The CIN Gimp: A Situational Almost-Any%-To-Death

Ingulit · Jul 5, 2009

My friend never posts on Smashboards, so because he really wanted me to post this here, I'll be the liaison. While he won't admit it, be we know he mains Falcon at heart. We were playing some friendlies a while back when he pulled this ~~combo~~ gimp off against me the first time, and we thought it was an amazing fluke for him to have done it. Fast forward to later that day, when he and I were just playing at my house, and he manages to do it AGAIN, leading to both a boisterous exclamation from both of us (even though I got owned) and curiosity as to whether or not it's legit. It's super situational, and would probably rarely be useful (if ever), but because of the inclusion of a wall spike, we believe this would be a to-death combo from any percent if pulled off correctly (please scrutinize as much as you can! We could very well be wrong). Plankers and ledge-hangers beware!

Without further ado, the CIN ~~Combo~~ Gimp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wDIfDC_hA8

P.S.- Formally known as the CIN Combo. Changed by popular demand.

P.S.- He doesn't like that we all started calling it the CIN ~~Combo~~ Gimp, but it was catchy.

As has been mentioned, this ~~combo~~ gimp does not work at lower percents, and the victim can tech the Wall Spike to escape. If they don't tech, it should work.

velasool · Jul 6, 2009

not to be rude
isnt a combo a string of attacks

btw this was a great edge guard :D

maybe we can call it the CIN Gimp, i presonally call these types of techniques "gutter slamming"

Ingulit · Jul 6, 2009

velasool said:
not to be rude
isnt a combo a string of attacks

btw this was a great edge guard :D

maybe we can call it the CIN Gimp, i presonally call these types of techniques "gutter slamming"

Well, the string is Sourspot F-Air (Wall Spike) > Footstool. I couldn't do anything to avoid the Footstool, while when he didn't Footstool me I could survive. The inescapable string (therefore combo) is what kills you.

And I'm very afraid to be anywhere near the ledge now while I'm facing him X| Man we went crazy when he did it the second time.

EDIT: Oshi- 300 posts

Blahblahwutever · Jul 6, 2009

can't you tech it?

Ingulit · Jul 6, 2009

Blahblahwutever said:
can't you tech it?

Can you tech walls like Battlefield's that are sloped downwards? They're they only ones that will bounce you the right direction. It'd be like teching a DK Cargo Wall Spike.

Vlade · Jul 6, 2009

Yeah it's definitely possible to tech the stage spike.

Zeallyx · Jul 6, 2009

Ingulit said:
Can you tech walls like Battlefield's that are sloped downwards? They're they only ones that will bounce you the right direction. It'd be like teching a DK Cargo Wall Spike.

It can be teched. No doubt.

still pretty nice imo.

Mit · Jul 6, 2009

Pretty nice gimp. Not sure why I never thought of doing that flub knee in the first place. It might not be too hard to get, especially since if your opponent sees you going past them, they're going to be obligated to let off the ledge and chase you for a gimp.

Red-Blue · Jul 6, 2009

Techable, and does not work at low %. Still very nice.

Lionman · Jul 6, 2009

CIN Combo?

WTF?

Thats only a spike to a footstool, a common move in this game

Pichu4SSB4 · Jul 6, 2009

This is not a combo, it's a gimp. But it's still good if you perform it.

Ingulit · Jul 6, 2009

Okay... CIN Gimp. I can see what you all were saying now.

I honestly did not know if you could tech walls like that or not, so thank you for correcting me. I should've tried against him!

I've added the does-not-work-at-low-percents and the fact that you can wall tech to escape to the OP. Of course, not everyone is going to wall tech all the time (especially the first time they are hit by this; they're not looking for it), so it could be useful as a mix-up.

Zeallyx · Jul 6, 2009

A stagespike will finish the opponent at the percents this works around anyway. And if not, edgehog for the KO.

And if you play metaknight (or any other char that may recover at said percents). Dont even attempt this.

No matter how you look at this, the footstool is unessissary.

And the positive reactions this thread has gotten,

Dekar173 · Jul 6, 2009

Knee, if they land the knee without a tech, the footstool is guaranteed due to the HUGE (relative to Brawl that is :O) amount of hitstun it puts them into. The footstool ONLY sets you up for good things against most of the cast (minus floaties, and those with enormous recoveries).

Use all of the tools at your disposal, including this one. If you find that your opponent is very fond of

FF ledge > DJ > fair

or anything of the like, this can be very useful imo.

OP called it situational for a reason =O

†Slader7† · Jul 6, 2009

nice gimp but I would say that wouldn't the person hanging off the ledge see it coming? if not the knee but an attack?

Player-3 · Jul 6, 2009

imo you should ask tenki about stage spikes

i hear he stage spiked an olimar with a KNEE
then a falcon punch
in the same match

DanGR · Jul 6, 2009

edit: I'm too frustrated to be posting right now.

Ignore this.

Zeallyx · Jul 7, 2009

Dekar173 said:
Knee, if they land the knee without a tech, the footstool is guaranteed due to the HUGE (relative to Brawl that is :O) amount of hitstun it puts them into. The footstool ONLY sets you up for good things against most of the cast (minus floaties, and those with enormous recoveries).

Use all of the tools at your disposal, including this one. If you find that your opponent is very fond of

FF ledge > DJ > fair

or anything of the like, this can be very useful imo.

OP called it situational for a reason =O

ugh.
People need to keep in mind that opponents DI. If they DI only slightly in another direction as you predict, you Footstool will miss.

And dont attempt stage spikes if they dont KO..its dangerous as you, too, are offstage when attempting one.
And a stagespike is never guaranteed. Let alone the footstool (which can be avoided by a tech or unpredicted DI).

Ingulit · Jul 7, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
ugh.
People need to keep in mind that opponents DI. If they DI only slightly in another direction as you predict, you Footstool will miss.

And dont attempt stage spikes if they dont KO..its dangerous as you, too, are offstage when attempting one.
And a stagespike is never guaranteed. Let alone the footstool (which can be avoided by a tech or unpredicted DI).

You're right, this really doesn't work. Thanks for this, though; I was looking for what the community would think about this. So, it's not very useful, though you have to admit it looks good when you pull one off

As for the person on the ledge thing, the first time my friend did it to me I was jumping down from the ledge to do a F-Air to get back on the stage, and he stage spiked me > Footstool. The second time I *should* have seen him coming while I was on the ledge, so yes, I should've been able to avoid that.

I did live once when he stage spiked me like this at around the same percents when he didn't try to follow up with a Footstool. When he tried the footstool, well... That's when the trouble started

I guess this thread is over now, unless someone makes this viable/useful somehow for anything but flashyness.

Wogrim · Jul 7, 2009

I sometimes do this (not the footstool part) but with the back end of UAir, because you go over them so it's hard for them to hit you with anything, and they often don't even realize it's going to hit them if they stay hanging onto the ledge (for those I hadn't done it on before). Example: end of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y0PgdjI8lA

I think their best option is usually to ledge roll, because 2nd-jump aerial or Falcon Dive can catch pretty much anything else.

HizoSturm · Jul 7, 2009

couldnt you just do up-b on them while they are on the ledge?

nash123 · Jul 7, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
And the positive reactions this thread has gotten,

I find it ironic that you of all people says this considering pretty much all your threads are useless.

Zeallyx · Jul 7, 2009

nash123 said:
I find it ironic that you of all people says this considering pretty much all your threads are useless.

Not really.
I have a stickied thread and more discoveries than you'll ever have.

bye.

Player-3 · Jul 7, 2009

naw hes right knee, this whole board is useless

just cuz its not MK or snake

or ICs fo that matter

Zeallyx · Jul 7, 2009

Player-3 said:
naw hes right knee, this whole board is useless

just cuz its not MK or snake

or ICs fo that matter

that is true.
But thats because of how bad of a character falcon is.

People who try to advance a bad metagame (people like me) may be fighting a desided battle, but at least we try.

Cant say that about nash.

10lolnash's

Mit · Jul 7, 2009

I think stuff like this is more useful than half the stuff we find that actually "works".

Who cares if it's possible for them to tech the stage or DI the footstool, what are the chances they actually do that? It's likely that they won't be expecting it, and when they aren't expecting it, 95% of people do not manage to tech stagespikes. And if they haven't seen the particular move string before, it's likely they won't be aware they can DI the footstool either.

This is something that could actually be put to use in a Falcon main's playstyle, and not something to store away in the back of their head for those very, very rare situations where we have random 'real' combos that can work.

Zeallyx · Jul 8, 2009

Mit said:
I think stuff like this is more useful than half the stuff we find that actually "works".

Who cares if it's possible for them to tech the stage or DI the footstool, what are the chances they actually do that? It's likely that they won't be expecting it, and when they aren't expecting it, 95% of people do not manage to tech stagespikes. And if they haven't seen the particular move string before, it's likely they won't be aware they can DI the footstool either.

This is something that could actually be put to use in a Falcon main's playstyle, and not something to store away in the back of their head for those very, very rare situations where we have random 'real' combos that can work.

This thread is about something which's exactly like what you described in what I bolded in your post^.

F5Hazardousdoc · Jul 8, 2009

yeah, my friend did this to me when I was using Fox? the other day. Except no footstool. I prefer doing it the opposite direction though <_<;

Flub knee while facing stage > falcon dive is safer for recovery

besides, run off bair is faster methinks...

nash123 · Jul 8, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
Not really.
I have a stickied thread and more discoveries than you'll ever have.

bye.

Discoveries that are all useless like this one.

F5Hazardousdoc · Jul 8, 2009

nash123 said:
Discoveries that are all useless like this one.

Better than nothing.

Go away, troll, we're all out of cake.

Mit · Jul 8, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
This thread is about something which's exactly like what you described in what I bolded in your post^.

This is an option you can use whenever your opponent grabs the ledge or planks or anything, which should happen numerous times within a match. Wtf are you talking about.

Red-Blue · Jul 8, 2009

donuts yum

velasool · Jul 9, 2009

I agree with knee, we as captain falcon players are fighting in a battle totally against our odds
captain falcon players can't go into a higher tier matchup and expect to win, however as things are progressing we might find a utility to abuse (similar to G&W)?
as far as high tier i don't see a future for the beloved captain, but we can improve his tournament results :D

Red-Blue · Jul 9, 2009

velasool said:
captain falcon players can't go into a higher tier matchup and expect to win

velasool said:
captain falcon players can't go into any match-up and expect to win

Fixed.

Albeit, once you accept that Falcon is straight up horrible, you can only play for lulz. And lulz > MK. Try it.

Player-3 · Jul 9, 2009

captain falcon is 80/20 advantage on mk

serious bisnes

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