Hitbubbles 'n stuff. 50% more Sore.

I didn't want to wait anymore, so I decided to put this up early. It's still missing info for each attack, hopefully we'll have GIFs and a YouTube vid up soon, and obviously there are two Pokemon missing. All in due time.

Also, I'm going to be stealing liberally from Kirk's terrific Ike Data Compilation thread and Shaya's existing work on PT frame data. The Charizard work was done by Chuckles_KSU. Without these guys, I'd be even lazier and this would have probably been delayed even more. Thank you.

History

[12/31/09] GO! Squirtle info and pictures! Barebones skeleton for future work.
[1/29/10] GO! Charizard pics (and Squirtle Dash Attack)!

To-Do List
(roughly in order of importance)

• Finish Squirtle/Charizard
  
• Get complete Stun and Lag data
  
• GIFs and/or video of hitbubbles
  
• Downloadable .pacs (megaupload isn't working, any suggestions?)
  
• Explain difference between fresh and fatigued attacks, and add into attack information
  
• Squirtle angled ftilt, pummel, wakeup attacks
  
• Learn how to find startup and IASA for smash attacks
  
• Ivysaur ()

Terms

Auto-cancel: The window of frames in which an Aerial will NOT recieve it's normal landing lag. Applies to all Aerials.

Base Knockback: The intial, static knockback of an attack. Characters always get knocked back by this amount regardless of damage.

Charge: The first frame an attack is able to be charged. Applies to Smashes and certain Special Attacks.

Damage: The amount of damage an attack(NOT stale) inflicts on the opponent. Measured in Damage Percent.

Earliest Jab #: The earliest frame that a jab can flow into the next. This is only used if the jab connects with something. Applies to Jabs only.

Earliest Jab Loop: The earliest frame that a jab can loop back to Jab 1. This is the frame used when you are holding down the "A" button and the Jab does not connect with anything. Applies to Jabs only. Steeler's note: I think this is the same as the quickest you can move after a jab cancel.

Frame Advantage: This will be labeled as ADVANTAGE in the data below. This is how soon you can act in relation to your opponent after you hit their shield with some attack. This will usually be a negative number(i.e. they will be able to act sooner than you can). This is a very useful tool in determining which attacks are safe and which are not.

Frame Advantage Formula: The formula for Frame Advantage is: [Hit Frame] + [Shield Stun + Shield Hitlag] - [Duration + Hitlag], where the Duration is 1 frame less than the IASA Frame of an attack, and the Hit Frame used is the 1st frame the hitbox emerges. Keep this in mind, as hitting with a later portion of a given hitbox will produce a better Frame Advantage overall, naturally.

Helpless Frames: The frames where a character cannot perform any action until a certain requirement is met, usually touching the ground or grabbing the ledge.

Hit on: The frames an attack can hit your opponent. If an attack hits more than once, it will have multiple hitboxes, and will be noted as such.

Hitlag: These are the frames of an attack where both you and your opponent are "frozen." Hitlag only occurs if an attack successfully connects with something.

Hitlag Multiplier: This is a value the game uses to modify the hitlag of an attack. The default multiplier is "x1," which essentially keeps the hitlag to it's normal value. This value will only be listed if it is NOT "x1."

IASA: "Interuptable As Soon As" frame. This is the frame where you can interrupt the current action with another one.

Invincibility: The frames in which you are impervious to attacks. Applies to Dodges and actions From the Ledge.

Knockback Growth: The value that determines how much the knockback scales with damage. This is the additional distance a target is knocked back proportional to the damage.

SAF: "Super Armor Frames." The frames in which Super Armor is active. Applies to certain Special Attacks.

SDI Multiplier: Smash Directional Influence Multiplier. This is a value the game uses to modify how easy it is to SDI attacks. The default multiplier is "x1," which essentially keeps the "SDI-ability" to it's normal value. This value will only be listed if it is NOT "x1."

Shield Damage: A modifier that determines how much extra damage an attack does to a shield. For example, DK's Headbutt and Marth's Shield Breaker have very high Shield Damage modifiers.

Shield Hitlag: This is period of time your opponent is "frozen" when an attack hits their shield. This is usually the same amount of frames as the normal Hitlag of an attack.

Shield Stun: This is the period of time, immediately after Shield Hitlag, where your opponent is stuck in their shield(i.e. that cannot do anything). This is very important in calculating Frame Advantage.

Tripping Rate: The chance an attack has to trip an opponent. Attacks can only trip if they are sent into the ground with very low knockback(They don't get sent flying off of the ground). Measured in Percent.

Weight-Dependent Base Knockback : Knockback that is determined by weight. Think of this as what gives extra "stun" to attacks (I.E. This is what allows Squirtle's Jabs to continue to be a combo string).

• CLICK THE PICTURES TO VIEW A LARGER VERSION
  
• If the there is nothing to distinguish between hitbubbles, then all hitbubbles for that attack share the same data
  
• IASA (land) for aerials is the same as "landing lag", or landing outside the auto-cancel frames
  
• IASA for landing in the auto-cancel frames is simply landing from a short hop or full hop, depending on your air height
  
• Frame advantage is calculated from the first hitbubble, so what is listed is worst advantage possible; to figure it out from "x" frame simply add "x" and shieldstun together, then subtract the IASA frame from that sum
  
• The shieldstun values seem to be too large to me on some attacks, compared to what Kirk has down in his thread for Ike...

Without further ado...

SQUIRTSQUIRTSQUIRTSQUIRTSQUIRT

Jab 1



Hit on: 1-2
Earliest Jab 2: 5
Earliest Jab Loop: 14
IASA: 16

Damage: 3%
Base Knockback: 0
Knockback Growth: 100
Weight-Dependent Base Knockback: 15

Jab 2



Hit on: 4-5 (9-10)
Earliest Jab 3: 9 (14)
Earliest Jab Loop: 18 (23)
IASA: 25 (30)

Damage: 2%
Base Knockback: 0
Knockback Growth: 100
Weight-Dependent Base Knockback: 15
Trip Rate: 20%

Jab 3, aka the Turtle D***



Hit on: 5 (19)
IASA: 36 (45)

Damage: 4%
Base Knockback: 0
Knockback Growth: 120
Weight-Dependent Base Knockback: 0

Dash Attack



Forward Tilt



Hit on: 4-7
IASA: 18

Damage: 6%
Base Knockback: 0
Knockback Growth: 100
Weight-Dependent Base Knockback: 0

Note: All hitbubbles for all 3 tilt angles share the same data, afaik.

Up Tilt



Hit on: 5-8
IASA: 18
Shield Stun: ?
Shield Hitlag: ?
ADVANTAGE: ??

Damage: 6%
Base Knockback: 0
Knockback Growth: 100
Weight-Dependent Base Knockback: 0

Down Tilt

Linking Hits

Final Hit


Hit on: 6, 8, 10, 12, 14
IASA: 36
Shield Stun: ?
Shield Hitlag: ?
ADVANTAGE: ??

Damage: 2%, 5%
Base Knockback: 0, 0
Knockback Growth: 100, 130
Weight-Dependent Base Knockback: 6, 0
Trip Rate: 40%

Forward Smash



Hit on: 18-22
IASA: 58
Super Armor: 17-22

Damage: 14%
Base Knockback: 0
Knockback Growth: 100
Weight-Dependent Base Knockback: 0
Hitlag Multiplier: x1.2

Up Smash

First Hit

Jetstream Hits


Hit on: 18, 19-24
IASA: 65

[First Hit/Bottom Jetstream/Bottom Mid Stream/Mid Stream/Top Mid Stream/Tip Stream]
Damage: 3/13/11/9/7/5 %
Base Knockback: 0
Knockback Growth: 90/87/90/90/90/90
Weight-Dependent Base Knockback: 110, 0 (all stream hits)

Note 1: First hitbubble is a weak hit that links opponents into the jetstream hits.
Note 2: First jetstream hit is the strongest, the rest weaken the further up they are. Each frame after the first stream hit adds a hitbubble until all 5 disappear together.

Down Smash



Hit on: 17-30
IASA: 52

Damage: 11%
Base Knockback: 0
Knockback Growth: 102 (inner hits), 85 (outer)
Weight-Dependent Base Knockback: 0
Trip Rate: 40%

Neutral Air



Forward Air



Back Air



Up Air



Down Air

Linking Hits

Final Hit


Grab



Dash Grab



Pivot Grab



Water Gun



Withdraw



Waterfall

Linking Hits

Final Hit


Ledge Attack

< 100%

> or = 100%


CHARORORROUOOOOOOOOzard

Jab 1



Jab 2



Jab 3



Dash Attack



Forward Tilt



Forward Tilt (Up)



Forward Tilt (Down)




Up Tilt



Down Tilt



Forward Smash




Up Smash





Just a few frames out of the total duration.

Down Smash



Neutral Air (First Hit Frame)



Neutral Air (Last Hit Frame)



Forward Air






The first two have knockback, the last two do not. Disappointing.

Back Air




Up Air



I noticed something very interesting regarding uair. Charizard flaps his wings once while the hitbubbles are out and that moves his body up a little bit. Very useful if you are at the peak of your jump or still rising. Don't think it has much of an effect if you are falling.

Beast Air



Use this move out of full hop more.

Grab



Dash Grab



Pivot Grab



I was kind of disappointed, imagine if pivot grab had that extra disjointed bubble that most other characters (like Squirtle) have.

Da Rawk



I am trying to find out how to illuminate the Rock Smash shards.

Fly





Ledge %<100



Ledge %>100



Ivy Sore

there is a glitch when i try to do this for ivy's vine attacks so none of that for now

Dash Attack

forgot about it

Forward Tilt



Up Tilt




Up Tilt




Forward Smash




Nuke Smash

forgot about it

Cute Air



Nuke Air



yeah, the entire platform

****ty Nuke Air



Grab



Pivot Grab



Bullet Seed?!?!!!!!!!!!



now you finally know

Ledge Attack Under 100%



Ledge Attack Over 100%




i may have misplaced this onto the bulb instead of ivy's body, but this gives you a good idea either way

i can't take it anymore

i need a break, i been working on this for the past 18 hours or so (with sleep thrown in)

good ish steeler most attacks = his body is a hitbox plus sume more. ftilt nd dsmash is uber. the jetstreams frm upsmash may be usefull for a follow up sh fair only if lag wasnt that horrible!!!

Holy **** Steeler marry me

thank you thank you thank you!

Yay good stuff Steeler

u-tilt, d-air, pivot grab make me smile

Squirtle friggin huge.

Thanks, Steeler! :D

god ****, that is awesome. nice job!

with chuckles' work, ivysaur should be up soon and charizard will follow

i told you guys ftilt was amazing

spam the ftilt... just imagine if squirts run were a little faster, he'd be broken with that 1 move alone!

Good work Steeler.

I just noticed your sig.

Awesome, awesome, awesome.

Hey steeler, if you have not done so I can do charizard and send you the .pac if you want.

So this thread shows the hit box of the Pokemon right?

Chaosgriffin said:

Hey steeler, if you have not done so I can do charizard and send you the .pac if you want.

Click to expand...

actually someone else (chuckles) has already done a charizard .pac, which i have. he says he's working on an ivysaur as well. i'm not sure of whether he has charizard pics or not. i'll ask and take the pics myself if he doesn't.

Steeler said:

actually someone else (chuckles) has already done a charizard .pac, which i have. he says he's working on an ivysaur as well. i'm not sure of whether he has charizard pics or not. i'll ask and take the pics myself if he doesn't.

Click to expand...

Well then in that case, do you think you can give me the .pac files?

Hmmm...yeah, shieldstun values are WAY too high.

Shieldstun comes after the shieldhitlag. They are unfrozen from the shieldhitlag, and they start to slide back, but they are stuck in their shield still. This is usually only 1-2 frames, more if the attack is stronger, naturally.

are you sure there arent any scaling errors there?

seems like none of squirtle's body parts scale to me

sorry chaosgriffin, i'll put the .pacs up shortly

i'll take the shieldstun values out in the next update, kirk. thanks.

Sorry guys for the delay. Long story short, IRL stuff got in the way. Finding a job in America right now is rough business. :/ Anyway, just spent the last few days catching up, and not that I'm in the post-filling-out-an-application-for-every-durned-place-in-town-waiting-for-a-call phase of things, I should have time to get back to work on all this.

CHARORORROUOOOOOOOOzard

Wow, dsmash has a LOT more range than I thought.

^Just remember it still only hits grounded opponents, so even though it looks like that it's still fairly useless.

I thought I'd emphasize this:



I think it'd definitely be worth it to find out the latest from you can input the d-air out of a full-hop and still have it autocancel (ie- get that hitbox as low to the ground as possible).

Even Charizard has a good full-hop d-air <3

iirc, buffered full hop dair will autocancel and hits every character except like olimar and squirtle standing on the ground.

don't think it's possible to hit crouchers and still autocancel

Why don't you have the actually GOOD Pokemon's hitbubbles yet? :/

lol <3 meno

....dair.... <3

lol at the Jab3

Hmm Charizard's Dair seems a little too good to be true. I thought the hit bubble was only at the tip of the heels.

there you have (some of) it

i forgot to thumbnail this **** but i am way too lazy to go back and do that

Very nice. Don't forget aerial bullet seed. It has a bigger pop up hitbox

Finallyish.

Wow, Ivysaur sucks. I was hoping to see the hitbox for Up B, I'm not sure how to sweetspot it on people directly above me.

Explains why its so easy for people to grab me out of fsmash. So Utilt can hit people on the ledge if I face away?

nice, this will help out my game already

I have Ivy's Dash Attack, Jab, and Up-Smash.





I'll take some pictures of jab later.

try and see if you can get bair/dtilt/etc working because i simply cannot

Any idea where the sweetspot portion of Ivysaur's D-Air is?

The bulb itself, I accidentally hit it when I don't want it to : (

Ah this is very nice and much needed, ty for the time imputted into this