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Maybe if you SDI away from the Dair, you can escape but dont expect this to happen when youre low to the ground; you wont have enough time. Also, watch out for the Dtilt. If it trips you, the Kirby can Fsmash and since the Dtilt combos even at high percents, all you can do in this situations is DI the Fsmash the best you can. The Ftilt isnt that dangerous since it ends the combo but watch out for a pivoted Utilt. It can follow it up with anything from a grab at low percents to a Bair at medium/higher percents.
Yes.
Those 3 aren't right
. A semi-spike sends opponents to the left or right at a downward angle...I think what you're looking for is meteor smash. Fair is WAY underrated by most players. And nair will NEVER be used to juggle an opponent, unless they are close to the ground and it can be followed by a utilt or something.This is all pretty much right, except:
Hmmm...this brings me back to the days i mained kirby. Matchup is 55-45 diddys favor.
Though kirby does have 5 jumps, his aerial mobility is in actuality very bad. Hes got a CG that can lead to a quick and early 40%-50% but thats about it.
I remember you from on the kirby boards, but it must have been LONG ago...fthrow->uair is the only guaranteed thing out of our fthrow.
After that he has to rely on bair which is beaten by f-tilt, fair(determined by who starts their move first, if diddy does then no trading hits, if kirby does trading hits), and by a properly placed MFK.
What does MFK stand for? I'd probably assume it's "mother****ing", but that doesn't fit the context at all.
Don't try to punish a spaced bair on shield cuz it will just get u f-smashed/grabbed. Our D-tilt outrange all his ground approaches, and due to his horrible aerial mobility being risky over the edge with zair dropped naners,etc., can lead to edgeguards.
Offstage with diddy and kirby is sort of like offstage with g&w and kirby. We have the advantage. You can drop bananas, so yea, we'll jump away from the stage, then come back towards it, probably with a final cutter if you're still offstage. If you come out to attack us, we can airdodge and you are forced to recover. And then you're using your upb while directly next to kirby. While offstage. In short, you have decent offstage game against us, but only right next to the edge (hence why I say it's just like g&w).
Now kirby can gimp diddy pretty easily, about as easily as wario/luigi so that is a problem, but honestly just recoverly safely like in any other matchup.
What does "recover safely" mean? Same applies to "recover high." How would you go about doing that?
Kirby has no naner applications
Yes. I'm pretty sure he can't even glidetoss D:
and due to his small shield is suspectible to general diddy shield pressure. Hes also slow enough to when he tries to escape you can punish him in the air before he attempts a defensive option.
Just like his more BROKN brother
Kirby is NOT related to him.
, hes very suspectible to peanut camp. And DFEAR, ur wrong...kirby can not plank diddy unless its some stage like norfair. Its literally impossible.
Actually, by dropping off and fast-falling a bit, you can jump and grab the edge at the tip of your auto-sweetspot. It isn't as effective as mk's, but then again, is anything?
55-45 our favor
55-45 kirby's favor.
Okay I know a great deal about this matchup since I play Allied plenty since he lives right near me. It's really not that bad of a matchup at all.
Both Characters Air Game Against Each Other:Kirby has the dreaded Dair and his bair is going to hit you alot in this matchup. Fair seems to work well battling all of kirby's aerials.
How would kirby's fair work against your fair? I don't actually know, and I can't test it right now, but just a thought.
Both Characters Ground Game Against Each Other:Kirby's grabs are what wins this matchup, just stay away when landing to avoid the pivot grabs and all that nonsense,Diddy of course has bananas and i like to grab alot against kirby in this matchup just to throw him away and keep him distanced.
Grabs aren't really that important in kirby's game. Wouldn't all that grabbing get predictable?
Moves To Avoid and HOW to avoid them:Stay away from that hammer at all costs,time your airdodges correctly for that.
Does your airdodge last long enough to avoid both hits?
Again try and stay away from his grabs,I like to have a banana in my hand everytime im in the air so i can throw it down right where i land. as far as dair goes just shield it and glide toss backwards or run..... lol.
I'd say running would be more effective, I think dair would push you away far enough, combine with us pulling back, so that we'd have enough time to spotdodge/shield a glidetoss.
Also kirby can gimp you with dair while you're charging upB. Switch up your recovery to avoidthe blob thingykirby from killing you early.
Personal Strategies To Help With Matchup:CAMP lol and when you have openings go all out. Just stay away and shield from Dairs. camping in this matchup works really well though cause kirby doesn't have a good glide tossing game and they will most likely be overwhelmed by bananas.
Kirby can do the running glidetoss thing, where you run, JC the dash and cancel the jump with a banana throw. His glidetoss game isn't as bad as you might think, but it's still not something to bet on.
Overall Character Ratio:55-45 Kirby.
But that makes NO SENSE AT ALL in the context.
lol, that makes more sense. Since you can't use your upb after the kick...can you use it if knocked out of the kick (by our bair or dair?).
I concur. I just hate getting daired by the puffball.
Im pretty sure you can since you can SideB again after getting hit. That means that the game cant count Diddy as having used the kick since he hasnt even SideBed yet. So he gets his UpB back too.
Okay, that answers both of my questions.
Responses in quote.As Gnes already said, only the f-throw to u-air should connect. After that, SDI up and away and avoid any follow-ups.
It's amazing how many times you need to say this in a matchup discussion >.>. Most people go in and are like "watch outz for teh broekn cg which does liek 60% ZOMG."
However, up to mid percents, Kirby's D-throw puts you in a pretty bad position anyway. You don't go too far above him, D-air is slow and F-air has landing lag. If you airdodge, he can U-smash or F-smash (depending on how high percent it is). If you try to retaliate with an aerial, he can just shield and punish. I usually just monkey flip away if I don't have a banana, but he can quite possibly chase you out of that too.
This is why dthrow is considered kirby's second-best, if not best throw
Diddy's F-air and F-tilt both outrange Kirby's B-air. Kirby's B-air is basically lagless on landing, however, and it's a good OoS option for him (so don't approach the back of his shield, cross-ups are bad against him). His shield in general is pretty good in this match-up, following up from a banana hit on anywhere on it isn't too safe.
Mentioning your ftilt made me think of something...would kirby's ftilt outrange your ftilt and fair? I don't have a testing partner, so all I could really do is look at the moves and guess which has more range, and priority is a whole 'nother story.
Just remember that you can beat B-air if you're contesting him straight in the air or if he's coming at you with it from the air. Just watch out for times when you're in landing lag, or OoS, or trying to recover, his B-air is annoying.
This is all true.
He can catch bananas with B-air pretty solidly, but really can't do much with them. His glide-toss length is virtually inexistent, and he doesn't run too fast or slide far enough to make JC throws a threat.
Unfortunately, true.
Gimping wise, Kirby is like a more annoying version of MK, lol.
NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!
...I'm sorry, I had to do that. MK can gimp almost any character in the game extremely easily because of his fast semi-spiking aerials. If anything, MK is a more annoying version of Kirby.
While his D-air is slow on start-up, most recoveries are predictable, and it's a semi-spike Meteor Smash? (really a spike, but has multiple hitboxes or hits or whatever), and will **** your barrels hard along with B-air. Do what you would against MK; DI high to avoid a gimpable position in the first place, and charge your barrels away from the stage otherwise Kirby will catch you.
Mostly right. Dair's only weakness is the start-up and ending lag, but on recoveries like yours it's not a real problem. Note that we can time dairs and footstool well enough offstage so that we can dair->footstool->dair->footstool...until we run out of footstools.****True combo.
Kirby's F-smash is good at catching you upon landing, so be aware of that. It can kill obscenely early if you're near the ledge, and has a semi-long hitbox, so you can fall into it somewhat easily. Generally, landing close to Kirby is a bad idea. DO NOT MONKEY FLIP KICK HIM WHEN HE'S ON THE GROUND. It will be shielded, and you will be F-smashed unless he's in landing lag, or you buffer it and L-cancel it (although he still may be able to retalate, not sure).
True.
As far as bananas go, I've already said that Kirby can't use and control them well. You don't have to be as worried about him catching them; just use basic prediction (all he can do that's worthwhile if he picks up a banana is throw it). You could potentially punish him for holding a banana. In general, your banana combos against him are normal and he has a normal trip animation.
True.
He has good killing power and great gimping power, but the trajectory of most of his attacks shouldn't force you into a gimpable position.
Down-angled fsmash can put you in a gimpable position, but up-angled gets the job done faster, so I doubt we'll use down-angled that much.
Don't get F-smashed or grabbed at the ledge, and you're pretty much golden. He's not a character that can rush you down and force you to the ledge with attacks. He loves B-air, but you can beat it with F-air, F-tilt, maybe U-tilt or U-smash OoS if it hits your shield (that's just theorycrafted though). Past early percent grab "combos", early-mid percent d-throw reads, and catching you with F-smash upon landing, he can't do much to pressure a bad response out of you. As always, mid-range spacing is golden; possibly bait a B-air and punish with a banana throw or Monkey Flip Kick.
All correct.
IMO, the match-up is even, maybe slight advantage Diddy but nothing past 55:45.
IMO, it's 50:50, but maybe 55:45 in either's favor.
No it's not, kirby is slightly better at gimping diddy than metaknight is because of the spike. It's easier to get gimped by kirby than it is metkanight when you recover properly. Kirby has the tools to gimp you no matter what area you decide to sweetspot or recover through.P1...thats just sad.
seriously, MK is my ***** offstageP1...thats just sad.
This.
Ur wrong I play kirby GTFO
ADHD plays some Kirby as well,FYI
Im sorry i should have specified, i mained kirby
. Hes never had to play a tournament level diddy with kirby, nor a tournament level diddy with mk(which i also have done). I mained mk when the game first came out, then switch to kirby which for some reason is a huge trend, and here i am.
