Wario's Week 35 Matchup Discussion: Samus!

First of all, thank you guys for hyping so much the Yoshi discussion, maybe it was the best discussion we have ever had(excluding the top tier of course), once again you rocked it out. Thank you so much!

This week we are discussing a character that PX loves to Fair its projectiles:

SAMUS

People who played/play Xyro77 (in case he name searches) be sure to share your knowledge here.

Good Discussion.

You can actually mess up zair spacing by crouching at close range. Uair could be used as a damage racker, which isn't much of a deal since Samus isn't quite the star at covering her landing (read: lulz fsmash). Shieldcamping is fine because there's little she can do about it. I won't give a ratio since I suck at those, but it's quite in Wario's favor.

Just quick stuff here, might add more later if no one else sees himself capable of doing so.

I have experience against Kadaj's Samus.

Fair offstage helps a lot.

Just be careful for the Zair throught platforms when you're edgeguarding.

P~X where you at!?

Last time Xyro played my Wario was like a year ago, lol. I don't know how they've changed since then.

About everything Lord Chair said could fill this.

There isn't much you need to know when fighting Samus, all you need to know if how to escape projectile spam and just don't try to gimp her. Trying to gimp Samus is the same as SD'ing, so a big NONO.

This matchup is so stupid. Wario wins, but it takes so long. A really good friend of mine has an awesome Samus, but I wont play it anymore because it's lead to some of the dumbest matches I've ever played.

You can play pretty aggressively (aggressive, not reckless) without being in too much danger. Approaching with powershields is the best option. You can get frame trapped air dodging through stuff. You wont take much damage if you do get trapped though, it'll just make you lose some of the space you've been trying to close.
You'll push through their bull**** and get them on the ledge. Up-B is annoying on the ledge. I'm not sure if anything Wario has beats it except for invincible ledge dropped aerials. Stage spiking with Bair and Nair is probably your easiest kill method off stage. You can Fair her away, but her recovery is pretty ok and she might get back. Zair has some crazy range for snapping the ledge.
You could probably try anticipating the Zair and just Nairing to the point where they swing down, but I've never tried it.
Everything Samus has at close range is pretty much trash. D-tilt is slow and predictable so expect to live to stupid high percents.
The only close up stuff I've seen work for her is reading my cross-up and then she retreating Dair spikes me into the ground and Nairs me away. But yeah, Samus can't cover her landings so land some wafts.

ZAAD said:

About everything Lord Chair said could fill this.

There isn't much you need to know when fighting Samus, all you need to know if how to escape projectile spam and just don't try to gimp her. Trying to gimp Samus is the same as SD'ing, so a big NONO.

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I can gimp anything.

Oh and stages.

FD- Oh god please no. Ban this stage on CP.
BF- Not too bad. Gives Wario so more approaching options. Protip: If you can put a bike on the platform on the side of the stage they are on it blocks missiles. If their missile is stale it'll take like 4 or 5 missiles before it breaks giving you plenty of time to get at them. Learn the magic place that makes it so when you bike jump and jump off it'll land it on the opposite platform.
Yoshi's- ???? I don't know. I don't remember ever trying it.
Lylat- Doesn't give an advantage one way or another, but it's rather long and you could probably do better.
Delfino- I think this might be Samus' second best stage. I'm not sure why, but I remember Hot Kaarl having some success here. Probably something to do with sharking.
Figate- The first transformation is awesome for Wario. Go all out here and try and take a stock. On the second transformation play more conservative and hope it changes back.
Brinstar- This stage makes Zair stay out forever. I know everyone loves this stage, but I couldn't get this to work for me.


Actually DMG and Masky might like FD. It'll make the match horribly campy and I know how much you guys dig that.

PhantomX said:

Last time Xyro played my Wario was like a year ago, lol. I don't know how they've changed since then.

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Nothing has changed for samus since then LoL.

PhantomX said:

I can gimp anything.

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but can you GRIMP?

What does that even mean?

a couple of samus bits to watch out for - uair spam, I don't know if it beats dair from below but I'm pretty sure it will from the side. Also samus is excellent at shield poking (pretty much every move except dtilt will poke), and her smash missile in particluar does great shield damage. She's also very good at edgeguarding, watch out for a deceptively long-ranged utilt when coming off the ledge.

Uair spam is really terrible against Wario. It really only works if you predict a dair, it doesn't beat Wario's bair, fair, airdodge or ground approach. Spamming renders the fact that it beats dair null and void, since Wario really has way more options than dair approaching.

yup, very true. Just pointing out things to watch out for.

I really like Lylat against Samus. The platforms work in our favour, and the tilting can really mess with their recovery. I do NOT like Yoshi's or FD, though. Platforms HELP with air-camping, lol.

No Samus in a right state of mind will take a Wario, or better yet any character except Sonic, to Yoshi's.

Why would you guys take Sonic to Yoshi's when he can dash around all invincible on there?