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Smash in HD--the easy way

thegreatkazoo

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As a newcomer onto the Smash community, I thought my first meaningful post would be on a subject we all deem useful: Recording your matches. While a good number of matches I have watched are easy on the eyes (and the ears), some are best described as train wrecks: Audio sync issues, interlacing out the @$$, and so forth. Hopefully, with this guide, the Smash community will make the transition to the newest (& best) capture device on the market: The Hauppauge HD Personal Video Recorder (hereinafter the Hauppauge HD PVR). The best news is the guide can also be applied to all next Gen systems, so you can record your matches in full HD anytime you want!
Here are some basics on the PVR:
• Costs around $200-250 as of 7/14/2009 (EBay may have it for less, be sure to check regularly for updates)
• The Current Model Number is 1212 (be sure to check on Hauppauge for the latest model number)
• Built-in hardware H.264 high definition encoder, for high performance, high quality TV recordings
• Component video input from most high definition cable TV and satellite TV receivers. Optical or stereo audio inputs.
• Record high definition video at up to 1080i resolution, 720p or VGA/D1
• Record at datarates from 1Mbs to 13.5Mbs, constant and Variable Bit Rate
• Make Blu-ray format AVCHD recordings, so you can burn your TV recordings onto a standard DVD disk (up to 2 hours of video at 5MBits/sec) and playback on Blu-ray DVD players
• Includes HD software video player, so you can playback recordings to your PC screen
• Audio / Video component video loop through to allow HD recording and viewing at the same time
• High Performance Noise Reduction Function
• NTSC,PAL and SECAM Support
• IR receiver for remote control
• IR Blaster to change the TV channels in your set top box
The PVR saves to three files, .ts, .m2ts, and .mp4. The .ts and .m2ts files can be burned to a Blu-ray disk (a Blu-ray disk can store approximately 2hours of 5 MBits/sec video). For the purposes of this guide, I will stick with the .mp4 files.
In order to record your matches in 720p, you will need:
1. A Wii or a Gamecube
2. A Set of Component Wii and/or Gamecube Component Cables (pictured Below)

3. The HD PVR
4. A Computer with @ least a dual core processor (as this comes to press, this includes the Athlon 64 family, Operon, Phenom, Sempron, Turion 64 X2, Celeron Dual Core, Core 2 Duo, Core 2, Core 2 Quad, Core i7, Itanium 2, Pentium D, Pentium Dual Core, Xeon. There are more, but chances are I probably listed yours here).
5. A Graphics Card with 256MB of video memory (& it has to be dedicated)
6. A USB 2.0 connection
After you have all your materials, make sure you have all the parts for the HD PVR (which are listed in its instructions. Install the drivers & software and be sure to go to the Hauppauge website for updates (which is available here: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_hdpvr.html). Connect it as so:

Use the supplied component cables and hook them to the input row (the top row) of the HD PVR, and connect your gaming device to the bottom (output) component row. If you have a Surround Sound System, you can connect Digital Optical Cable as well, but that will be omitted. The USB Connection is for the PC. Once the connection is hooked up, the HD PVR must be turned on to play your games, as it is a passthrough device.
Once the connection is set and the PVR is on, go to your Desktop and open up Arcsoft Total Media Extreme. Highlight the first button on the left and double click on it, as this is where you will be doing your recording.

You will get a screen that looks like this:

N.B. On the last current update, three options have been added on the lower left hand corner: Playstation3, XBOX360, and AVCHD. Be sure to select the XBOX 360 option.
Make your device settings match those as seen below:

And make your format settings match these (the most important one is the Average bit rate: Make sure that it is set to 10Mbps):

After that, you’re all set! Best part is that you don’t have to edit these settings again.
Once you’re done recording your files, you will need to edit them to get them in HD. While there is a lot of software is available, I will be using Sony Vegas Pro. For this guide, all versions @ or above 8.0c are considered. For more information on how to obtain Vegas, go to the official Vegas website http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro.
Open up Vegas Pro and find and drag your file to the timeline. Allow a few moments for the peaks to match and you will see a screen that looks like the following.

The first step is to match the media settings for the highest quality available. Hold the Alt key and press enter to open up the video properties. Match the media settings by clicking the folder button and finding your file that you put onto the timeline.

Now you’re ready to render the file. Go to File-->Render As to render. You will get the following screen

Select Main Concept AVC/ AAC (*.mp4) as the file type. Click Custom, and match the settings that appear below (and save the template as well):

Click OK and the Save. Your video file will begin to render. After that, you may want to grab a cup of coffee or read a paper :laugh:. For my setup (A HP Pavilion dv7-2000 series laptop with an Intel T6400 Dual Core 2 Duo Processor, 512MB ATI Radeon Mobility HD 4530 card, and 4GB of RAM) I render about one minute of video every 10 minutes. So, for the average Smash match, your video is done around in a half hour. But all the hard work does pay off. Here is a sample of what to expect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZseznGvq3CQ.
And that’s it! I may add a tutorial for editing in Pinnacle Studio if I get enough requests, but feel free to message me or reply if you have any more questions. Cheers. :)

EVEN MORE RECORDING OPTIONS:

S-Video jacks are a little more ubiquitous on the TVs used to play Smash, so here is an option on how to record with them.

Thanks to Epsilon933 for the add!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtByv8nBbmo

If you're not recording from component cables, record from S-Video while the yellow composite cable is being used for the TV. Be shure that the encoding bitrate is 10 MB and it's set to constant. Your device should be set to record in MP4 format since it's supported by more programs that M2TS and TS. You will get interlaced footage but there is a really good and easy way to de-interlace it; the TotalMedia's MediaConverter that comes with the HD PVR. Use that little program and convert your interlaced recorded footage to Microsoft > XBOX 360. It looks really good and it de-interlaces really fast. And if you want to separate footage, simply use Windows Movie Maker. It's really easy to use and really fast at rendering. The quality does not suck. See link above for proof.

If you can't afford and HD PVR, you can still download TotalMedia Extreme from the link below. The recording program is really good and if you already record in TS, MTS, M2TS, MP4, or M4V format with interlaced footage, you'll need this media converter.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WSXSN69U

(I haven't tested this link because I already have TME on my computer, so I didn't want to waste time uninstalling and reinstalling)
 

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Wow, great guide. The device seems expensive, and quite powerful which means it probably wouldn't work on an everyday laptop, therefore you can't just take it to smashfests and tournies.

I dunno, I guess it would depend on the specs of the laptop.

I'll add this to the guide compilation, and perhaps even sticky this if we get questions about HD recording. Again, nice work on the guide!
 

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Hmm... for some reason I thought the WII doesn't go past 480p.

I don't think something that expensive is worth it for uploading anything to YouTube. You'll never really be able to appreciate the 5x as expensive capture quality.

I'm not sure if it's going to stay this way, but you can't even get the larger screen of YouTube HD (it's basically just become equivalent to HQ) in the new beta profile things, which are very convenient for watching multiple videos from the same user, so I'm not even upscaling to the required 1280x720 like I used to to get that extra size.
 

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Note: I have moved some posts in this thead after it turned into an argument. This is a message regarding those posts (and to those who made them).

While some people might not be able to afford it, there are a lot of older members here who can, and the gaming community is full of people who make HD videos of matches and games. It's nice to see that some Melee and Brawl players might start doing the same.

There's no reason to argue about this, since the costs are clearly stated in the OP. If you don't care for the subject of the guide, don't post in the thread. Simple enough.
 

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Dude, Deflicker is an in-game thing. From the main menu, go to options -> screen display (or something like that) and that's Deflicker. Since you didn't know what it is, you probably have been recording with it on (iirc on is the default).

Anyways.... (Dazzle)
Deflicker On
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZw9besHNEY&fmt=22
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_ez8HrvW_g&fmt=22
3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-g7lna7ZVo&fmt=22
4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH6DLg3rio0&fmt=22
5) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFPpGAqggMY&fmt=22
Deflicker Off
6) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ZViORD1Kw&fmt=22
7) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wc1wpW2lEw&fmt=22
8) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwBzPgyPLww&fmt=22
9) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nYgVkvCKxk&fmt=22
10) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wafiL_Lp_ww&fmt=22

1 through 5 all have different capture settings (pick ur favorite; I find it hard to decide, although probably 2 or 4 is the best), and 6 through 10 mirror them except deflicker is off. I guess if you think your Hauppage thing is worth it, that's your choice, and I'll just have to disagree.
 

Flubba

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sony vegas doesn't accept the recorded video files.
i have sony vegas platinum 9.0
 

jaggedShrapnel

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sony vegas doesn't accept the recorded video files.
i have sony vegas platinum 9.0
Get Sony Vegas Pro 9. It works for me.
A few things I thought I'd add. The Wii doesn't output a signal higher than 480p, so the only advantage to filming through the component cables is that you won't have to worry about the usual quality loss from deinterlacing.
The HD PVR has a built in hardware accelerator to compress the footage as it's being captured, this way you won't have a 4 GB file for a one minute film. The more you know.
 

thegreatkazoo

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Get Sony Vegas Pro 9. It works for me.
This.

A few things I thought I'd add. The Wii doesn't output a signal higher than 480p, so the only advantage to filming through the component cables is that you won't have to worry about the usual quality loss from deinterlacing.
Already known.

The HD PVR has a built in hardware accelerator to compress the footage as it's being captured, this way you won't have a 4 GB file for a one minute film. The more you know.
Already known.
 

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I believe that is correct

That shouldn't matter, just bring your uncompressed video into virtualdub or another alternative for encoding (Sony Vegas works well).
 

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Not all capture cards have a built in compressor, which is why, like I said, it isn't uncommon to get raw video files of around 4 GB for a minute.

Kazoo, my post was indeed directed more towards the general public viewing this thread than you. I don't understand why you would think I would try to inform you about information on the capture card that you already possess. Also, nothing I mentioned was included in your post.
 

Charlie G

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As your source video is only 480p, it would be interesting to compare the way you're upscaling it to 720p with youtube's standard HQ.
As far as I can tell, the only advantage is the higher bitrate of youtube's HD mode,
Can anyone confirm or deny this?
It would be interesting to see a side by side comparison, I personally wouldn't be surprised it the HQ mode was extremely close in quality, as it's closer to the source video's native resolution
 

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As your source video is only 480p, it would be interesting to compare the way you're upscaling it to 720p with youtube's standard HQ.
As far as I can tell, the only advantage is the higher bitrate of youtube's HD mode,
Can anyone confirm or deny this?
It would be interesting to see a side by side comparison, I personally wouldn't be surprised it the HQ mode was extremely close in quality, as it's closer to the source video's native resolution
You're not the first to ask this, but I will gladly answer.

I already have run a test on this, and the 720p does indeed look better than the 480p.
 

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As your source video is only 480p, it would be interesting to compare the way you're upscaling it to 720p with youtube's standard HQ.
As far as I can tell, the only advantage is the higher bitrate of youtube's HD mode,
Can anyone confirm or deny this?
It would be interesting to see a side by side comparison, I personally wouldn't be surprised it the HQ mode was extremely close in quality, as it's closer to the source video's native resolution
I looked into this a bit back in August, when I first noticed they made the HQ player bigger. I was going to update my thread on it, but never got around to rerendering my test vids in my regular deinterlacing (480p 30fps and 720p 30fps). I'll let you see what I do have though. They're captured 480i in mpeg2 (I use a Dazzle), I don't remember the bitrate but it's either 6 Mbps(more likely) or 10Mbps. Output bitrate (from VirtualDub, which is what I used for resizing and deinterlacing) could have been anywhere between 3 Mbps to 10 Mbps (sorry don't remember), with divx encoding in an avi.

Untouched (480i 30fps):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KtjXmHo2Q&fmt=35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80cmfOaMBqI&fmt=35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-qG4OqJrsI&fmt=35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0H9vWnpDtc&fmt=35

Deinterlaced (480p 60 fps):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbCex2vUlRE&fmt=35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTr0bxMQ71I&fmt=35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMqUeEmZ-bk&fmt=35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSzWnIMAv6E&fmt=35

Resized (720i 30fps):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLgKrLj084U&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgrnGkBRyzg&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT4LfZjApnA&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyNhOP87Dc&fmt=22

Resided and Deinterlaced (720p 60 fps):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apa_6qoUXxU&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzYy-axIXas&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nst_COfTec&fmt=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAT2_Qd8gB8&fmt=22

(hopefully I didn't screw up the links or anything)

The fairest comparisons would be the first and third groups, or the second and fourth groups. You could just watch an HD video in HD and in HQ, but that would be somewhat biased because the HQ was created with an "HD" source that wasn't true to the original capture, which is why I uploaded the unresized versions.

IIRC (I pulled the files out of my temporary internet files folder and had a look a while back, you can check it if you want) HD is stored in full 720p (bigger than the YouTube player), as a mp4 with avc codec, and HQ is still .flv with h.264, but nowadays at 480p. HD is a bigger file (higher bitrate), and I'd think that scrunching it into the YouTube player probably also nerfs compression artifacts. So yes I'd say it looks better in HD still, but I don't think it's worth the time.
 
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When I try to record with composite and S-Video cables, the software says I can record with 525 lines of encoding. How to I get it to encode with 480?
 

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this is a great idea and good software OP, but for getting tournaments up in a fast timely manner you have to compensate quality for the quanity. Youtube isnt the best place to get high def stuff. Plus the Wii does not have the ability to put everything in HD....so theres no point in getting this software at this time. In the future when the next gen is released, it probably will have the HD stuff necessary
 

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When I try to record with composite and S-Video cables, the software says I can record with 525 lines of encoding. How to I get it to encode with 480?
If I saw a screen cap of what you had on your computer, that would help a lot.

this is a great idea and good software OP, but for getting tournaments up in a fast timely manner you have to compensate quality for the quanity. Youtube isnt the best place to get high def stuff. Plus the Wii does not have the ability to put everything in HD....so theres no point in getting this software at this time. In the future when the next gen is released, it probably will have the HD stuff necessary
Umm...no.

While YouTube's processing with high def files and the Wii's lack of native HD leave more to be desired, that doesn't make this solution any less a good buy.

For those of us with windows 7, we know the pain of finding a good recording device. Fortunately, this one is fully compatible with it.

The only thing really needed is a TV with component inputs.
 

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Too...expensive. What are the system requirements for this recording device?
You need a computer with a dual core processor (or greater), audio card (obv. :012:), and a 512MB or greater video card.

As I type this, you can find a laptop with all three features for around $500 or so...
 

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Oh yay mine can handle it! ... now the question is do I want to shell out for this?
 

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Oh yay mine can handle it! ... now the question is do I want to shell out for this?
The price should be slowly lowering down some. Sub $150 is a steal, but anything around that is a good buy as well.

Oh, and the HDPVR now comes with support for Windows 7 x64 now. Just VM me if you need the details.
 

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Thanks for all the useful information! I'll decide before Mango Juice 2 if I want to buy it or not. :)
 
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If I saw a screen cap of what you had on your computer, that would help a lot.


It looks amazing when I use component cables to record, but when I use S-video or composite, it looks blurry. Is there a way to get Hauppauge to record with 480 lines detected?
Sorry for the late response...
 

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The HDPVR should be able to record with 480i, but you have to select the proper video mode on the Wii first (or Gamecube, whichever you have.)

Let me know if that helps...
 

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EPsilon933:
525 lines = 480 visible lines. The rest are used for sync and stuff I don't know/care about. So yes, it's supposed to be 525.
 

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How does this device handle audio recording? Can you record audio to the file at the same time?
Also can you use it with vdub etc to record?

thnx in advance
 

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How does this device handle audio recording? Can you record audio to the file at the same time?
Also can you use it with vdub etc to record?

thnx in advance
It can record standard audio recording or Digital Out. It records audio & video @ the same time.

You don't use vdub to record, you use ArcSoft Total Media to, which is included.
 

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What is the voltage rating on the HD PVR's power source? I'm interested in buying one, but don't want to pay 2x as much for a localised one due to ****ty Australian economy, lul.

I too am interested if you can use it with virtualdub, obviously there is included software. :/
 

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What is the voltage rating on the HD PVR's power source? I'm interested in buying one, but don't want to pay 2x as much for a localised one due to ****ty Australian economy, lul.

I too am interested if you can use it with virtualdub, obviously there is included software. :/
Here's the info from the back of the AC Supply.

No, you can't use virtual dub with this (to the best of my knowledge.) You are welcome to try it though and tell me the results. ;)
 

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Ah, excellent, 240V should be more than enough for here. thanks :)

I dunno how soon I'll be able to pick one up, but I will definitely tell you what I get from trying it with vdub when/if I do. :3
 
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