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Watch for the bairs, usually they will try to chain them or WOP with them. you can punish after one back air.
Watch for grab release > Punch (sh*t hurts, might just be pixles and frames but it hurts you on the inside)
^^ stay under platforms BAN FD!!!!!!!!
if they DI inward after bite you can chain to another bite, i once got around 8 noms because he didnt DI away. (not kidding, it was tourney too!) i found it to be really gay and was facepalming myself for doing it but i couldnt stop, wario was just too hungry.
if you get a nom at 0-10% run up and grab. basically 1 nom + 0% = 100+ damage.
dont get too cocky though it might cost you the game. Play it cautiously, DK can pack a PUNCH
omfg dyno stop with the puns cant you see no1 likes you?
Clap works rather well too, u can chain a couple for quick damage if you can read their airdodge well, DK will most likely air dodge just because he has no good moves that are fast while coming down.
Review for your test: 1 bite = 100 damage, juggle dk and read his airdodges. punish back airs. watch for his punch. dont get grab released. stay below platforms. Ban FD.
Watch for the bairs, usually they will try to chain them or WOP with them. you can punish after one back air.
Watch for grab release > Punch (sh*t hurts, might just be pixles and frames but it hurts you on the inside)
^^ stay under platforms BAN FD!!!!!!!!
if they DI inward after bite you can chain to another bite, i once got around 8 noms because he didnt DI away. (not kidding, it was tourney too!) i found it to be really gay and was facepalming myself for doing it but i couldnt stop, wario was just too hungry.
if you get a nom at 0-10% run up and grab. basically 1 nom + 0% = 100+ damage.
dont get too cocky though it might cost you the game. Play it cautiously, DK can pack a PUNCH
omfg dyno stop with the puns cant you see no1 likes you?
Clap works rather well too, u can chain a couple for quick damage if you can read their airdodge well, DK will most likely air dodge just because he has no good moves that are fast while coming down.
Review for your test: 1 bite = 100 damage, juggle dk and read his airdodges. punish back airs. watch for his punch. dont get grab released. stay below platforms. Ban FD.
I'd have to disagree with your choice of stages against DK. I wouldn't ban Final D. That's a good stage against DK even though Grab release wrecks you. It's better to play on this stage as opposed to a stage where DK can camp under platofmrs and make it very difficult for you to approach.
Maybe we are caring too much with grab release thing lol...
If DK misses a grab its an instant grab and CG, its too easy to do since you dont have to buffer...
Maybe we are caring too much with grab release thing lol...
If DK misses a grab its an instant grab and CG, its too easy to do since you dont have to buffer...
Normally I wouldn't mind about getting grabbed. However, DK and Peach are the only two characters I hate getting grabbed released from they kill way too early from a grab release. Especially DK who can do a charged punch from a grab release.
I'd have to disagree with your choice of stages against DK. I wouldn't ban Final D. That's a good stage against DK even though Grab release wrecks you. It's better to play on this stage as opposed to a stage where DK can camp under platofmrs and make it very difficult for you to approach.
I fully understand what you are saying, but i personally feel that FD is the way to go as far as bans. If DK is camping under a platform then that is better for wario. We have the projectiles. Also if DK is under a platform camping you and you are having trouble, then you are doing something wrong. You weren't under the platform first and you were approaching.
Maybe we are caring too much with grab release thing lol...
If DK misses a grab its an instant grab and CG, its too easy to do since you dont have to buffer...
I fully understand what you are saying, but i personally feel that FD is the way to go as far as bans. If DK is camping under a platform then that is better for wario. We have the projectiles. Also if DK is under a platform camping you and you are having trouble, then you are doing something wrong. You weren't under the platform first and you were approaching.
because its the only thing we need to care about in this matchup.
For some reason, if DK cargo grabs you (the one where he is able to walk around carrying you) holding up or down counts as if you were mashing as fast as you can on the controller. Wiggling the Cstick too also helps to break you out even faster. Everytime he cargo grabs you, make sure to do this, otherwise you'll be cargo throw stage spiked.
if he is under one platform. go to the other (im using BF as an example) crash your bike onto the stage/edge, throw it up,clap, get the wheel, throw, repeat until you are ahead in percent. what can dk do about it? not like he can approach wario or anything.
if he is under one platform. go to the other (im using BF as an example) crash your bike onto the stage/edge, throw it up,clap, get the wheel, throw, repeat until you are ahead in percent. what can dk do about it? not like he can approach wario or anything.
I know Wario is supposed to be really good on that stage but I'm not to comfortable there personally. I don't see why it's so well liked by wario's. Getting CP by a DK on brinstar is really lame. He kills earlier and his down B is practically the whole bottom half of the stage.
Na they have a way to deal with it even if you tech the cargo throw. It's better to just hold up. They made the vid private so I can't link it you but definitely don't think that teching the CSS makes you safe because it doesn't.
if he is under one platform. go to the other (im using BF as an example) crash your bike onto the stage/edge, throw it up,clap, get the wheel, throw, repeat until you are ahead in percent. what can dk do about it? not like he can approach wario or anything.
So I have to go to the other side of the stage. Bike onto stage. pick up my bike. Then uair it. Grab the wheel then throw it at him.....I don't see that happening.
So I have to go to the other side of the stage. Bike onto stage. pick up my bike. Then uair it. Grab the wheel then throw it at him.....I don't see that happening.
You know he can just shield the wheel or attack it, right, and then it's gone and you have to repeat the whole process. Wheels suck for anti-camping (super sexy for combos and mindgames though).
Oh, and the easiest way to break the bike is probably dair > upsmash, or just upsmash it a bunch. I believe if you break the bike w/ upsmash, the big wheel ends up RIGHT next to you.
You know he can just shield the wheel or attack it, right, and then it's gone and you have to repeat the whole process. Wheels suck for anti-camping (super sexy for combos and mindgames though).
Oh, and the easiest way to break the bike is probably dair > upsmash, or just upsmash it a bunch. I believe if you break the bike w/ upsmash, the big wheel ends up RIGHT next to you.
Its an option to pile damage without approaching. It also lures them. I dont see a reason not to do it. if he rushes while its in the air you can combo off the bike. you can also use it a an increased hitbox that doesnt hurt you only him which will make him try to space it (while its still in the air) so expect a bair. Ide rather do this than just wait for him to come towards me or try to beat his back air and approach or just do nothing and hop around which is considered "stalling"
and as for the tire: when i clap i let it bounce the 2-3 times that it does and i air dodge right after it break, i get the wheel almost every time. I'm not gonna say 100% because that will just be redundant.
personally i think its 55:45 or 60 : 40 wario has enough stuff to shut down dk , like dair and bite , just beware of the gr into a dk punch it hurts and alot xD or gr to upsmash. I prefer to ban fd or bf , dk is really tough on platforms.
I would never agree to that lol. A 0-death CG basically for getting grab released when you CAN SDI the kill moves and try to tech? I mean that's better than guaranteed death from almost anything that lands on you below 30%. Bite to Dash grab combos at lower %'s as someone mentioned (frame trap, he cannot avoid it) and you can Uair/Dair/Nair to Grab too.
For things that are obviously coming like a grab release kill move on Wario, it is immensefully easier SDIing it successfully. What you need to focus more on is getting the right directions down and inputting them clearly and very fast. It's very worth it even if you CAN'T get the tech.
I can bite to dash grab guaranteed under 30%
I can Uair to guaranteed grab under 30%
I can Dair/Nair/Fair and guaranteed grab at the right %'s
I can Moonwalk and DK can only do the Worm