Why are people banning Metaknight and not King Gay 3?

YesNoMaybeSo · Sep 8, 2009

I mean comeon. I hear people complaining about how cheap Metaknight is, but I hear nothing of gay 3. Let me put it this way. Metaknight does NOT make any characters truley unviable, but king d3 DOES. If you compare characters match-ups, characters who have the hardest time against Metaknight, to the point that they can't win at all are Ganon, Falcon and Samus. D3 on the other hand makes much more character dead on unviable (assuming that they know how to infinite), those characters are Ganon, Link, Samus, Mario, Falcon, Donkey Kong, Wolf, and possibly even Ness and Lucas. don't give me the excuse that those characters listed above have tools to avoid getting grabbed, cause landing a grab with gay 3 is probably the easiest thing to do, having the longest grab range amongst non tether characters, and a 6 frame start-up is imprrsive. Above that, King D3 is a VERY VERY Good character.

My point is, why is there a debate about banning metaknight going on when there lies a character much more of a threat to more people in the cast? I'm not sure about this, but I hear that Japan has actually considered to ban D3.

You didn't get the point of da thread at all. I didn't say that he couldn't be beaten, what I said was he makes much more characters unviable then MK.

thanks

o-Serin-o · Sep 8, 2009

Close.... NOW.

EDIT: Lemme make you look like an *******.

He CAN be beaten. EASILY!

MK ***** him (idk for sure)
Pikachu ***** him
ICs **** him
Falco ***** him

Stop being a troll and go somewhere else with this ****.

If you are using those characters against D3 in the first place, then you have a ****ing problem...

YesNoMaybeSo · Sep 8, 2009

o-Serin-o said:
Close.... NOW.

EDIT: Lemme make you look like an *******.

He CAN be beaten. EASILY!

MK ***** him (idk for sure)
Pikachu ***** him
ICs **** him
Falco ***** him

Stop being a troll and go somewhere else with this ****.

If you are using those characters against D3 in the first place, then you have a ****ing problem...

You didn't get the point of da thread at all. I didn't say that he couldn't be beaten, what I said was he makes much more characters unviable then MK.

SuSa · Sep 8, 2009

Because making characters unviable (whom can already be argued as unviable without D3) isn't the sole reason for banning.

EDIT:
Dk's the exception

Also many tournaments are now having standing infinites banned, a lot better then banning a character.

/thread

o-Serin-o · Sep 8, 2009

Again, why use them against D3. Pick someone up for them.

Yes, we make characters unviable. But the only TRUE characters we make unviable is Mario, Luigi, Samus and DK. And DK has ways of avoiding it.

arch knight · Sep 8, 2009

Because Meta knight is the most tournament character and has many forms of recovery, multi hit and low % KOs over most of the cast. D3 can CG so? Falco can CG and lazer lock. IC can CG just as well as D3 and to greater %.

To argue that D3 is bannable is not much of a debate.

BSP · Sep 8, 2009

D3 can be counterpicked...and o serin is right, why would you use those guys against d3?

wait, it's not an infinite on bowser anymore?

o-Serin-o · Sep 8, 2009

Why isnt this closed... -_-

Commander_Beef · Sep 8, 2009

This guy is only johning because he mains Link.

YesNoMaybeSo · Sep 8, 2009

mariobrouser said:
D3 can be counterpicked...and o serin is right, why would you use those guys against d3?

wait, it's not an infinite on bowser anymore?

If that was the answer to the question, then why would the MK debate go on? Why not just counter Snake against him?

Last I heard, D3's infinite weren't banned.

YesNoMaybeSo · Sep 8, 2009

Commander_Beef said:
This guy is only johning because he mains Link.

Actually, the characters who I use alot is D3, lol. If i didn't I wouldn't be making this thread.

o-Serin-o · Sep 8, 2009

YesNoMaybeSo said:
If that was the answer to the question, then why would the MK debate go on? Why not just counter Snake against him?

Last I heard, D3's infinite weren't banned.

Seriously? LOL.

arch knight · Sep 8, 2009

YesNoMaybeSo said:
If that was the answer to the question, then why would the MK debate go on? Why not just counter Snake against him?

Last I heard, D3's infinite weren't banned.

Because we limit to what percent you can CG.
Lurk moar post less.
That is all.

Commander_Beef · Sep 8, 2009

YesNoMaybeSo said:
Actually, the characters who I use alot is D3, lol. If i didn't I wouldn't be making this thread.

Wow I just made this guy double-post. lol

SuSa · Sep 8, 2009

Because Snake doesn't counter MK (at least that is the common viewpoint) and takes far more skill then most characters in the game to play at such a high level. There are so many little things you have to know, that sometimes it makes me just want to switch mains. (Oh wait...)

Please refrain from double posting, use the awesome edit feature.

D3's infinites aren't recommended by the SBR to be banned but in almost every tournament I've attended in the past 3 months, they have been. The SBR don't have the last say in how any tournament is ran. It is merely recommendations that most people follow (generally because they agree)

BSP · Sep 8, 2009

YesNoMaybeSo said:
If that was the answer to the question, then why would the MK debate go on? Why not just counter Snake against him?

Last I heard, D3's infinite weren't banned.

since when did snake have an advantage on mk?

YesNoMaybeSo · Sep 8, 2009

arch knight said:
Because we limit to what percent you can CG.
Lurk moar post less.
That is all.

Till what? 300 percent? lol

At Susa: That still doesn't stop people to be able to use them.

SuSa · Sep 8, 2009

Yah, neither does banning the character by that logic.

o-Serin-o · Sep 8, 2009

If they use it, they get DQ'ed.

YesNoMaybeSo · Sep 8, 2009

mariobrouser said:
since when did snake have an advantage on mk?

He's the closest character to come to a MK counter. (sorry if this is another double post)

BSP · Sep 8, 2009

YesNoMaybeSo said:
Till what? 300 percent? lol

At Susa: That still doesn't stop people to be able to use them.

And? If you know your character is gonna get wrecked by the cg, why use them against him?

btw, double post is when u post, and then post again when ur lastpost was still the newest?

SuSa · Sep 8, 2009

Many would argue that IC's is closer, and MK is actually closer then Snake.

Closest to an MK counter =/= 55-45 MK's favor.

In fact, 55-45 Snake's favor wouldn't be a counter either.

o-Serin-o · Sep 8, 2009

mariobrouser said:
And? If you know your character is gonna get wrecked by the cg, why use them against him?

Copied what I said on the first thread, but continue.

ICs are even against MK.

YesNoMaybeSo · Sep 8, 2009

SuSa said:
Yah, neither does banning the character by that logic.

How so?

@Mario: Once again, the same could be said about MK.

arch knight · Sep 8, 2009

YesNoMaybeSo said:
Till what? 300 percent? lol

At Susa: That still doesn't stop people to be able to use them.

between 100-200%

It differs depending on what the creator of the tourney says.
And IF people are smart they learn how avoid being grabbed Especially If thats all their oppnent does.

YesNoMaybeSo · Sep 8, 2009

SuSa said:
Many would argue that IC's is closer, and MK is actually closer then Snake.

Closest to an MK counter =/= 55-45 MK's favor.

In fact, 55-45 Snake's favor wouldn't be a counter either.

55-45? Lol. Ally has shown what a Snake is capable of. And against freaken M2k. I think that explains enough.

BSP · Sep 8, 2009

o-Serin-o said:
Copied what I said on the first thread, but continue.

ICs are even against MK.

whoops, sorry.

and at "the same could be said about mk", im not really getting what you are saying...

Inaphyt · Sep 8, 2009

If your main can't compete against d3 or Mk and your tourny serious, you should switch mains.

YesNoMaybeSo · Sep 8, 2009

arch knight said:
between 100-200%

It differs depending on what the creator of the tourney says.
And IF people are smart they learn how avoid being grabbed Especially If thats all their oppnent does.

This is King D3 we're talking about. Not Ganon or Ice climbers.

o-Serin-o · Sep 8, 2009

Okay. Ally is ONE snake. The other snake's cant (if they do) compare to Ally (by my standards anways).

YesNoMaybeSo · Sep 8, 2009

o-Serin-o said:
Okay. Ally is ONE snake. The other snake's cant (if they do) compare to Ally (by my standards anways).

I thought match-ups determine a character at their highest potential/ level of play? Am I wrong?

SuSa · Sep 8, 2009

YesNoMaybeSo said:
How so?

@Mario: Once again, the same could be said about MK.

Because if nothing happens when you ban the standing infinite, what the **** would happen if you ban D3?

"It does nothing"

YesNoMaybeSo said:
55-45? Lol. Ally has shown what a Snake is capable of. And against freaken M2k. I think that explains enough.

You know Ally has lost against M2K as well. Correct? And that 55-45 is pretty winnable and even. I also believe Ally vs M2K is even, or so far (by set) favoring one or the either by just 1 set.

I suggest you research a bit more, or actually know what the **** you are talking about.

KevinM · Sep 8, 2009

Please try and educate yourself and not make threads that are simply asking to close a character you DON'T like playing.

Read the global rules and don't post such spam again God I hate GBD.

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