computer AI

XIII ways to die · Sep 19, 2009

ok does the computer learn your skills when you fight because all the stuff you dont see a computer do like up-b cancle for one the computer does now. ive even been seeing it pull of chain grabs and knee races. you get the idea basicly stuff you would only see a human do, the comp is starting to do now. not very good i can say but its still very noticable.

this only started recently. its kindof kool

so if the comp has an AI how would i without the action replay level up the comp to where it fights more like a 20 or 30.

does anyone know??

LLDL · Sep 19, 2009

Yeah man. The computers are naturally evolving. This falcon cpu did like 8 scar jumps after teching my dair and meteor canceling the next, then did an air dodge backwards in order to avoid my third dair, knowing that the cloud would save him on yoshis story. This one fox cpu did a quatrouple JC shine, to grab, to shine bair combo on me. I was all like 0_o o_0 - Pretty soon our gamecubes will not need our consent, and they will start leaving our houses and hosting their own tournaments.

Jihnsius · Sep 19, 2009

It has recently been revealed that Mango got to his skill level by having Ken play computers on his memory card all day long so the AI began to play exactly like him.

No, the AI cannot learn.

XIII ways to die · Sep 19, 2009

dude thats crazy. i also heard bout using action replay for a lvl 99 comp or perfect comp. has anyone here went against that before.

LLDL · Sep 19, 2009

I've never heard of that. But it'd probably be more damage ratio and more handycap. It's not possible to change the way the cp aready behaves. Any "human" only stuff that you may see it do are just situational.

XIII ways to die · Sep 19, 2009

well KYo is the one who told me about the perfect computer. so it exist he said that u had to have action replay to do it. he said that when you turn it on the computer becomes so gimp that you can barley touch it.

LLDL · Sep 19, 2009

I'd like to see that. And I've never heard of "kyo".

-ACE- · Sep 19, 2009

Computer players don't learn. They are pretty consistent lol.

derfleurer · Sep 19, 2009

For there to be a straight-up AR to do something like that, the AI would have to have already been programmed. In which case, why would they just leave it vacant on the game with no purpose?

It's not like they create a computer and then assign it a number and wham.

Edit: And about the "evolving" cpu thing, go play a lvl 9 anything and just keep f-smashing with Marth. I think you'll get the idea pretty quickly.

Gen. Empoleon · Sep 19, 2009

Yes, computer players learn really fast, it explains how Ganon always Up-Bs when I'm going in for a dair

The Irish Mafia · Sep 19, 2009

No, the gannon cpu is designed to stifle or attack aerial approaches with up b

and lv 9 cpu's do learn
a peach armada combo'd me once and then sd'd

Eternal Yoshi · Sep 20, 2009

derfleurer said:
For there to be a straight-up AR to do something like that, the AI would have to have already been programmed. In which case, why would they just leave it vacant on the game with no purpose?

It's not like they create a computer and then assign it a number and wham.

Edit: And about the "evolving" cpu thing, go play a lvl 9 anything and just keep f-smashing with Marth. I think you'll get the idea pretty quickly.

Yes. The AI are a bunch of barnacle heads. Just watch how predictable or dumb they can be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzmMAJWYJMc

LSDX · Sep 20, 2009

Melee AI is trash, nuff said.

XIII ways to die · Sep 20, 2009

i remember the old 64 version of the comp that wash trash

Zjiin · Sep 20, 2009

Computers seem to occasionally pick up things like ledge teching and being overly aggressive. I don't think referring to that as "learning" is appropriate, but for some reason or another, these bugs do happen. I've had a CPU tech the ledge twice when i was smashing him at the edge. I've also seen other crazy stuff.

It doesn't mean the CPU is getting smarter, but they do pick up unintentional habits for no apparent reason. (i.E. He's not teching your stuff to stay alive, he's trying to use his shield at the wrong time which results in a tech)

Tichinde925 · Sep 20, 2009

Here is the original topic:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=69697

Here is the video on youtube that is no longer hosted on yousendit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t3yL3NStJI

Level 5 Computer OWNAGE!

keeper · Sep 20, 2009

The only times I've really seen a CPU do anything advanced are:
Ledgeteching
Meteor canceling
When I forced one to airdodge at the ground (tried to attack it and it just air dodged down and to the side a little)

It's not that amazing.

-ACE- · Sep 20, 2009

Computers are capable of some impressive stuff. However, they are programmed that way. They do NOT learn.

I'm surprised this thread is still alive.

Archangel · Sep 21, 2009

McSnapple said:
Melee AI is trash, nuff said.

True Initially. They get better after Having Over 9000 Matches but still don't do basics sometimes. Like DI'ing, side-stepping or Realizing what attacks will result in a SD. I swear if I see Falcon Dthrow to SideB off the edge 1 more time I'll Shoot myself.

Zjiin said:
Computers seem to occasionally pick up things like ledge teching and being overly aggressive. I don't think referring to that as "learning" is appropriate, but for some reason or another, these bugs do happen. I've had a CPU tech the ledge twice when i was smashing him at the edge. I've also seen other crazy stuff.

It doesn't mean the CPU is getting smarter, but they do pick up unintentional habits for no apparent reason. (i.E. He's not teching your stuff to stay alive, he's trying to use his shield at the wrong time which results in a tech)

Basically the answer to the original question as best as possible. I will admit that If nothing else Brawl has the Smartest CPU's of any smash game. They can actualy run away lolol. I heard Some people hacked Melee as well. Maybe They can "level up" The Computers ability.

On a side note: I found Training Mode CPU's Will Dl properly when set to "Evade" As a result I practiced Chain-grabbing with every character for hours! if only you could use the C-stick.

Llumys · Sep 21, 2009

Computers don't learn.

Lol.

Archangel · Sep 21, 2009

Llumys said:
Computers don't learn.

Lol.

Neither do Olimar players....

Eternal Yoshi · Sep 21, 2009

Don't know why, but one time, A CPU Ganondorf on Corneria tired to avoid my attack and managed to do a perfect Wave Dash to the top of the wing. I wish I had my equipment then....

Archangel · Sep 21, 2009

Eternal Yoshi said:
Don't know why, but one time, A CPU Ganondorf on Corneria tired to avoid my attack and managed to do a perfect Wave Dash to the top of the wing. I wish I had my equipment then....

It's almost common to me now. When The CPU's have the opportunity they'll do a wavedash on my date. My Falcon and Link have even Moonwalked out of my attacks....wtf!

XIII ways to die · Sep 21, 2009

Spam_arrows said:
True Initially. They get better after Having Over 9000 Matches but still don't do basics sometimes. Like DI'ing, side-stepping or Realizing what attacks will result in a SD. I swear if I see Falcon Dthrow to SideB off the edge 1 more time I'll Shoot myself.

Basically the answer to the original question as best as possible. I will admit that If nothing else Brawl has the Smartest CPU's of any smash game. They can actualy run away lolol. I heard Some people hacked Melee as well. Maybe They can "level up" The Computers ability.

On a side note: I found Training Mode CPU's Will Dl properly when set to "Evade" As a result I practiced Chain-grabbing with every character for hours! if only you could use the C-stick.

you know i never just thought of praticing on evade i guess it could pay off with better acurracy. thnks fo the idea

Archangel · Sep 22, 2009

XIII ways to die said:
you know i never just thought of praticing on evade i guess it could pay off with better acurracy. thnks fo the idea

No problem. It's payed off Quite a bit for my marth. I've had problems with the EHY! Chain-Grab but I've had time to practice it against DI and It's helped alot. They Training mode CPU's Have Human like DI when set to Evade....If only you could use the C-Stick. I would just practice on Training mode against Evade CPU's forever.

LSDX · Sep 23, 2009

Spam_arrows said:
Neither do Olimar players....

*Gives +1 McSnapple point*

Figgz · Sep 23, 2009

huh, im hungry

Archangel · Sep 23, 2009

McSnapple said:
*Gives +1 McSnapple point*

thanks. He kinda made it easy.

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