Say thank you to the Zelda boards for this.

718_ROOKI3 · Jul 12, 2009

MODS feel free to close this by the next 5 days. I made this thread so it can grab all the attention from the fox boards and because what the zelda boards discovered also works in fox's favor. I believe this is a very important aspect to fox's game and will help the metagame for fox rise for the better.

Not an entirely new form of DI'ing but an additional help towards keeping fox alive. MUST READ.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=240920&page=3

How to perform:
1. Aerial momentum cancel with Uair>Shine Reverse (with fox's back towards the stage)
2. Aerial momentum cancel with Uair>Shine Reverse>B reversal Laser.

these are the two methods Ankoku Marsulas and I came up with for fox. I'm working security from now till 3am. So a video is out the question for me. YES this works, YES i did the testing YES it is reccommended YES it is definitly worth the effort.

M@V. make sure you pick this up and add it to your thread.

DarkAura · Jul 12, 2009

ill try this shiz now

EDIT: i can't do it T_T i just get a massive boost and die from my attempted reverse shine

718_ROOKI3 · Jul 12, 2009

DarkAura said:
ill try this shiz now

EDIT: i can't do it T_T i just get a massive boost and die from my attempted reverse shine

Make sure you duplicate the DI you input on your joystick before anything, (like on the inital hit slam up on the joystick) then you'll see a slight difference when you Uair>Shine Reverse

DarkAura · Jul 12, 2009

im still lost... a reverse shine is when you start the shine in the opposite direction you started in right? and do i need to fastfall the Uair?

718_ROOKI3 · Jul 12, 2009

DarkAura said:
im still lost... a reverse shine is when you start the shine in the opposite direction you started in right? and do i need to fastfall the Uair?

Like this:
1. Fox gets hit
2. DI up + FF Single Uair
3. Right now you are looking at the stage, you want to shine reverse so that you are looking at the death screen (fox's eyes)

Like i said Aura, there only is slight difference in the two shine's but it does help sometimes and i honestly think whatever help fox can get, it must be explored and tested till we realize what he's capable of.

Personally i have my own ways of DI'ing but this will come to mind occassionally

off to work if you wanna talk about anything from this thread IM me on AIM : ZB x r00kie

-Mars- · Jul 12, 2009

Anything to make Fox live longer is going to improve his metagame, I cant wait to see what all the Fox mains say when they get on and see this.

I always knew shine had some sort of potential for DI but never bothered to really check it out fully. I'm wondering how much of a difference that this really does make though.....if it is as effective as bucket braking for G&W and Fox can start surviving past 120% on a regular basis............we could see Fox all of a sudden become a little more tournament viable.

M@v · Jul 12, 2009

Big problem i see with this is youll be facing the wrong way for rising fair. Unless you shine reversal twice.

-Mars- · Jul 12, 2009

Yea well to be honest it doesn't really matter if your not in position for rising fair if your dead lol. Even without rising fair you'll still have your second jump available so you will be able to get basck to the stage........you won't get back safe but you'll still be alive and that's the main thing.

GwJ · Jul 12, 2009

Mav, you can rising fair regardless of where you're facing. This isn't melee, you can grab the edge if you're facing backwards.

DarkAura · Jul 12, 2009

i still can't do this... and if i am doing it right i don't know what it looks like compared to the zelda thing so i need a video on this

M@v · Jul 12, 2009

GwJumpman said:
Mav, you can rising fair regardless of where you're facing. This isn't melee, you can grab the edge if you're facing backwards.

You dont get it though. Doing a rising fair does you near nothing if your facing backwards. One of the reasons its so good is that it gives you a lot of horizontal momentum as well. Thats lost if you do it backwards

Zhamy · Jul 12, 2009

Inputs (Assuming default settings):

D= Directional Stick
C = C-stick

Using the numbered way of noting what direction to face (assuming you're originally facing right, 5 is neutral)

Code:

7 8 9
4 5 6
1 2 3

Getting knocked to the left -

1) SDI/DI goes: D9 C6
2) Momentum cancel goes: C2 D8
3) At this point, Fox is most likely facing the stage (there are some moves that make you face backwards, too specific to research right now), so reverse shine: 214B

This is just with a few minutes of testing. If you're having trouble with the reverse shine motion, try a Reverse Dragon Punch motion (412B) until you get the timing down fluidly.

This can easily be improved on, but hitting the reverse shine is the hardest part.

Exceladon City · Jul 12, 2009

Pgh-M@v-Pgh said:
You dont get it though. Doing a rising fair does you near nothing if your facing backwards. One of the reasons its so good is that it gives you a lot of horizontal momentum as well. Thats lost if you do it backwards

Foxcopter with the C-stick and DI backwards with the control stick.

Zhamy · Jul 12, 2009

Oreo (Excel) said:
Fair with the Cstick and DI backward.

Why not just turn around in the shine?

Virgman · Jul 12, 2009

Yes!! I just did it on my first try and that junk works!!! Yeah Japanese!!! Fox is ridiculous!! Just something new to add to my arsenal ^.^

GwJ · Jul 12, 2009

Oreo (Excel) said:
Foxcopter with the C-stick and DI backwards with the control stick.

That's what I'm talking about. You still move when you're backwards.

stealth3654 · Jul 12, 2009

Pgh-M@v-Pgh said:
Big problem i see with this is youll be facing the wrong way for rising fair. Unless you shine reversal twice.

Edit: Zhamy already said it.

KheldarVII · Jul 12, 2009

Vid... someday?

Zephil · Jul 13, 2009

this looks like an amazing discovery... I will test it tomorrow

Virgman · Jul 13, 2009

I've been testing this thing for about an hour and it seems weird. Some of the time it stops earlier than no shine and forward shine, but then other times it goes just as far. Is there a way to perfect reverse shine cuz it seems like that's what I'm getting sometimes.

Sukai · Jul 13, 2009

It works, **** good too.
I smell a learning curve/staple.

Virgman · Jul 13, 2009

So there's no "perfect reverse shine" then. Is it just shine>quick turn around while in shine?

Jenkins · Jul 13, 2009

Virgman said:
So there's no "perfect reverse shine" then. Is it just shine>quick turn around while in shine?

tilting it down and oppisite direction of where you're facing should work.

i think.

like, diagonally downwards.

Virgman · Jul 13, 2009

I tried diagonally downwards but I didn't get it with that. I'm really only getting the momentum cancel like half the time I reverse shine. But I'm just doing it by turning around in the shine really quickly. The reverse shine is not difficult, but sometimes it goes just as far as forward shine or plain DI. That's why I think I'm doing it wrong most of the time. I'm just gonna wait for a vid so I can make sure I know what exactly it looks like. Nice suggestion though Jenkins.

Leafplayer452 · Jul 13, 2009

Good stuff Rookie, ima start adding this into my playstyle

Jenkins · Jul 13, 2009

Virgman said:
Nice suggestion though Jenkins.

that doesnt work?

awww...

im still awesome though, and dont you forget it

Charoo · Jul 15, 2009

i wanna see a vid of this. Some1 please post it up?

I tried it but it doesn't seem the same as zelda's or dk's.

Uzima (Uzi) · Jul 15, 2009

**** it all, i thought of trying this a long *** time ago but never followed my gut feeling, stupid freaking lazyness...

anyways, good ****.

Zephil · Jul 15, 2009

Uzi you came back!! yay! now do us a favor and make a video of this :D <3<3<3<3<3<3<3

Virgman · Jul 15, 2009

Zephil said:
Uzi you came back!! yay! now do us a favor and make a video of this :D <3<3<3<3<3<3<3

Lol! Yeah we need one. Hey Zeph, are you from Panama the country or Panama City, Florida?

Zephil · Jul 16, 2009

Panama the country... I am like the only "real" hispano here...

718_ROOKI3 · Jul 16, 2009

I'm glad you guys are making the best of this thread :D thank you all for the coporation :D and hey guys today is my bday finally 21. M@v already wished me 22 Pika CG's 21 and 1 for good luck anyone wanna shoot for an infinite on me? :D silly fox's :D

Virgman · Jul 16, 2009

Lol. Happy Bday Rookie. Congrats on being 21. Don't go over the edge with the drinking AKA don't kill yourself.

718_ROOKI3 · Jul 17, 2009

Virgman said:
Lol. Happy Bday Rookie. Congrats on being 21. Don't go over the edge with the drinking AKA don't kill yourself.

hahahaha got it man don't worry i'll be straight

Jenkins · Jul 21, 2009

718_ROOKI3 said:
hahahaha got it man don't worry i'll be straight

lol good **** r00kie. 21 awwwwwwww yeah

someone needs to make a video of this, it'd be nice to see it in effect

Semifer · Aug 2, 2009

I can't see an effect when I use this, and I'm actually not bad at down B reversing, so a vid would be very nice.

_X_ · Aug 3, 2009

Zephil said:
Uzi you came back!! yay! now do us a favor and make a video of this :D <3<3<3<3<3<3<3

Do this

x10 Fokzu rekovriez

Zeallyx · Aug 3, 2009

Naiza. Aligato.

Uzima (Uzi) · Aug 3, 2009

_X_ said:
Do this

x10 Fokzu rekovriez

as soon as i get my capture card running i will, trust me.

TKD · Aug 5, 2009

Make a video. I don't think this works. Zelda's neutral special and Donkey's over special can be pivoted (b-sticked), which is what they do to reduce their momentum. Fox's shine doesn't have a pivot. His blaster does. I would believe you if you told us to pivot a blaster shot. In my experience, shine makes you reach the blast zone more quickly.

Say thank you to the Zelda boards for this.

Smash Lord

Smash Lord

Smash Lord

Smash Lord

Smash Lord

Smash Hero

Subarashii!

Smash Hero

Smash Hero

Smash Lord

Subarashii!

Smash Champion

Smash Hero

Smash Champion

Smash Apprentice

Smash Hero

Smash Lord

Smash Ace

Smash Ace

Smash Apprentice

Smash Champion

Smash Apprentice

Smash Lord

Smash Apprentice

Smash Journeyman

Smash Lord

Smash Champion

Smash Lord

Smash Ace

Smash Apprentice

Smash Ace

Smash Lord

Smash Apprentice

Smash Lord

Smash Lord

Smash Journeyman

Smash Lord

Fox mains get all the girlz

Smash Lord

Smash Lord

Information

Network