illinialex24
Smash Hero
Why?
Many boards still need high quality frame data, and this gives you the basics to do tests for attacks and the like, it also gives you some Smash Lab information on how its done, as well as some of my own personal information after gathering high quality frame data for 2 boards.
It is fairly useful for knowing exactly how to avoid punishing, like the Diddy Kong's found out their dash attack has no ending lag, and followed by a jab or a jump, they can barely get grabbed afterward, and can throw immediately after the move any banana's they picked up.
What You Need
A Wii with Homebrew installed
An SD Card
GeckOS 1.07b or later (I think Ocarina even works fine)
The ability to use codes
The following:
To do this, you must use hacks and must use the pause debugger code which is the following:
This only works with a Gamecube controller, press Start to get into the debugger and press Z to advance frames. Press start to leave it. X+ Dpad Up is your new start for starting games and the like.
If this is your first time collecting frame data, to verify, please send me your data and pictures of the frame by frame for 1 move so I can verify you did it properly.
My Information
Do all your testing on a Jigglypuff. Failing that, you fail. (I'm talking to you Susa). Seriously though, then you wanna test it on a character who has large amounts of invincibility frames in their dodge animation and you know the data for it.
Hits on Frame: To do this, first test the first possible frame it can hit by using it on a standing opponent when the startup and hitting frames overlap the opponent. See what frame it first hits on. Then, set it so the first frame it hits will hit an invicibility frame of the opponent, so it can only hit the frame after it would normally. If it hits, continue with the next frame until you find every frame it can hit on. Jigglypuff is ideal because she has 27 frames starting on 1, which is quicker and better than anything else.
Now, for multihit moves, if they hits are different, use them in different categories and test when each one hits for.
Duration: Simply have the move hit (if its multihit, have every hit make contact) and see how many frames it takes until you can do something. So if you get a full shield (it takes 2 frames to shield, first is mini, second is large) on frame 62, the duration is 60 frames (you could first do anything on frame 60). This is best tested by alternating shield with attack, even in the air, so you either start a shield or attack on that (or air dodge) so it ends immediately and you don't have buffer issues.
Hitlag: This is basic, but testing it is a bit more complicated. Its the number of freeze frame stuff that happens after you hit them, but the ideal way to test it is by testing the person using the move. Attack the opponent and find the first frame the move hits (if its multihit, do a hitlag for each hit) and then find each frame you don't move (IE, you don't continue the attack animation). Count up the number of frames you stay exactly where you are (its easier for moves that have low knockback, so you aren't wondering if they are frozen, especially since you can DI in hitlag).
Blockstun: This is the number of frames after blockhitlag that you can't unshield in. To test this, use a move on a non-power shield (IE, don't hit it on the initial shield) and then the frame the attack connects, each frame after start inputting X or Up (have tap jump on for the opponent) alternatingly, and the frame the jump animation starts is the first frame when blockstun is over. For Jigglypuff, she starts her crouch on frame 2 noticeably, so if she crouches on frame 4 after the blockhitlag, it has a blockstun of 2.
BlockHitlag: Identical to hitlag on a shield. Hit a non-power shield with an attack and see the number of frames you are frozen before you continue the animation. Its also very easy to tell from the shield perspective, your opponents shield will stay fairly clear with a small circle on it where you hit when its blockhitlag. Blockstun starts when the shield becomes very cloudy and you start to slide.
Landing Lag: Do an aerial into the ground, making sure you are multiple frames into the attack (IE, around the time the hitbox comes out, just to be safe, most moves on frame 2 don't have extra landing lag and some don't have it even later. Test using attack and shield for when you can first stop it, so if you start your shield on frame 10, and get a full shield on 11, you have 9 frames of landing lag.
Base Damage: Go into training, opponent at 0%. Do the attack.
Knockback:
Angle: Get a capture card and capture the picture of the frame after hitlag ends on an attack on the opponent when they are at 999%. Find the angle to the ground, make sure they are leaning on the edge of a platform, so they can go down.
Base: The base is calculated after you get the growth rate. Its the initial knockback (knockback calculated at 0%) - the growth rate (thats next) * base damage.
You can find the knockbacks in the results screen under "Max Launcher Speed".
Growth Rate: The growth rate is the average amount the knockback grows each percent. To do this, use a move at 0% and at 100%, and have the knockback at 100% - the knockback at 0% and divide by 100. Thats the growth rate.
For good examples of these, check out my current 2 frame data threads (obey my command in the Jigglypuff one):
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=216922
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=239185
Smash Lab Standards and Information (All By Scotu):
I'm gonna CP some posts here from the smash lab, detailing how/what data to collect by smash lab standards. Since no one's currently assigned to find jiggs data, if you adhere to these qualifiers, If you PM me your data once you find it, we'll format it in the template of the smash lab and release it as part of the official smash lab character data. I'll also try to get you in the lab the next bout of nominations.
If you want to send me sample data so I can verify you are doing it properly, PM me on Youtube or post a visitor message. Here is my channel. Upload the images to imageshack and keep a list of them, and send them to me in order. Also send your interpretation of the data so I can see if you did it properly.
Enjoy
Many boards still need high quality frame data, and this gives you the basics to do tests for attacks and the like, it also gives you some Smash Lab information on how its done, as well as some of my own personal information after gathering high quality frame data for 2 boards.
It is fairly useful for knowing exactly how to avoid punishing, like the Diddy Kong's found out their dash attack has no ending lag, and followed by a jab or a jump, they can barely get grabbed afterward, and can throw immediately after the move any banana's they picked up.
What You Need
A Wii with Homebrew installed
An SD Card
GeckOS 1.07b or later (I think Ocarina even works fine)
The ability to use codes
The following:
To do this, you must use hacks and must use the pause debugger code which is the following:
Code:
Debug Pause:-(GCC)
80000000 805B8A08
0402E5AC 8819000B
4A000000 804DE470
38000000 EFFF1000
86410000 00000001
E2000001 00000000
4A000000 805B8A08
3A000002 00FF0000
12000002 00000001
E2000001 00000000
4A000000 804DE470
38000000 FFEF0010
4A000000 805B8A08
3A000002 FF000000
12000002 00000100
E2000002 00000000
Press Start to freeze the game(don't worry, the music and sounds are unaffected).
Press Z to step through frame by frame.
Press Start again to unfreeze the game.
(The new Start command is X+D^)
Button Modifier:
041E6CD8 4BE1C128
041E6D1C 4BE1C114
06002E00 00000068
9421FF80 BC410008
7CE4402E 7CE738F8
7CE73039 3864FFC0
7CE3412E 7CC4412E
B8410008 38210080
60000000 481E3EB0
9421FF80 BC410008
7C03202E 3DC01000
7DCE70F8 7C007039
740E0408 3DE00408
7C0E7800 40820008
64001000 B8410008
38210080 481E3EBC
Must be used with the Debug Pause Code.If this is your first time collecting frame data, to verify, please send me your data and pictures of the frame by frame for 1 move so I can verify you did it properly.
My Information
Now, the attack, move name, visual description, and input are basic enough.
Do all your testing on a Jigglypuff. Failing that, you fail. (I'm talking to you Susa). Seriously though, then you wanna test it on a character who has large amounts of invincibility frames in their dodge animation and you know the data for it.
Hits on Frame: To do this, first test the first possible frame it can hit by using it on a standing opponent when the startup and hitting frames overlap the opponent. See what frame it first hits on. Then, set it so the first frame it hits will hit an invicibility frame of the opponent, so it can only hit the frame after it would normally. If it hits, continue with the next frame until you find every frame it can hit on. Jigglypuff is ideal because she has 27 frames starting on 1, which is quicker and better than anything else.
Now, for multihit moves, if they hits are different, use them in different categories and test when each one hits for.
Duration: Simply have the move hit (if its multihit, have every hit make contact) and see how many frames it takes until you can do something. So if you get a full shield (it takes 2 frames to shield, first is mini, second is large) on frame 62, the duration is 60 frames (you could first do anything on frame 60). This is best tested by alternating shield with attack, even in the air, so you either start a shield or attack on that (or air dodge) so it ends immediately and you don't have buffer issues.
Hitlag: This is basic, but testing it is a bit more complicated. Its the number of freeze frame stuff that happens after you hit them, but the ideal way to test it is by testing the person using the move. Attack the opponent and find the first frame the move hits (if its multihit, do a hitlag for each hit) and then find each frame you don't move (IE, you don't continue the attack animation). Count up the number of frames you stay exactly where you are (its easier for moves that have low knockback, so you aren't wondering if they are frozen, especially since you can DI in hitlag).
Blockstun: This is the number of frames after blockhitlag that you can't unshield in. To test this, use a move on a non-power shield (IE, don't hit it on the initial shield) and then the frame the attack connects, each frame after start inputting X or Up (have tap jump on for the opponent) alternatingly, and the frame the jump animation starts is the first frame when blockstun is over. For Jigglypuff, she starts her crouch on frame 2 noticeably, so if she crouches on frame 4 after the blockhitlag, it has a blockstun of 2.
BlockHitlag: Identical to hitlag on a shield. Hit a non-power shield with an attack and see the number of frames you are frozen before you continue the animation. Its also very easy to tell from the shield perspective, your opponents shield will stay fairly clear with a small circle on it where you hit when its blockhitlag. Blockstun starts when the shield becomes very cloudy and you start to slide.
Landing Lag: Do an aerial into the ground, making sure you are multiple frames into the attack (IE, around the time the hitbox comes out, just to be safe, most moves on frame 2 don't have extra landing lag and some don't have it even later. Test using attack and shield for when you can first stop it, so if you start your shield on frame 10, and get a full shield on 11, you have 9 frames of landing lag.
Base Damage: Go into training, opponent at 0%. Do the attack.
Knockback:
Angle: Get a capture card and capture the picture of the frame after hitlag ends on an attack on the opponent when they are at 999%. Find the angle to the ground, make sure they are leaning on the edge of a platform, so they can go down.
Base: The base is calculated after you get the growth rate. Its the initial knockback (knockback calculated at 0%) - the growth rate (thats next) * base damage.
You can find the knockbacks in the results screen under "Max Launcher Speed".
Growth Rate: The growth rate is the average amount the knockback grows each percent. To do this, use a move at 0% and at 100%, and have the knockback at 100% - the knockback at 0% and divide by 100. Thats the growth rate.
For good examples of these, check out my current 2 frame data threads (obey my command in the Jigglypuff one):
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=216922
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=239185
Smash Lab Standards and Information (All By Scotu):
I'm gonna CP some posts here from the smash lab, detailing how/what data to collect by smash lab standards. Since no one's currently assigned to find jiggs data, if you adhere to these qualifiers, If you PM me your data once you find it, we'll format it in the template of the smash lab and release it as part of the official smash lab character data. I'll also try to get you in the lab the next bout of nominations.
Contact
If you want to send me sample data so I can verify you are doing it properly, PM me on Youtube or post a visitor message. Here is my channel. Upload the images to imageshack and keep a list of them, and send them to me in order. Also send your interpretation of the data so I can see if you did it properly.
Enjoy
