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Ray_Kalm · Mar 8, 2010

A couple of matches I've recently uploaded & played. Not a good idea of me to be making a separate thread for this but, more attention. I want you to comment, criticize etc..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI2WBiNVB2k Vs. Ike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv5-aIK-6KQ Vs. Ike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmDzF65rRd4 Vs. Samus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPCom7yCJ8o Vs. Rob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_06ZA275hxU Vs. Falcon

WhatIsRaizen? · Mar 8, 2010

omg.. vs. that falcon and samus .. you played it so perfectly.. wow

PhantomX · Mar 8, 2010

Was this online? You weren't powershielding Samus' projectiles much.

Ray_Kalm · Mar 8, 2010

All but Ike's were online. Also, I think I was powershielding quite well. Or at least avoiding her projectiles.

Hobs · Mar 8, 2010

While I was watching, I began to realize that Ganon's metagame can delve into edgeguarding much better in the future. Kalm shows lots of times where he keeps the pressure on and ensures that knocking them offstage is good for a KO (more so on the low-tier characters shown here, obviously). When you think about it, Ganon has a decent array of gimping moves. The boot of course, tipman, etc. Ganon's speed factor is buffed in edgehogging because of the WKC.

So basically, I guess I'm trying to say Ganon's should be trying to perfect their gimping game. Once Ganon has an opportunity, he needs to seize it. For example, did you know you can spike Ike out of Aether? It's easy enough (for me, on wifi) to lure them into doing a high aether. They try to suck me into the multi-hits and then I jump out of reach and spike them. I don't see much of that going on in vids I watch. Well, that's my 2 cents.

Ray_Kalm · Mar 8, 2010

Gimping Ike out of aether isn't necessarily easy. It's possible, but good Ikes will time it.

PhantomX · Mar 8, 2010

It's easy to spike him if you're on stage, otherwise it's dumb, just jump above where the apex of his Up B will reach, and dair, and it works every time. Ike is gimpable under all circumstances where he doesn't pivot his Up B if you go offstage after him, as well, and our Up B does silly things to him

Hobs · Mar 8, 2010

Ray_Kalm said:
Gimping Ike out of aether isn't necessarily easy. It's possible, but good Ikes will time it.

I'm just saying it opens up another option. If the Ike constantly does a low Aether (most likely), you might want to check out edgehogging. If he's getting offensive and starting Aether higher up, then a spike is possible. And of course this is just an example.

Edit: and what PX said, since he's more experienced than me.

Ray_Kalm · Mar 8, 2010

PhantomX said:
It's easy to spike him if you're on stage, otherwise it's dumb, just jump above where the apex of his Up B will reach, and dair, and it works every time. Ike is gimpable under all circumstances where he doesn't pivot his Up B if you go offstage after him, as well, and our Up B does silly things to him

In my matches against San, I didn't once attempt to spike him out of aether. I never really got the opportunity to. Wifi, yeah, but I should have been able to pick it up fast enough.

You tell me, were there opportunities which I missed in these matches? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgYz8a-Tf0w&feature=related & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2VusNUIflc#movie_player

PhantomX · Mar 8, 2010

I'll watch them probably on Wed when I have more time, or later today when I get sick of studying.

Ray_Kalm · Mar 8, 2010

Alright, that's fine.

@HomE · Mar 8, 2010

Lol... Kalm....

That last replay vs snake... that is me

I sent that replay to you for the combo vid, the last segment when i land the Gerudo -> jab -> Gerudo -> Jab -> Uair is one of my combo's i wanted in the vid...

Sooo i guess thanks for uploading my vid, but you might want to change the name, to @Home vs Nick...

I'm glad you like my vid tho, the fact that you could confuse my vid with yours is a complement..

Ray_Kalm · Mar 8, 2010

Oh, wow. Are you serious? I can't believe I did that.

It was all on mistake though. Had a bunch of people sending me replays because of GBCV2. Got a bit mixed up.

@HomE · Mar 8, 2010

Hahaha, really its fine, do you still want me to send you my replays again?

ps. The other videos are pretty sick, you should have known it wasn't you because I miss the first PS of the match XD.

The clip I wanted in the video was either from when i Tech -> Aerudo him at the end, or a couple seconds after that, after i land the first Aerudo coming back from on the stage.

TP · Mar 9, 2010

That ROB sucks....... so bad.......

I mean, he could at least try Nair every once in a while, or use ROB's insane grab game, or space at any point in the match.

Good videos ignoring that one.

Clai · Mar 10, 2010

I should point out that your second video 'against Ike' is the same link as your video against Samus.

Outside of specific stuff, I do notice that you tend to sit in your shield at times, and I feel that's practically inviting your opponent to come inside and mess you up, since Ganondorf's OOS options are pathetic. Your opponents don't take advantage of this, but anyone who can jab cancel well is going to wreck you if you sit in your shield too much. Also, if you feel you're being cornered, don't hesitate to snap the ledge and plank the opponent until you think it's safe to return. It would have helped in the beginning of the ROB match, where he had you pinned at the right side of the boat.

thexsunrosered · Mar 10, 2010

higher tiers please. You don't get 1900 on AiB by beating Ikes, Samus, and Falcon, so lemme see how you do that. I already know how to go to work on all of those people, I wanna see your tactics against the likes of MK, snake, DDD, etc.

San does not count btw >.>

Superspright · Mar 10, 2010

Patience is the Ganon way.

Z1GMA · Mar 15, 2010

Your mindgames are so good that I won't bother commenting on any of it, but I will comment on a few techniqual aspects.

Vs Ike #1:

At 0:14 you seem to press the stick all the way down when you Wizkick, thus the wizkick comes out much later than if you tilt the controlstick only half way down when pressing B.
Then again, you might have deleayed the wizkick on purpose to try and catch Ike off guard?

At 1:25 you could've Uair'd (maybe even Uair-gimp) Ike and still be able to recover, I believe.

At 1:45 you could've buffered the Nair after the fullhop, so that you'd be able to DJ+Uair.

--- I'll comment on the other matches later on. ---

Kitamerby · Mar 16, 2010

That ROB match.

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