Pit Hit-Bubbles, and Mexican tier list

N.A.G.A.C.E · Nov 19, 2009

no one made a thread for it so here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQroxRnrtl8

edit: also here is the Mexican tier list

Afropony · Nov 19, 2009

That's quite interesting, we could probably use it to find some of the frame data for Pit too.

Phaigne · Nov 19, 2009

It won't be helpful for frame data.

I could do frame data, but I am way lazy, besides we have all the essential parts.

Suyon · Nov 19, 2009

I couldn't actually quite tell. Was Pit's grab range bigger when dashing grab instead of just standing grab?

Nikenick · Nov 19, 2009

Very very interesting

LaIotun · Nov 19, 2009

Suyon said:
I couldn't actually quite tell. Was Pit's grab range bigger when dashing grab instead of just standing grab?

Yes it is.

aish · Nov 19, 2009

Mmm movements programmed so well :3 and I think it's a taad bigger when you dash grabor it could just be an illusion because of the 3 smaller bubbles. When you turn around and then grab(no dashing) is that a pivot grab or just a standing grab. Random question too is that really how hit boxes 'look' like? xD bubbles? I think it would help with frame data, shows when hit box is out 8D..for offensive moves but i don't know anything about collecting frame data so i wouldn't know OTL and snake's bubbles are huuge

Kitamerby · Nov 19, 2009

Wow at that broken jab.

dualseeker · Nov 19, 2009

I think any new Pit player should view this. It is informative of Pit's range and what frames that the attacks occur in.

LaIotun · Nov 19, 2009

aish said:
Mmm movements programmed so well :3 and I think it's a taad bigger when you dash grabor it could just be an illusion because of the 3 smaller bubbles. When you turn around and then grab(no dashing) is that a pivot grab or just a standing grab. Random question too is that really how hit boxes 'look' like? xD bubbles? I think it would help with frame data, shows when hit box is out 8D..for offensive moves but i don't know anything about collecting frame data so i wouldn't know OTL and snake's bubbles are huuge

Oh you're right, it is bigger
http://imgur.com/awkhf.png
http://imgur.com/Hyrbm.gif

And if you're talking about this, then it is a pivot grab

Phaigne · Nov 19, 2009

aish said:
Mmm movements programmed so well :3 and I think it's a taad bigger when you dash grabor it could just be an illusion because of the 3 smaller bubbles. When you turn around and then grab(no dashing) is that a pivot grab or just a standing grab. Random question too is that really how hit boxes 'look' like? xD bubbles? I think it would help with frame data, shows when hit box is out 8D..for offensive moves but i don't know anything about collecting frame data so i wouldn't know OTL and snake's bubbles are huuge

Yes, it is slightly bigger when you dash grab, just a little slower, though.

When you tun around and grab, it usually is a pivot grab if you have any momentum, but the way you said it, it could be a standing grab as well. The difference is the pivot animation.

I don't know if it's exactly how hitboxes look like, but I believe it is close. I'm pretty sure they are bubbles.

And no, iy wouldn't help with frame data unless you had the program that shows the hit-boxes on a homebrew Wii with a frame by frame debug. Otherwise, there are easier ways to tell when a hit-box is out.

321BOOM · Nov 21, 2009

LaIotun said:
Oh you're right, it is bigger
http://imgur.com/awkhf.png
http://imgur.com/Hyrbm.gif

And if you're talking about this, then it is a pivot grab

Range still sucks tho :<

pivot that suckr.<3

N.A.G.A.C.E · Dec 2, 2009

Bump since i added the Mexican tier list: i added it b/c pit is so high in it i thought u might like to see it.

LaIotun · Dec 2, 2009

What do the fives mean?

N.A.G.A.C.E · Dec 2, 2009

LaIotun said:
What do the fives mean?

its a tier list and a MU chart. the five's mean its an even match.

LaIotun · Dec 2, 2009

So Pit is even with MK? lol

MysteriousSilver · Dec 3, 2009

That list is really crack in places.

I think Pit has A tier potential, but not really S.

Of course, I don't have any hard evidence to base this on.

N.A.G.A.C.E · Dec 4, 2009

what i like is pit has no disadvantages thats good ****.

Ayoub · Dec 5, 2009

Lol, xD that list fails. xD

ShermantheTank · Dec 7, 2009

I never realized how big some of Pit's hits were. I got a few "What's?" out of my roommates while playing them yesterday since suddenly I was hitting from way farther away XP

N.A.G.A.C.E · Dec 7, 2009

also there is no official Japanese tier list but the few i have seen have pit really high i will post it if people want

Valuno · Dec 10, 2009

Awesome, the vid of Pit's hitboxes were helpful to me. Many thanks ^_^

'Kicks' · Dec 14, 2009

Valuno said:
Awesome, the vid of Pit's hitboxes were helpful to me. Many thanks ^_^

yeah those videos were very helpful. Been spacing a lot better since i watched it.

MysteriousSilver said:
That list is really crack in places.

I think Pit has A tier potential, but not really S.

Of course, I don't have any hard evidence to base this on.

Pit for sure has top ten tier potential and there is tons of evidence to back it up. We players just need to work on our metagames and matchups and start placing higher in tournaments

Phaigne · Dec 14, 2009

'Kicks' said:
Pit for sure has top ten tier potential and there is tons of evidence to back it up. We players just need to work on our metagames and matchups and start placing higher in tournaments

Yeah, he could definitely be placed higher, we just don't see much tournament turn-out. We could also use better kill setups.

'Kicks' · Jan 8, 2010

yeah i mean i do not know what the smash term is but pit has great DPS so getting someone to a killing percent is not hard. And we can arrow camp and stale our arrows to refresh killing moves. He def has a lot of tricky setups that people just do not know about yet. I am trying to bring light to some of it in the meta game forum but i need all the inputs from all the pits.

Smashragde · Jan 10, 2010

the mexican pit are great ;D that why pit is up there in the tier list :/ adn and me are great examples of the pit power in mexico O_O

Stryks · Jan 20, 2010

Ahem, ragde, y yo que wei?

Yeah I saw this a while back, kinda weird seeing pit in A tier, he has potential but idk if he's A tier caliber, again idk, and lol at no one complaining about this, everyone's like 'OMG COOL 8D'.

Personally I'd hate if Pit were top tier, just saying.

And sigh... ganon can never catch a break :/

Also the hitbox video helps a lot, basically if you hist the middle bubble of the Dtilt that will cause the spike.
And wow at the range of the pivot grab

Problem2 · Jan 23, 2010

woah, why is kirby so low in Mexico? o_o

Next question. Why is Mexico's tier list in the Pit Boards?

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