New Game and Watch Matchup Thread!! Currently: Ice Climbers

Vinnie · Jul 20, 2011

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is 3:7, and shouldn't really be attempted, unless you're a tryhard. I just go

or

against

. Lol.

Alphicans · Jul 20, 2011

I got ***** by ICs, but I'd like to play them more offline so I can play way more carefully vs them. Looks like 3:7 or worse to me atm, but maybe there is a way to play it so GaW stands a chance.

Would never do this on any neutral other than BF, or PS1.

TheSaintKai · Jul 20, 2011

Uh, sorry. My friend posted that on my account.

As an ICs main, I realize there isn't a b-air to b-air infinite. x)

SFA Smiley · Jul 20, 2011

Lol I was wondering about that but forgot to look it up

Splice · Jul 21, 2011

i guess we just dont have any good ICs

The best Snake in Australia seconds ICs (He's really only used them for Olimar and Wario in a tournament so far) and I destroy them with GaW if I just platform camp hard and use UpB to push them above the platform if they try to use aerials to poke at me.
Beats me with snake ofc

So anyway I guess I just don't really understand, why is it so bad? As if it's 70:30 that's, like, as horrid as a smart Marth player

Alphicans · Jul 21, 2011

IC's don't need to put themselves in a position to be pushed by the upB. They can just attack from the side, and they won't be pushed up. Uair beats dair always, and no aerial is truly safe. I've been grabbed after I smashed their shield, so basically nothing is safe. You gotta hit them by surprise and basically every hit needs to lead to killing nana or else you have no chance.

The good part is that if you kill nana, running from popo indefinitely is easy.

SFA Smiley · Jul 21, 2011

Can we time them out on an appropriate stage?

Alphicans · Jul 22, 2011

It's hard to time out both climbers, but I think it's possible, just very hard... Solo popo is easy as hell to time out though.

SpeedyJ · Jul 22, 2011

Is match-up discussion going to happen here from now on, or the other thread?

Splice · Jul 22, 2011

The other thread should stay, or incorporate them together.
We probs shouldnt have both

you may need a mod

SFA Smiley · Jul 22, 2011

Alphicans said:
It's hard to time out both climbers, but I think it's possible, just very hard... Solo popo is easy as hell to time out though.

I say that because the ics can just suicide to prevent being timed out

Alphicans · Jul 22, 2011

If you have a stock lead, timing out is now possible, even if both are present.

Makke · Aug 5, 2011

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PantyRaider08 · Aug 5, 2011

ICs Vs. G&W is hopeless. I played a ton with Vinnie last night and the MU is just awful. Lol at the G&Ws who ever thought it was 60-40. The only way you can win is either:
A. The ICs have a bad day.
B. CP
C. No ledge grab limit.
D. The IC main is garbage.

Alphicans · Aug 6, 2011

8:2 match-up probably. It's THAT bad.

Vinnie · Aug 7, 2011

Alphicans said:
8:2 match-up probably. It's THAT bad.

thi s

DJ Arcatek · Aug 11, 2011

So. G&W gets **** on by ICs, pretty much.

Ouch

Musical Rum · Aug 28, 2011

lol, IC matchup is unviable. Experienced this plenty of times against intermediate players. If you get grabbed it can be death and there's no safe aerial approach, gg

SaveMeJebus · Dec 15, 2011

Diddy vs. G&W is like 75/25 Diddy's favor. G&W can't really force an approach and all of his approaches get punished

Alphicans · Dec 15, 2011

Cool story bro. This is a dead thread about the ICs match-up.

SaveMeJebus · Dec 15, 2011

I thought this was just your MU thread.

SFA Smiley · Dec 16, 2011

SaveMeJebus said:
Diddy vs. G&W is like 75/25 Diddy's favor. G&W can't really force an approach and all of his approaches get punished

Gardex · Dec 29, 2011

That new matchup chart sure was ________

-LzR- · Dec 30, 2011

That new matchup chart sure was Doc Kingly awesome

Triforce Of Chozo · Dec 31, 2011

That new matchup chart sure was accurate.

Gardex · Dec 31, 2011

I found it to be fairly accurate, but there are like 3-4 MUs that I want to hear explanations for. I neither agree nor disagree with them, I'm just curious.
Some of those being ZSS and MK.

Someone care to give me the short summaries?

SFA Smiley · Dec 31, 2011

I think ZSS is even.

It's just... really even.

Alphicans · Dec 31, 2011

Gardex said:
I found it to be fairly accurate, but there are like 3-4 MUs that I want to hear explanations for. I neither agree nor disagree with them, I'm just curious.
Some of those being ZSS and MK.

Someone care to give me the short summaries?

Lol idk man. GaW panel voted for MK to be -1 and ZSS to be 0. I am nearly 100% sure the MKs agreed to -1, so idk wtf happened there, and we didn't talk much with the ZSS, so I guess the creator of the actual chart went with the ZSS opinion. Like I definitely do agree with ZSS being even.

Gardex · Dec 31, 2011

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that G&W does better than Lucas against MK.
And DDD.

Alphicans · Dec 31, 2011

eh, keep in mind not all -2's are the same. A DDD -2 vs MK would be really close to a -3, whereas our -2 would be closer to a -1. Kinda unlegit and confusing I know :/.

Gardex · Dec 31, 2011

Yes, but Lucas.

Lucas.

Being classified under the same ratio as him suggests that they're atleast somewhat the same against MK.
Which is, well, utter bull****.

Alphicans · Dec 31, 2011

Yeah, agreed there lol.

SFA Smiley · Dec 31, 2011

Nobody respects GW *shrug*

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