Zodiark
Smash Apprentice
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Lucas Stage Discussion Thread - Rediscussing: Castle Siege
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heytallman
CTALL
I use Stadium 2 as one of my main CP's for Lucas. Several of the transformations are good for him. As I'm sure it's been said before:
Ice: running upsmash/walking dsmash/stutterstep fsmash **** here.
Wind: hit somebody into the air and chase with PKT.
Electric: cancel the lag on upsmash, and immediately uair, should someone be off the stage down low.
ground: standing on the tip of the dirt mound gives dsmash really good range.
All in all, a very good counterpick, considering Corneria is banned EVERYWHERE now. If I have to CP as Lucas, this is where I go.
Ice: running upsmash/walking dsmash/stutterstep fsmash **** here.
Wind: hit somebody into the air and chase with PKT.
Electric: cancel the lag on upsmash, and immediately uair, should someone be off the stage down low.
ground: standing on the tip of the dirt mound gives dsmash really good range.
All in all, a very good counterpick, considering Corneria is banned EVERYWHERE now. If I have to CP as Lucas, this is where I go.
ZMan
Smash Master
isn't poke stadium 2 banned in most places as well?
heytallman
CTALL
Marth: Give it up, you can't win! (but Brinstar probably, if you decide to stay Lucas)
Wario: lol idk. Wario seems to do well on stages Lucas does well on.
Squirtle: Doesn't really matter because he'll most likely have to switch anyway.
Wario: lol idk. Wario seems to do well on stages Lucas does well on.
Squirtle: Doesn't really matter because he'll most likely have to switch anyway.
Ono
Smash Cadet
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Next is Delfino. I like this stage. The platforms on the moving phase help. On the top of that building with the Sunshine sprite, you can have a possible f-tilt lock. Watch out on the rooves since there is no edge on the right side, and watch out for the walk-offs. My guess, bans against Marth, D3, and MK. Counterpicks?
HailCrest
Smash Journeyman
PKT2 recovery is better on this stage than on others. Platforms = thundersliding. The one with lots of pillars on the water can be used with tether for mixing up movement.
Water means ban against Ike.
Walkoffs. Period.
Water means ban against Ike.
Walkoffs. Period.
heytallman
CTALL
I used to CP with this one, but then I stopped. IDK why. I guess its a good stage, but there are better ones.
orange/xd
Smash Ace
Possibly ban Delfino against Ness. He can be a real pain on that stage. He can water spike, use his powerful throws to take advantage of the walk-offs, and do that thing where he drops off the ledge and comes back from under, using Fair.
rPSIvysaur
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I'd guess to counter-pick against the ice-climbers to hope that if you get grabbed the stage will shift causing them to mess up...
Becareful when recovering, because there will be a time with increased gravity and will mess with your angling, which will lead to death. I try to aim towards the edges because I'm scared to go through the middle because I think I won't go all the way through.
On walk offs I'm guessing that Falco's B-Throw is very bad, but the stage will get in the way of his chain-grab so I'm not sure about that.
Can Ganon water spike well?
-Just my input
Becareful when recovering, because there will be a time with increased gravity and will mess with your angling, which will lead to death. I try to aim towards the edges because I'm scared to go through the middle because I think I won't go all the way through.
On walk offs I'm guessing that Falco's B-Throw is very bad, but the stage will get in the way of his chain-grab so I'm not sure about that.
Can Ganon water spike well?
-Just my input
ZMan
Smash Master
i like this stage (cept when i fight dekar 
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ban against ike (water spike), d3 (walkoffs), marth (platforms), and diddy (dekar is gay).
when someone is in the drink keep the pressure on by throwing some thunder in the water. dsmash or upsmash people coming up from the bottom of the main platform. uhh i think utilt goes through the umbrellas on that one part where there is umbrellas. i like this stage against snake for some reason.
all in all, an okay stage but there are better ones out there. 6.5
). ban against ike (water spike), d3 (walkoffs), marth (platforms), and diddy (dekar is gay).
when someone is in the drink keep the pressure on by throwing some thunder in the water. dsmash or upsmash people coming up from the bottom of the main platform. uhh i think utilt goes through the umbrellas on that one part where there is umbrellas. i like this stage against snake for some reason.
all in all, an okay stage but there are better ones out there. 6.5
ZMan
Smash Master
definatly cp against pit. he can't do **** on ps1.
idk i really don't like this stage as much as i did in melee. cf and roy ***** on ps1
idk i really don't like this stage as much as i did in melee. cf and roy ***** on ps1
orange/xd
Smash Ace
On PS1, you really have to watch out for the weird ledges when recovering. Definately ban against anyone with a wall infinite. Definitely CP vs. Pit. It really depends on personal experience IMO.
Every chracter that doesn't have a tether grab has a wall infinite on lucas.
orange/xd
Smash Ace
****. Oh no.
rPSIvysaur
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I'd say 6/10 for Lucas
orange/xd
Smash Ace
I absolutely LOVE Brinstar.
lil cj
Smash Lord
Brinstar=Lucas' best stage
~Nasty~
Smash Lord
Brinstar is a great stage for lucas bc of all the tricks you can do (lagging Usmashes and Dsmashes),and the blast zones are small leading to earlier kills... It's ashame that i don't like this stage XD lol
Lucario is just good there. The platforms help him recover more easily. Also, Brinstar forces most of the fighting to take place in the air and Lucario beats Lucas really hard in the air. I just don't think it's a good place to take him.
ZMan
Smash Master
even mentioning lucario makes me
brinstar *****, nuff said.
9/10
(i don't recommend taking wario, snake, or dk here)
brinstar *****, nuff said.
9/10
(i don't recommend taking wario, snake, or dk here)
Rachmaninav89
Smash Apprentice
Yea I would give it 9/10 . So I played Ally in pools and lost to him the first round, so I took him to Brinstar. I got him down to his last stock at like 120 and then lost. It was fun though. But I think Brinstar is awesome in general because of that. I like this stage alot. So many wonderful things. and the pk fire lasts a little bit longer if you hit it on those things that stick up from the ground that attach to the platform. You have a lot of options and makes for fun times.
Rachmaninav89
Smash Apprentice
Oh and be careful with peach on this stage. It's a very bad stage for lucas if you play against a good peach =/. Peach loves that level.
Brinstar is a great stage for the Mother boys. Each one can take advantage of certain things there. For Lucas, his d-smash sustains on the pink and green goo. His u-smash probably has the same affect as well. Not to mention the blast zones are closer there, so it makes killing easier. Of course you're in the same situation, so you've got to play it safe and abuse whatever you can on that stage.
clowsui
Smash Legend
brinstar is disgustingly good for lucas
usmash and dsmash hitbox durations are increased in duration dramatically
lucas doesn't have to worry about heavy campers here (aka falco snake...but snake is pretty good on this stage)
has stuff to refresh his moves on
usmash underneath right platform is super hard to punish due to lasting a million years...has shieldpoke potential but very slim
recovering is alright on this stage, fewer edges but easier to survive...but also easier to read your di
spacing with dair is way easier on this stage due to uneven ground and the general structure of the platforms
nair's effectiveness is kind of reduced here
tyr's godly counterpick. every player in ohio bans brinstar vs. tyr, even if we can beat him we just don't wanna deal with that bull ****.
usmash and dsmash hitbox durations are increased in duration dramatically
lucas doesn't have to worry about heavy campers here (aka falco snake...but snake is pretty good on this stage)
has stuff to refresh his moves on
usmash underneath right platform is super hard to punish due to lasting a million years...has shieldpoke potential but very slim
recovering is alright on this stage, fewer edges but easier to survive...but also easier to read your di
spacing with dair is way easier on this stage due to uneven ground and the general structure of the platforms
nair's effectiveness is kind of reduced here
tyr's godly counterpick. every player in ohio bans brinstar vs. tyr, even if we can beat him we just don't wanna deal with that bull ****.
Zodiark
Smash Apprentice
And if you use D-smash on the middle thing ( sorry I don't know what it is ) your D-smash is longer
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Ono
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Okay, next is Yoshi's Island (Brawl). I think this is one of the worst neutrals for Lucas. The rising platforms can prevent PKT2. The edges of the stage can prevent PKT2. Although, I like the middle platform...it helps with thundersliding and stuff. Rating? 5-6?
rPSIvysaur
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5/10... stage curviness screws with PKF... platform can give too many other people too many good options... and I hate this stage...
Edit: I change my mind 3/10
Edit: I change my mind 3/10
Ono
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Is this stage bad enough to ban against anyone?
Hey guys, I was thinking we could some stage videos to the discussion. Basically, people could submit some of their videos that show their use of the stages terrain, obstacles, etc. Thoughts on this? If you think it's a good idea, then just start submitting =). It doesn't have to be on the stage we're discussing.
Hey guys, I was thinking we could some stage videos to the discussion. Basically, people could submit some of their videos that show their use of the stages terrain, obstacles, etc. Thoughts on this? If you think it's a good idea, then just start submitting =). It doesn't have to be on the stage we're discussing.
ZMan
Smash Master
**** this stage. never play on it ever.
-9001/10
thats not joking either.
-9001/10
thats not joking either.
ChaosTheoryX
Smash Lord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2BiMBFgyOA&feature=channel_page
............Nuff said
The stage hates lucas, no wall climbing on the right side, the rising angry condoms seem to come up just when you are recovering, and they only take your pk thunder, the shy guys screw with aerials and pk fire.....just.....just dont
heytallman
CTALL
I don't like it with Lucas, but I LOVE playing on it as ROB.
Back before I used ROB, I always banned this stage. As Lucas, I'd recommend you do the same.
Back before I used ROB, I always banned this stage. As Lucas, I'd recommend you do the same.
