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How does Ontario look in terms of diversity?

.Marik

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I conducted a little experiment.

Instead of attempting to theorycraft with complete strangers in Brawl Tactical, I wanted to display my findings with people I actually play and know, in a scene relevant to where I Smash.

The Brawl community is split on the decision of Meta Knight. Ban him? Don't ban him and learn the matchup?

Both have valid points, what I did was take everyone from the Ontario scene I can remember, and added their mains, in an effort of telling whether Meta Knight is indeed; overcentralized.

Next, I took the active Melee scene, and compared Meta Knight to Fox, which you'll see later on in the TL;DR post to come.

Then I made comparisions of both metagames in order to conclude an answer. I was curious as to how this would turn out, so bear with my intellectual rambling which will probably spur many disagreements.

This will give people a general outlook on what the Ontario scene looks like.

Please note, I have included Quebec Smashers who have entered Ontario tournaments from March 2009 onwards. This also includes Ontario Smashers.

A
indicates that particular person has quit Brawl/Melee or is inactive.

Please let me know if any of the selected characters are wrong, I'll change them.

KingAce: :metaknight:
Knuckles: :metaknight:
SilverDoc: :metaknight:/:diddy:
Holy: :metaknight:/:rob:
Mikey: :metaknight:/:snake:
Hype: :metaknight:/:marth:
Toronto Joe: :metaknight:/:fox:
Dimmy: :metaknight:

Anth0ny: :metaknight:

MDK: :metaknight:

Cruxis: :snake:
Decoy: :snake:
Mightychir: :snake:
Wild Card: :snake:
Fogel: :snake:/:rob:
Leafybug: :snake:/:marth:
Ally: :snake:/:falcon:
Marik: :snake:/:yoshi2:
Danny: :snake:

nvm: :diddy:
Jerk: :diddy:
Citrus: :diddy:
Hammabro: :diddy:
SRTM: :diddy:
Shifu: :diddy:
Pchan: :diddy:
Haze: :diddy:/:snake:
Pastaboy: :diddy:

Minus: :falco:
Fool: :falco:
Swordgard: :popo:
Vanitas: :popo:
Jasuke: :popo:/:fox:/:falcon:
Raidos: :popo:/:snake:
Nasir: :popo:

Millar: :popo:

Ambrose: :popo:

Sauc3: :popo:/:kirby2:

Techiyo: :marth:
Inle: :marth:
LivewiresXe: :marth:
LooftWaffles: :marth:
Iliad: :marth:/:falco:
SkylerSilver: :marth:/:kirby2:
Tasty: :marth:/:metaknight:
Tippr: :marth:/:ness2:
Han: :marth:/:yoshi2:
Zylem: :wario:
Gi: :wario:/:popo:
Nickcam: :wario:/:dk2:
MALCORE: :dedede:
Fashoomp: :dedede:/:lucas:
APU Relinquinshed: :pikachu2:
Lunchbox: :pikachu2:
AvariceX: :pikachu2:
Carter: :pikachu2:/:samus2:/:snake:
5ive: :pikachu2:

Bob Saget: :olimar:
Yumemaxx: :olimar:
Asian Kenny: :olimar:

Wolfblade: :lucario:
Linkshot: :lucario:
F1ZZ: :lucario:/:metaknight:
Patches: :gw:
Cyan: :gw:

Bug: :gw:

Lawlb0t: :gw:/:ike:

Pho: :toonlink:
Distructo: :toonlink:
Jigsaw: :toonlink:
Hells: :toonlink:
Insomnia: :toonlink:
Kuenzel: :zerosuitsamus:
RyanFW: :zerosuitsamus:
Sneak: :zerosuitsamus:

Percon: :kirby2:
HiDef: :kirby2:
JMO: :kirby2:/:mario2:
Buenob: :rob:
Sheep: :rob:
Tin Man: :rob:/:olimar:
Duy: :rob:

i1337: :dk2:
Mar1: :dk2:
Niko K: :peach:
Kizuzu: :peach:
HamNEggs: :peach:
Dud: :peach:
Riddlebox: :peach:
Akariss: :peach:/:dedede:
GUARD: :fox:
Mochi: :fox:
Wigi: :luigi2:
Freeroller: :luigi2:
KC: :luigi2:/:ike:
JustNoOne: :luigi2:/:popo:
PoisonMist: :luigi2:

Zephramrill: :pt:

Yukiwarashi: :pt:

Infzy: :sonic:
Drekken: :sonic:/:olimar:
MeekSpeedy: :sonic:/:ganondorf:
KingKong: :bowser2:
Phiddlesticks: :bowser2:/:mario2:
Troll: :lucas:
Splontot: :lucas:
FrenchToast: :lucas:/:fox:
Ricky: :lucas:

Hollow Core: :ike:
Benju: :ike:
Saus: :ike:
Matt07: :mario2:
Javon: :mario2:/:diddy:/:lucas:
ThatGuy: :mario2:

LKP: :mario2:

Aaron: :yoshi2:/:falco:
Brexer: :yoshi2:

Elefterios: :yoshi2:

Culex: :falcon:/:dk2:/:falco:/:samus2:/:snake:
Ayaz: :falcon:

Yoh: :samus2:/:falcon:
Jiggernaut: :jigglypuff:
PND: :jigglypuff:/:snake:
Dayzin: :zelda:/:dedede:
King: :zelda:

Crown: :link2:
Ray Kalm: :ganondorf:
ZedF: :ganondorf:


Condensed version:

A number without brackets is a main. [A number in brackets means a secondary] *A number in stars mean inactive*

:metaknight: 7 [2] *3*
:snake: 8 [4] *1*
:diddy: 8 [2] *1*
:falco: 2 [3] *0*
:popo: 4 [2] *4*
:marth: 9 [1] *0*
:wario: 3 [0] *0*
:dedede: 2 [4] *0*
:pikachu2: 4 [0] *1*
:olimar: 2 [2] *1*
:lucario: 3 [0] *0*
:gw: 1 [0] *3*
:pit: 0 [0] *0*
:toonlink: 5 [0] *0*
:zerosuitsamus: 2 [0] *1*
:kirby2: 3 [1] *1*
:rob: 3 [2] *1*
:dk2: 2 [2] *0*
:peach: 6 [0] *0*
:fox: 2 [2] *0*
:luigi2: 4 [0] *1*
:wolf: 0 [0] *0*
:shiek: 0 [0] *0*
:pt: 0 [0] *2*
:sonic: 3 [0] *0*
:ness2: 0 [1] *0*
:bowser2: 2 [0] *0*
:lucas: 3 [1] *1*
:ike: 3 [1] *1*
:yoshi2: 1 [2] *2*
:mario2: 2 [3] *2*
:falcon: 1 [3] *1*
:samus2: 1 [2] *0*
:jigglypuff: 2 [0] *0*
:zelda: 1 [0] *1*
:link2: 1 [0] *0*
:ganondorf: 1 [0] *1*​

THE MELEE LIST IS NOW IN THE POST BELOW DUE TO LACK OF SPACE.
 

.Marik

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Melee:

RaynEX: :fox:
Sauc3: :fox:
Sylar: :fox:
Cyan: :fox:
Gizmo: :fox:
M3GA: :fox:
Unknown522: :fox:/:falco:/:drmario:
Weon-x: :fox:/:marth:/:falco:
Niko K: :fox:/:peach:/:jigglypuff:/:falco:
GURU: :fox:/:shiek:
Moozles: :fox:/:falco:/:marth:
Zen: :fox:/:falco:
KC: :fox:/:falco:
Cman: :fox:/:shiek:
Chiisu: :fox:/:shiek:
MOG: :fox:/:falcon:

Switchblade: :marth:
Europhoria: :marth:
NDot: :marth:
I.B.: :marth:/:falco:
Leek: :marth:/:fox:
Sleaf: :marth:/:fox:
Nightmare: :marth:/:falco:/:jigglypuff:
Summonedfist: :marth:/:fox:/:falco:
Vanitas: :marth:/:popo:/:falco:/:falcon:
Sanniboi: :marth:/:falcon:

KirbyKaze: :shiek:
Ministry: :shiek:
Pwny: :shiek:/:fox:/:falco:
Worldjem: :shiek:/:pikachu2:
Acidile: :shiek:/:marth:/:fox:
Marik: :shiek:/:samus2:
Splontot: :shiek:

Leafybug: :shiek:

Anth0ny: :falco:
JPOBS: :falco:/:fox:
Sup3rCans1r: :falco:/:marth:
Kason: :falco:/:falcon:
Sanuzi: :falco:/:peach:
Drolian: :falco:/:bowser2:
Quenk: :falco:/:marth:/:shiek:
Dre: :falco:

Indignant: :falco:

JustNoOne: :falco:/:fox:/:ness2:

TyrantWolf: :peach:
Flan: :peach:
HiDef: :peach:/:ganondorf:
Kpm: :falcon:
The Mighty Kiwi: :falcon:
Afro Chris: :falcon:
BlurR: :falcon:
Santana: :falcon:
How2: :falcon:/:falco:
BL!TZ: :falcon:/:ganondorf:
AvariceX: :falcon:/:mewtwo:
Ayaz: :falcon:

Chaotic: :falcon:

Rikana: :falcon:/:falco:

Idea: :jigglypuff:
PND: :jigglypuff:
Pointman Rob: :jigglypuff:
Rest In Peace: :jigglypuff:/:ganondorf:
ShootingStars: :popo:
Blowtoes: :samus2:/:zelda:
Lanowen: :samus2:

Desh: :drmario:
Chlor0form: :drmario:/:fox:
Javon: :drmario:/:ganondorf:/:shiek:
Wak: :drmario:/:peach:/:falcon:/:falco:/:fox:/:popo:/:samus2:/:younglinkmelee:/:jigglypuff:/:marth:/:roymelee:
Kage: :ganondorf:
Lawlb0t: :ganondorf:
Millar: :ganondorf:

Wigi: :luigi2:
Stannum: :luigi2:/:dk2:/:kirby2:/:marth:/:falcon:
Luigi_Lova62: :luigi2:/:drmario:/:falco:
Stos: :link2:
4Serial: :link2:/:falcon:
Linkshot: :gw:
Alphameric: :gw:


Condensed version:

A number without brackets is a main. [A number in brackets means a secondary] *A number in stars mean inactive*

:fox: 16 [9] *2*
:marth: 11 [8] *0*
:shiek: 6 [5] *2*
:falco: 9 [16] *4*
:peach: 3 [3] *0*
:falcon: 10 [6] *3*
:jigglypuff: 4 [2] *0*
:popo: 1 [2] *0*
:samus2: 1 [2] *1*
:drmario: 4 [2] *0*
:ganondorf: 2 [4] *1*
:luigi2: 3 [0] *0*
:dk2: 0 [1] *0*
:mario2: 0 [0] *0*
:link2: 2 [0] *0*
:pikachu2: 0 [1] *0*
:younglinkmelee: 0 [1] *0*
:roymelee: 0 [1] *0*
:zelda: 0 [0] *1*
:gw: 1 [0] *1*
:ness2: 0 [0] *1*
:yoshi2: 0 [0] *0*
:bowser2: 0 [1] *0*
:mewtwo: 0 [1] *0*
:kirby2: 0 [1] *0*
:pichu: 0 [0] *0*​

Here are the connections I've been wanting to share.

Melee is not as diverse. Even with Meta Knight being dominant, diversity is still existant.

Fox is not Meta Knight of Melee. It's spectated Falco goes 55:45 against Fox on stages other than Final Destination. Fox can be counterpicked to different stages.

Fox rarely wins nationals. Besides the exception of Ally and ADHD, Meta Knight usually wins large tournaments or nationals.

Meta Knight cannot be counterpicked successfully, it revolves around how knowledgable the opposite player is with the selected stage and matchup.

Boredom does wonders.

This was simply an analytical first-hand summary of Ontario's Brawl scene, and I included Melee to compare samples.

This serves the purpose of allowing the Ontario scene to see what other people play, and how common or uncommon specific characters are in our region.

This is also just for fun, showcasing who everyone plays.


Concluded answers:

Even though Meta Knight is the best, the Ontario scene doesn't overcentralize around him. He isn't even the most played in our region, and certainly not overcentralized.

Fox is the most played character in Melee, but not overcentralized.

Melee's metagame is much more advanced, but like in Brawl, higher tiers are rampant.


The more you know, faggots. :yoshi:
 

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Fox does not win as many tournaments as MK does in brawl. Even though it's the best, fox simply has the potential. That's why he is ranked highest.

Also you can put me down under Fox/Falcon in melee.
 

.Marik

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Fox does not win as many tournaments as MK does in brawl. Even though it's the best, fox simply has the potential. That's why he is ranked highest.
Agreed. If humans had frame-perfect gameplay, it'd be a different story though.

Also you can put me down under Fox/Falcon in melee.
You've participated in an Ontario tournament?
 

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Alot of those character mains for the melee player are slightly off.

Weon-X - Take off Falcon, he plays Fox/Marth/Falco

Jpobs - mains Falco, plays Fox as secondary

Sauce - I've never even seen him play Fox EVER. He's a Jiggs/Ganon main

Pwny - I don't know where you got this information. He plays Falco only. lol
 

.Marik

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Alot of those character mains for the melee player are slightly off.

Weon-X - Take off Falcon, he plays Fox/Marth/Falco

Jpobs - mains Falco, plays Fox as secondary

Sauce - I've never even seen him play Fox EVER. He's a Jiggs/Ganon main

Pwny - I don't know where you got this information. He plays Falco only. lol
My bad. :yoshi:

Pwny used pure Fox/Shiek against me in tournament pools though. In fact, that's all he used for Nightmare's tournament.
 

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So many foxes! Yo can you put me down as fox/sheik instead of fox/marth now. I'm Cman btw and I don't play marth anymore lol.
 

.Marik

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So many foxes! Yo can you put me down as fox/sheik instead of fox/marth now. I'm Cman btw and I don't play marth anymore lol.
No problem.

needs moar Ottawa lol
look at the Melee: Ontario Player Finder thread created by Unknown522 for more information?
Already did. If it wasn't archived, then I don't feel like digging through hundreds of pages right now.
 

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Iliad: Marth / Falco

Jasuke: IceClimbers / Captain Falcon / Fox

Mikey: MK / Snake

Culex: DK / Falco / G&W / Snake / Captain Falcon (primarily DK/Falco/CF)

Raidos: Ice Climbers / Snake

Gi: Wario / Ice Climbers

Fool: Falco / Snake

MDK: MK

Danny = Inactive (LBT2 was an exception, he competes in the SF4 community)

Carter: Pikachu / Samus

Tasty: MK / Marth

Sneak = Koka

KC: Luigi / Ike

Drephen = Drekken: Sonic / Olimar

Ambrose = Inactive (LBT2 was an exception)

Pastaboy: Diddy (wtf where did you get bowser?)

Iceclimbers5 = Gichan (alternate account, iirc) and is therefore not inactive.
 

.Marik

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I'll get on that. :yoshi:

*Edit* I moderately recall a post by Pastaboy saying he secondaried/was working on his Bowser.

Can anyone confirm?
 

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Marik seriously. Culex mains DK / Falco / CF more than he does Snake or G&W.

Mikey hasn't played marth in like... a ****ing year. He's a snake / MK main.

Drephen is an american melee sheik player, you're thinking of Drekken from pownz, the gay black guy. He's a sonic / olimar main.

PND also secondaries snake IIRC. Jiggly is his "main" about as much as Link is my main.

*edit*

MDK never played sheik, you're thinking of GK, who is super inactive but you could add him to this list too.

You're also missing JustNoOne, luigi / climbers

And JMO the Kirby main who nearly beat nickcam at scarborough
 

.Marik

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I was thinking of Drekken, changed it though.

Hell, Culex always used to go Snake and Falcon, and even told me Samus was his main.

I haven't memorized everything, especially when people switch mains every three weeks.

By the way, JustNoOne has already been included. He's underneath Brexer.
 

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Mikey used to always go Marth, and I used to always go MK, and people can play as chars for matchups without it being their mains. Culex's falco and his DK are his best two chars, and his CF is debateably the best in Canada (Yeah ally)

Jasuke used to be a ness main, sauc3 used to be a d3 main, raidos used to be a TL main. It's all about current mains, not what they used to use all the time.
 

.Marik

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I never said it was about past mains, just that I haven't kept up to date with some of them.

Thanks for the corrections.
 

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Marik I haven't played Snake in a long time. I play Ness and Dedede as of right now. Also in Melee I play Falcon and Mewtwo.
 

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imo, you shouldnt be counting people who don't play anymore. Interesting thread though :D

And if you gonna add millar, you might as well add me. lol! thats so long ago. Oh yeah Millar played melee too. Ganon main.
 

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Marik

Distructo isn't incative, neither is Ambrose

Percon is Inactive, as well as Dimmy,

and add Diddy kong in front of Shifu's other mains
I thought Percon wasn't going to tourneys because of school. He still posts regularly to let us know he exists.

He's definitely not inactive enough to get taken off this list. He'll come around.
 

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What the hell? He went Ganon vs. Unknown. He plays alot of Ganon. He has gone Jiggs in the past for MMs and tournament matches. He only recently started playing Marth.
lol i was mostly kididng but he's actually been playing marth forever, just for whatever reason he just doesnt marth/fox in tourny.

he plays jiggs in doubles or if he's playing someone severely better than him in hopes of getting rest kills to level the skill gap.

and he went ganon vs unknown prolly cuz he knw unknown would trash his other characters and was hoping unknown didnt know the matchup well.

he never plays ganon/jiggs vs me anymore :(
 

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Very nice analysis of our smash scene's diversity, it's good to know there aren't loads of MK's.

Also, if you want, you can put me down for Sonic / Ganon on Brawl for there.

Also, I thought I switched my sig? S:
 

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I thought Percon wasn't going to tourneys because of school. He still posts regularly to let us know he exists.

He's definitely not inactive enough to get taken off this list. He'll come around.
inactive ppl are still on the list, and its just for the sake of accuracy, and lloking at the fact that his last tourney was in june, I'll believe he is attending a tourney when I see him there lol.
 

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1) I don't know if I should be inactive either. I still play Brawl doubles occasionally, just not singles. (Although I still occasionally enter as a troll and just plank, camp, stall, and trashtalk)
2) And add me for Meleeee (it has more e's because it's exciting) I main Jiggs
3) If you add Brawl+, I main Jiggs and secondary Sheik
4) For 64 I main Jiggs and Falcon
5) <3 Jigglypuff
6) Maybe the OP should be organized alphabetically / by location / or by main? That's one giant cluster**** that's hard to find any info in.
 

.Marik

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Marik

Distructo isn't incative, neither is Ambrose

Percon is Inactive, as well as Dimmy,

and add Diddy kong in front of Shifu's other mains
Distructo doesn't play vBrawl anymore, at least to my knowledge.

Put me down for Doc/Ganon/ Shiek melee and for brawl Mario, Diddy and Lucas
Sure haha.

imo, you shouldnt be counting people who don't play anymore. Interesting thread though :D

And if you gonna add millar, you might as well add me. lol! thats so long ago. Oh yeah Millar played melee too. Ganon main.
I added you as a Ganondorf player. I'll add Millar. As for Sauc3, should I add Marth to his name?

Thanks for the feedback. It's appreciated.

*Edit*

I was actually thinking of organizing this chronologically depending on said characters position on the Tier List 4.

This way, it's visually more appealing and easier to grasp said notion on whether overcentralization is a problem.

Should I? It will take some time, but I'm willing to do so.

WOW.

I have no more room to put character images. Looks like I need to improvise.
 
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