
I play jiggs.
Btw jiggs camps yoshi a lot harder than yoshi camps jiggs.
Its yoshis favor prolly 40:60, but if jiggs gets an advantage yoshi is in trouble.
Jiggs runs clock better than MK.
Also, shield camping with jiggs is pretty nasty, at mid range yoshi cant do that much because jiggs has dat nair OOS punish, and grab is awful
Btw jiggs camps yoshi a lot harder than yoshi camps jiggs.
Its yoshis favor prolly 40:60, but if jiggs gets an advantage yoshi is in trouble.
Jiggs runs clock better than MK.
Also, shield camping with jiggs is pretty nasty, at mid range yoshi cant do that much because jiggs has dat nair OOS punish, and grab is awful
Metatitan
Smash Master
I did waaaay back when but I doubt the MU has changed any.
indigestible_wad
Smash Lord
I'm horrible at jiggs if that counts for anything.
bigman40
Smash Master
You have a 3 frame window to Uair Jiggs from grab release on stage.
