Polymorphic Blades: Pit Frame Data updated: 6/23/2010

Katana_koden · Mar 14, 2010

Polymorphic Blades

Pit Frame Data

This is a more complete guide of Pit's frame data. Unfortunately our previous frame data was never finished.

Reading frame data may be difficult at first, but I will try to make it quite simple.

I will list his data in this format.

Name of skill

Start up- The frames before Pit can hit you.

Hit Box- The frames Pit's attack is out and causes damage.

Cool Down- The frames that pit is vulnerable after his attack.

Hit Lag- The freeze frames during the Hit Box Duration.

Shield Stun- The frames, if shielded, after hit box out, can't react after an attack has connected.

Advantage- Frames I calculated they will be able to punish during cool down.

Shield Drop Advantage- Frames (7) after shield dropped. Remaining frames they will be able to punish during cool down.

Damage- Damage given, quite obvious.

Growth- How much knock back scales with damage.

Knockback- The value of how strong the move is.

Hitboxinfo- I will determine how many and be specific.

IASA- The time you can input a command during an action
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Attacks

Jab 1

Start up: 1- 4
Hit Box: 5 - 6
Cool Down: 7 - 23
Hit Lag: 6
Shield Stun: 0
Advantage: 13
Shield Drop Advantage: 6
Damage: 3
Growth: 10
Knockback: 28
Hitboxsinfo: 4
IASA:
- frame 7 for jab 2 if tapped
- frame 15 for jab 2 if held
- frame 19 earliest to finish move

Jab 2

Start up: 1-4
Hit Box: 5-6
Cool Down: 7-25
Hit Lag: 6
Shield Stun: 0
Advantage: 14
Shield Drop Advantage: 7
Damage: 3
Growth: 0
Knockback: 28
Hitboxsinfo: 4, closest ones give more directional knockback
IASA:
- frame 8 for jab infinate if rapid tapped
- frame 9 for jab 3 if tapped
- frame 15 for jab 3 if held
- frame 20 earliest to finish move

Jab 3

Start up: 1 -3
Hit Box: 4 - 10
Cool Down: 11 - 35
Hit Lag: 6
Shield Stun: 1
Advantage: 21
Shield Drop Advantage: 14
Damage: 5
Growth: 32
Knockback: 46
Hitboxsinfo: 4, all hits same direction
IASA:
- frame 1 for jab infinate to start instead.
- frame 31 earliest to finish move

Jab Infinite

Start up: 1-5
Hit Box:6-7, hits every 2 frames with 1 sec. intervals 11 attacks per rotation (continuous)
Cool Down: 34-45
Hit Lag: 4
Shield Stun: 0
Advantage: 9
Shield Drop Advantage: 2
Damage: 1's and 2 on farthest hitbox
Growth: 0, 19, 19, 30 according to closest to farthest hit box from body
Knockback: 64, 82, 82, 64 according to closest to farthest hitbox from body
Hitboxsinfo: 4 hit boxes repeating an up and down wave, farthest hitbox knocks them farthest.
IASA: None

Down Tilt

Start up: 1 - 5
Hit Box: 6 - 8
Cool Down: 9 - 29
Hit Lag: 9
Shield Stun: 1
Advantage: 19
Shield Drop Advantage: 12
Damage: 11
Growth: 50
Knockback: 32
Hitboxsinfo: first 2 hits downwards, last 2 hits upwards
IASA: None

Forward Tilt

Start up: 1 - 13
Hit Box: 14 - 16
Cool Down: 17 - 40
Hit Lag: 9
Shield Stun: 2
Advantage: 23
Shield Drop Advantage: 13
Damage: 12
Growth: 12
Knockback: 95
Hitboxsinfo: 4, all hits same direction
IASA: frame 39

Up Tilt

1

2

3

Start up: 1
Hit Box: 2, 8 - 10, 15 - 18
Cool Down: 19 - 35
Hit Lag: 0, 7, 7
Shield Stun: 0, 0, -1*
Advantage: 16
Shield Drop Advantage: 9
Damage: 3, 6 ,7
Growth: 0, 0 , 60
Knockback: -
Hitboxsinfo: -
IASA: None
* apparently you can react during the final hit box is out

Dash Attack

Start up: 1 - 6
Hit Box: 7 - 9
Cool Down: 10 - 45
Hit Lag: 9
Shield Stun: 4
Advantage: 32
Shield Drop Advantage: 20
Damage: 9, 12, 11, 11 from closest hitbox to farthest
Growth: 14
Knockback: 64
Hitboxsinfo:-
IASA: frame 41

Smashes

Forward Smash

1

2

Start up: 1 - 5
Hit Box: 6 - 8, 18 - 20
Cool Down: 21 - 47
Hit Lag: 7, 9
Shield Stun: 0, 2
Advantage: 27
Shield Drop Advantage: 17

Charged- First hit on 5

Down Smash

1

2

Start up: 1 - 4
Hit Box: 5 - 6, 18 - 20
Cool Down: 21 - 40
Hit Lag: 10, 8
Shield Stun: 3, 1
Advantage: 20
Shield Drop Advantage: 24, 12

Charged- First hit on 4

Up Smash

1

2

3

Start up: 1 - 5
Hit Box: 6, 11, 18
Cool Down: 19 - 46
Hit Lag: 6, 5, 8
Shield Stun: 1, 1, 2
Advantage: 28
Shield Drop Advantage: 18

Charged- First hit on 4

Aerials

Down Aerial

1

2

Start up: 1 - 9
Hit Box: 10 - 12
Cool Down: 13 - 36
Hit Lag: 9
Shield Stun: 4
Auto cancel IASA:
- IASA 6 frames before hitboxes out
- IASA on 36 from auto cancel.
- First Aerial Frame on 37.
Landing Lag: 30

Forward Aerial

Start up: 1 - 11
Hit Box: 12 - 15
Cool Down: 16 - 38
Hit Lag: 10
Shield Stun: 1
Auto cancel IASA: 28
Landing Lag: 15

Neutral Aerial

multi hits

Final hit

Start up: 1 - 3
Hit Box: 4, 7, 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25
Cool Down: 26- 51
Hit Lag: 5 per hit 6 on last hit box
Shield Stun: 1
Auto cancel IASA:
- IASA 3 frames before hitboxes out
- IASA on 30 from auto cancel.
Landing Lag: 30

Back Aerial

Start up: 1 -8
Hit Box: 9 - 25
Cool Down: 26 - 39
Hit Lag: 7 , 10 on Sweet Spot
Shield Stun: 2, 6 on Sweet Spot
Auto cancel IASA: 28
Sweet spot: 9 - 10
Landing Lag: 15

Up Aerial

Start up: 1 - 8
Hit Box: 9-10, 12-13, 15-16, 18-19, 21-22, 24-25
Cool Down: 26 - 44
Hit Lag: 5
Shield Stun: 0
Auto cancel IASA:
- IASA 4 frames before hitboxes out
- IASA on 37 from auto cancel.
Landing Lag: 30

Glide Attack

1

2

Start up: 1 - 5
Hit Box: 6 - 11
Cool Down: 12 - 34
Hit Lag: 9
Shield Stun: 4

Grabs

Standing Grab

Start up: 1 - 5
Hit Box: 6 - 7
Cool Down: 8 - 29
Advantage: 22

Dash Grab

Start up: 1 - 9
Hit Box: 10 - 11
Cool Down: 12 - 39
Advantage: 28

Pivot Grab

Start up: 1 - 8
Hit Box: 9 - 10
Cool Down: 11 - 35
Advantage: 25

Specials

Palutena's Arrow

Start up: 1 - 19
Hit Box: 20 - Infinite
Cool Down: 21 - 43
Hit Lag: 6 - 9 Charge Dependent
Shield Stun: 1
Advantage: 23
Shield Drop Advantage: [14] - (hit lag(7 through 9) - ( distance)

6 frames to hit if arrow is charged
7 frames per direction changed while charging
Travel 19 frames across Battle Field
Travels 22 frames across Final Destination

Angel Ring

Start up: 1 - 11
Hit Box: 12 - 13* 15 - 16, etc etc , 39 - 40 (continuous)
Cool Down: 41 - 63
Hit Lag: 5
Shield Stun: 0
Advantage: 23
Shield Drop Advantage: 15

Wind Box starts hits on 41
ART cancels on frame ??
* Hits on frame 12 but damages on 13.

Mirror Shield

Start up: 1 - 3
Super Armor: 4 - 5 (ground only)
Reflects: 6 - 25
Reflect Physical Attacks: 6 - 17
Cool Down: 26 - 39
Advantage: 14
Shield Drop Advantage Lol: 6

Wing of Icarus

Invincibility: 1 - 4 - (5) body can be hit but technically invincible. (ground only)
Wind Box: 5 only
Duration: 195
Ground WoI: 29 Before Canceling
Aerial WoI: 17 Before Canceling
Fatigued Land: 40

A Wing Dash is actually only 27 frames.
Start up: Jump 1 - 6
WoI: 7- 24
Cancel WoI: 25 - 27

Recovery

Slip

Standing slip (walking into banana)
Invincible: 1-6
Cool Down: 7- 21

Turning slip (like a pivot slip)
Invincible: 1-7
Cool Down: 8- 25

Dash Slip (Initiating a dash)
Invincible: 1-8
Cool Down: 9- 38

After the animation is done for slipping you can initiate a recovery action

Attack
Start up: 1 - 18
Hit Box: 19 -20, 30 - 31
Cool Down: 32 - 51
Invincibility: 1 - 8

Slip Stand
Duration: 29
Invincibility: 1 - 17

Slip Roll Forward
Duration: 35
Invincibility: 1 - 10

Slip Roll Back
Duration: 35
Invincibility: 1 - 10

In summary, the same as our normal recovery but with less invincibility. Attack recover starts 2 frames slower.

Ledge under 100%

Attack
Start up: 1 - 23
Hit Box: 24 - 28
Cool Down: 29 - 55
Hit Lag: 9
Invincibility: 1 - 23
Advantage: 26

Jump
Duration: 16
Invincibility: 1 - 15

Stand
Duration: 34
Invincibility: 1 - 26

Roll
Duration: 49
Invincibility: 1 - 27

100% and over

Attack
Start up: 1 - 37
Hit Box: 38 - 42
Cool Down: 43 - 69
Hit Lag: 8
Invincibility: 1 - 37
Advantage: 26

Your body isn't in a normal state till after you attack finished unlike the attack if under 100%, your body isn't normal till after invincibility

Jump
Duration: 19
Invincibility: 1 - 22

Stand
Duration: 59
Invincibility: 1 - 55

Roll
Duration: 79
Invincibility: 1 - 50

Floor Recovery

Attack
Start up: 1 - 15
Hit Box: 16 -18, 23 - 25
Cool Down: 26 - 49
Invincibility: 1 - 28
Advantage: 22

Stand
Duration: 29
Invincibility: 1 - 22

Roll Forward
Duration: 35
Invincibility: 1 - 20

Roll Back
Duration: 35
Invincibility: 1 - 25

Evasion

Shield is on Frame 1

Side Step/ Spot Dodge
Duration: 25
Invincibility: 2 - 20

Back Roll
Duration: 32
Invincibility: 4 - 17

Forward Roll
Duration: 27
Invincibility: 4 - 17

Aerial Dodge
Duration: 39
Invincibility: 4 - 29

Taunts

Up Taunt: 90

Side Taunt: 135
IASA: on 119

Down Taunt: 120
IASA: on 109

Miscellaneous

Jump start: 5 +(1) dead frame if not a buffered aerial.
Soft Land: 2
Hard Land: 5
Short Hop: 40 Fast falls on 24 or frame perfect is 23
Short Hop Fast Fall: 30 or frame perfect is 29
Full Hop: 60 Fast Falls on 33
Full Hop Fast Fall: 45
Glide FAIL: Slides 1 - 29

Ledge
Invincibility Frames: 46
Ledge Grab Lag Frames: 24
Ledge Drop Frame: 26

Thanks for reading. It is not completely finished, but I am motivated to finish it.

If I missed anything, please Let me know.

CorruptFate · Mar 14, 2010

Nothing really I can say here other then it looks good, and I enjoy the pix with the visual of the hit boxes. But this is more of a post so I can say that I update the Uguide with a link to this.

LaIotun · Mar 15, 2010

Never knew WoI had invincibility frames o_O
not sure how that would help though lol

Nitrix · Mar 15, 2010

Nice thread! Pits roll data was helpful

Admiral Pit · Mar 15, 2010

This is very sweet! Any chance we can get a video of this randomly, and may I use this topic for reference to the new thing I am working on?

EDIT: If you have AIM or MSN, could you contact me there? If not, get me on a PM here ASAP. I wish to discuss a few things.

Nitrix · Mar 17, 2010

I really think we should sticky this. It would make the forum more helpful

Nikenick · Mar 17, 2010

I really love this thread and it'll help a lot. Good job!

Katana_koden · Apr 15, 2010

This might need to have a sticky. Not much is needed to be discussed with frame data. But this will fall off the boards and is the most up to date guide for our frame data. Its very useful, that even I'm still referring back to it after I did the data. Sticky please. If it needs any changes, I will do it to improve it.

CaptainPlatypus · Apr 15, 2010

Glad this got a sticky. I was going to recommend that, along with attempting to do other things for the boards, but I've been somewhat busy with college and extremely lazy as of late.

Katana_koden · Jun 10, 2010

So much more work actually looking at the actual data for pit. Hope you guys like the new format that helps navigate better and less trouble loading the page.

KiraFlax · Jun 10, 2010

This will be ****. seriously awesome, thanks for making it so much easier to see the frame data too.

Katana_koden · Jun 18, 2010

Added slipping under Recovery, since the data is similar. I think if getting hit by diddy's banana, it causes an extra animation but not sure how to get it.

Veril · Jun 23, 2010

I noticed you're cooldown for f-air was one frame too long. Fair FAF is on frame 38, not 39 as would be the case if its cooldown were 16-38 as this thread implies. I've been checking on aerial FAF's that aren't iasa and saw this thread was off.

Add FAF for moves without IASA please instead of using duration/cooldown. It makes these threads much more readable. Not having autocancel points isn't good. ADD THESE as they are the optimal autocancel points for Pit's aerials nair 30, fair/bair 28, uair 37, dair 36.

iirc Pit has a 5 frame jumpstart, you may want to add that to misc.

great hitbox images!

Katana_koden · Jun 23, 2010

Thanks, I updated it.

Not sure about the Fair duration, or any of the others, they end their respected frames.
Those were visually counted at first, so I can accept the faults, but "Brawl box" shows the frames complete without interrupt that it's the same.

Dair on the other hand...

55 frames but earliest FAF on 37 and auto cancel on 36

Something I missed please?

Veril · Jun 24, 2010

nair, uair, fair and dair are accurate now. Bair the first actionable frame is 39, so that needs to be corrected in the same manner as fair.

The aerial durations are also 1 frame too low for both the SH and FH. Counting frame 0 as the jump input, pit lands frame 46 off a SH and 66 from a FH. Subtracting the landing frame and 5 frame startup yields 40 and 60 respectively.

Its worth noting that bair and fair both can influence these points because of how his model's component parts (bones/hurtboxes) shift during these aerials.

Aerial iasa and AC frames are from psa, other data (FAF in the absence of iasa and jump data) is manually gathered using frame advance (which is something I am extremely proficient in). I don't use brawlbox really.

Katana_koden · Jun 24, 2010

Slight correction to fix all that. Pit's jump start is actually 6 frames. He looks like he's in the air but no action can be done.

I had it under Wings of Icarus. I just forgot.

Veril · Jun 24, 2010

Pit's jumpstart is 5 frames. Buffered actions take effect frame 6. I think the dead frame on jump glitch might be what gave you the impression it was a 6 frame jumpstart, but its 5.

Here's a simple test you can do (which I used) in frame advance to prove or disprove what I just said. I'll spare you the full input map. The first frame of nair is pretty obvious but you should look at it in frame advance before doing this obv.

0: input jump
1: input nair
x: nair first frame occurs

x-1 = jumpstart

Gadiel_VaStar · Sep 16, 2010

Is it possible that we can get some shield drop adv. on Pit's aerials?

Katana_koden · Sep 16, 2010

I think its possible... I'll just have to calculate

Spaced.. basically like dair ... when is he vulnerable?
Landed Hit during and have landing lag
Aerial lag before evade? stuff like that..
Auto cancels...

I'll attempt though

TheOriginalSmasher · Sep 24, 2010

Is it just me, or does Pit have very nice hitbubbles?

SuSa · Oct 6, 2010

Thanks for taking over, and improving upon, my frame data research.

Glad someone managed to get it done, and even with hutbubbles!

Very nice.

Katana_koden · Oct 6, 2010

Thanks susa. Its lacking Extra stuff, but surely be added.

_Kadaj_ · Dec 30, 2010

I know this is a small detail but the data for shield drop advantage is labeled wrong

instead of say 20 frames it should be -20 frames (that being the actual amount of frame that the person has to punish you) when labeled 20 frames it makes it seem like you have a 20+ frames of advantage after doing a said move. Which isn't the case at all lol

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