DK's Hitboxes

Big O · Nov 22, 2009

Here is the video with DK's hitboxes shown via frame hacks and modifactions the DK's .pac in PSA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qExAo_hAXhI. I did most of the PSA hacking and Chaosgriffin did the recording and helped me out with some of PSA hacking as well. The fixes for down b, up b , and the pivot grab (omitted by accident) will be in the next video when we find out how to fix down b. I will post the .pac later as well if you are interested in looking at it or helping us figure out how to get down b working.

Veggi · Nov 22, 2009

Hot stuff.

DK's aerials are ridiculous other than his nair. Down smash is pretty crazy too.

Ragnar0k · Nov 22, 2009

Awesome job.

Chaosgriffin · Nov 22, 2009

I also forgot to put in the dash attack, well whenever Big O and i figure out the down b, we will upload a new video with everything on it, just like he said.

Luigi player · Nov 22, 2009

Nice, thanks for showing them. =)

Could you maybe do all of DKs moves in the second video without slowmotion? It would help too, and maybe on a stage with a background where you can see the hitboxes better (like Pictochat or something) and without a tag, because sometimes you don't really see the hitboxes that well (especially fair). (also could you do angled up/down ftilt?)

I actually thought he would have just a very little bit more range. Maybe it just seems a bit smaller, because he leans forward often... ^^

Chaosgriffin · Nov 22, 2009

Yeah, next vid i will do it on a stage that you can see better. I will also try to do the other things you asked for as well.

ook · Nov 22, 2009

Awesome, I was looking forward to this.

the video length is 7:40, hehe

Tujex · Nov 23, 2009

Amazing. Something all DK's should watch.

crifer · Nov 23, 2009

lol somehow it seems, that DK has not that insane range we thought,
but it´s only bc his head is going in the direction of the move,lol.

Conclusion: DK´s power comes from his head.

Kitamerby · Nov 23, 2009

crifer said:
lol somehow it seems, that DK has not that insane range we thought,
but it´s only bc his head is going in the direction of the move,lol.

Conclusion: DK´s power comes from his head.

DK has more power in his head than Mewtwo.

Seriously, though. DK's range is amazing. His arms are just gigantic.

Te-Jay · Nov 23, 2009

i was waiting for this. But yeah, his arms are huge and his head is so powerful.

A2ZOMG · Nov 23, 2009

How uninteresting. Most of his hitboxes are exactly where his limbs are. =/

B-air is cool, I'm pretty sure you also forgot Dash Attack btw.

F-air is funny. The hitbox stretches more towards the Z-axis the longer it lingers lol.

Ragnar0k · Nov 23, 2009

It's awesome how many moves hit above the name tag.

blakinola · Nov 23, 2009

How underwhelming :/

DK's Hitboxes are all where I thought they'd be. LOL at dair though. Soooo massive!

Luigi player · Nov 23, 2009

Africa said:
LOL at dair though. Soooo massive!

It still never beats the MKs tornado though

Ragnar0k · Nov 23, 2009

yes it can.

Silfa · Nov 23, 2009

Many of them were where I thought they'd be too, but it's really cool nonetheless. Nice work guys.

I thought many of them seemed pretty underwhelming at first in terms of range before I realised how he leans forward on some of them. Dair was lol though.

Hobs · Nov 23, 2009

I was most surprised by how small the f-smash is. It looks enormous when I use it.

Monkley6 · Nov 23, 2009

Watching his grabs makes me wanna say "stretch them fangles DK!"... </3 dash grab

Just a thought if you do another video... do dsmash over the edge maybe, since it kidna goes below his fists right? At least it feels that way (just a little)

No huge surprises, but i was surprised at the distance behind him it hits on the aerial punch

Edit: Nice DK suit & tie

Ragnar0k · Nov 23, 2009

In the next video could you do the moves on a platform?

bair is amazing. It's like the size of DK's body, but next to him.

D0N · Nov 23, 2009

In the next vid you should add in a pivot grab to see exactly how much extra range we get if any

Chaosgriffin · Nov 23, 2009

The pivot grab is not that much of an improvement from his regular grab, it extends beyond his fingers barely, and rag what is the point of the platform?

MK26 · Nov 23, 2009

send me the pac and ill try to get his down-b working

Ragnar0k · Nov 23, 2009

The platform lets us see how far below the ground DK's hit boxes go. The main move I would want to see is dsmash but after seeing that fsmash is pretty low I'd like to see it too. Oh yeah and down b once that gets working.

MK26 · Nov 23, 2009

ohhhhhh lol bair only looks huge because the graphic scales with the bone
might be the same with usmash and fair

Donkey Bong · Nov 23, 2009

now we can see why its so easy to hit DK out of his recovery, his hitboxes dont cover a lot

also, i think this is cool because if you look closely, nair has a small hitbox below it, and uair's hitbox ends in front of DK, so perhaps we can implement this into a safer aproach when facing the opponent? it would be good to be able to mix up our approaches so its not only bair, bair, bair, bair....

Luigi player · Nov 23, 2009

Donkey Bong said:
now we can see why its so easy to hit DK out of his recovery, his hitboxes dont cover a lot

also, i think this is cool because if you look closely, nair has a small hitbox below it, and uair's hitbox ends in front of DK, so perhaps we can implement this into a safer aproach when facing the opponent? it would be good to be able to mix up our approaches so its not only bair, bair, bair, bair....

Yeah you can also sh uair fast fall autocancel. It's nice and you can also retreat with it while facing the opponent, although I'm not sure how useful this is...

Ragnar0k said:
yes it can.

It never works for me. =/ the strong hit of dair never hits MK out of the tornado, same with fairs spike (~last frames of the fair). They always clank and I get hit... I hate it. It's easier to hit MK out of the tornado with bair, uair or even nair, lol (because it's at least possible somehow).

itsthebigfoot · Nov 24, 2009

Luigi player said:
It never works for me. =/ the strong hit of dair never hits MK out of the tornado, same with fairs spike (~last frames of the fair). They always clank and I get hit... I hate it. It's easier to hit MK out of the tornado with bair, uair or even nair, lol (because it's at least possible somehow).

really? if i can get it out in time it always works for me

also, can you guys test the hitbox on a 9 punch? i swear it's different than the full charge

Big O · Nov 24, 2009

itsthebigfoot said:
really? if i can get it out in time it always works for me

also, can you guys test the hitbox on a 9 punch? i swear it's different than the full charge

It has the same hitboxes as a fully charged punch, just a tad smaller.

@MK26 I can send you my .pac through AIM. Just tell me your AIM name if you are still interested.

itsthebigfoot · Nov 24, 2009

also, just for mental images, could you test the different ftilt angles? I wanna see where up angled hits, and whether or not i can ftilt people off the ledge with a down angled one

Big O · Nov 24, 2009

itsthebigfoot said:
also, just for mental images, could you test the different ftilt angles? I wanna see where up angled hits, and whether or not i can ftilt people off the ledge with a down angled one

I'll try and make sure that happens in the next video.

Is there anything you guys would like to have changed in the next video? Things that could be done differently or better?

itsthebigfoot · Nov 25, 2009

yeah, don't slow it down as much for each move (makes it kinda boring to watch),, and do each move twice so we don't have to rewind much

Chaosgriffin · Nov 25, 2009

Well i was doing it by myself so that why there is a delay, if I were to do all of the things that you guys are requesting, it would a really really long video like 15-20 minutes.

So I was thinking, in the new video why not only slow down and show the moves frame by frame for the moves that were left out or hard to see to in the first video, and others things. So far the list is. . .

Pivot Grab
Dash Attack
Fixed Down B (on platform) (and by ledge)
Fixed Up B (grounded and aerial)
Fair
Up Smash
Forward smash (on platform)
Down smash (on platform) (and by ledge)
Angled Forward tilts (up and down) (also near edge for down angled)
Ledge get up attacks (below and over 100%)
Get up attacks (from back and stomach)
Trip get up attack

Also real time for all moves, each move will be done twice or more.

DKwill · Nov 25, 2009

What about get up attacks from the ledge under and over 100%, and get up attacks from DK's back, stomach, and after tripping? Wouldn't it be helpful to include things like that as well?

Chaosgriffin · Nov 25, 2009

Completely forgot about those. ok updated

DKwill · Nov 25, 2009

Chaosgriffin said:
Completely forgot about those. ok updated

If I recall correctly from watching the Ganon hitbubble vid, it was necessary to use the other player to deal enough damage to Ganon to knock him over onto the ground (either the back or the stomach depending on the way he lands) to portray the get up attack from his back and stomach.

And there is only one get up attack from tripping, which is from the sitting position. Just thought I would further clarify based on what I remember seeing =)

Luigi player · Nov 25, 2009

The upB wasn't right in the video? What was wrong?

Big O · Nov 25, 2009

In the up b I messed up on the looping so it kept getting brighter as the hitbox glows kept stacking on each other. I fixed it before the video but I forgot to send chaosgriffin the fixed version in time.

Chaosgriffin · Dec 3, 2009

I can not figure what to do, where to go, or even how to start fixing DK's down b. If anybody finds out anything, learns anything. Please let me or Big O know thank you.

Big O · Dec 5, 2009

Would you guys like a different color for the hitboxes? I was thinking of making the color red or green. I think it will also get rid of the faint glow the hitboxes had in the first video.

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