Standard Rules: All tiers included

Standard Rules:

Sleep clause:
You can't use sleep inducing moves on an opponent's Pokémon when there's another Pokémon on his/her team asleep. Yawn can't be used to PseudoHaze (make opponent switch) when there's another Pokémon asleep caused by you. When the asleep Pokémon awakens or faints, you're free to make another Pokémon of his/her team asleep. Sleep caused by Effect Spore or Rest are excluded from Sleep Clause.

Species clause:
You can't use two of the same Pokémon in a team. I.E. 2 Scizors.

Evasion clause:
You can't use moves that increases your evasion. I.E. Double Team and Minimize.

Self-KO clause:
This clause covers two things. First, when you and your opponent have only one Pokémon left, if you use Explosion or Self-Destruct, you automatically lose. Also, if you use Destiny Bond, with your last Pokémon, and your opponents last Pokémon faints you, you still lose. This clause was made to stop matches from ending in a tie. Recoil moves (Brave Bird, Double-edge, etc.), however, are excluded from this rule.

OHKO clause:
You are strictly prohibited of using OHKO moves. They are Guillotine, Horn Drill, Fissure and Sheer Cold.

No Hacks:
You cannot use Pokemon with illegal moves or stats (999 in all stats or something ridiculous). Legal Pokesav is fine.

No Hax Items*:
These are all the items that rely on luck to activate: Brightpowder, Focus Band, King's Rock, Lax Incense, Quick Claw, Razor Fang, Razor Claw, Scope Lens, Lansat Berry, Stick, and Lucky Punch.

Uber Tier


The following are banned from OU/BL/UU/NU

Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys (all forms)
Dialga
Garchomp
Giratina
Giratina-O
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Latias
Latios
Lugia
Manaphy
Mew
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Shaymin-S
Wobbuffet
Wynaut

Over Used (OU) Tier


The following are banned from BL/UU/NU:

Aerodactyl
Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Dragonite
Dusknoir
Electivire
Empoleon
Flygon
Forretress
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Jolteon
Kingdra
Lucario
Machamp
Magnezone
Mamoswine
Metagross
Ninjask
Rotom-forms
Salamence
Scizor
Skarmory
Smeargle
Snorlax
Starmie
Suicune
Swampert
Tentacruel
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Umbreon
Vaporeon
Weavile
Zapdos

Border Line (BL) Tier

The following are banned from UU/NU:

Abomasnow
Cresselia
Crobat
Froslass
Gallade
Honchkrow
Porygon-Z
Raikou
Shaymin
Staraptor
Yanmega

Under Used (UU) Tier


The following are banned from NU:

Absol
Aggron
Alakazam
Altaria
Ambipom
Arcanine
Azumarill
Blastoise
Blaziken
Chansey
Claydol
Clefable
Cloyster
Donphan
Drapion
Drifblim
Dugtrio
Feraligatr
Hariyama
Hitmonlee
Hitmontop
Houndoom
Kabutops
Lanturn
Leafeon
Ludicolo
Mesprit
Milotic
Mismagius
Moltres
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Omastar
Poliwrath
Qwilfish
Regirock
Registeel
Rhyperior
Rotom
Sceptile
Scyther
Slowbro
Spiritomb
Steelix
Swellow
Tangrowth
Torterra
Toxicroak
Typhlosion
Uxie
Venusaur
Weezing

Never Used (NU) Tier


Ampharos
Arbok
Ariados
Armaldo
Articuno
Banette
Bastiodon
Beautifly
Beedrill
Bellossom
Bibarel
Butterfree
Cacturne
Camerupt
Carnivine
Castform
Charizard
Chatot
Cherrim
Chimecho
Clamperl
Corsola
Cradily
Crawdaunt
Delcatty
Delibird
Dewgong
Ditto
Dodrio
Dunsparce
Dustox
Electrode
Entei
Espeon
Exeggutor
Exploud
Farfetch'd
Fearow
Flareon
Floatzel
Furret
Gardevoir
Gastrodon
Girafarig
Glaceon
Glalie
Golduck
Golem
Gorebyss
Granbull
Grumpig
Hitmonchan
Huntail
Hypno
Illumise
Jumpluff
Jynx
Kangaskhan
Kecleon
Kingler
Kricketune
Lapras
Ledian
Lickilicky
Linoone
Lopunny
Lumineon
Lunatone
Luvdisc
Luxray
Magcargo
Magmortar
Magneton
Manectric
Mantine
Marowak
Masquerain
Mawile
Medicham
Meganium
Mightyena
Miltank
Minun
Mothim
Mr. Mime
Muk
Ninetales
Noctowl
Octillery
Pachirisu
Parasect
Pelipper
Persian
Phione
Pidgeot
Pikachu
Pinsir
Plusle
Politoed
Porygon2
Primeape
Probopass
Purugly
Quagsire
Raichu
Rampardos
Rapidash
Raticate
Regice
Regigigas
Relicanth
Sableye
Sandslash
Seaking
Seviper
Sharpedo
Shedinja
Shiftry
Shuckle
Skuntank
Slaking
Slowking
Solrock
Spinda
Stantler
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tauros
Torkoal
Trapinch
Tropius
Typhlosion
Unown
Ursaring
Venomoth
Vespiquen
Victreebel
Vigoroth
Vileplume
Volbeat
Wailord
Walrein
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Wormadam
Wormadam-G
Wormadam-S
Xatu
Zangoose


*Hax items are not actually banned in standard rules, though they are frowned upon. However, if you do not want your opponent using hax items, just ask for a "Standard (insert tier here), no hax items" and you're set to go!

If I missed anything please let me know!

A couple nitpicks:

1: Acupressure is not actually against the rules of Evasion clause. Other moves that affect accuracy like Mud Slap, Flash, and Muddy Water are also not against the rules, you might want to put a clarification in case somebody asks about those types of moves as well.
2: The no-hax rule is something you don't really need to put up, as the only items that are really frowned upon in a serious manner are things like quick claw which drastically alter gameplay. Items like brightpowder and king's rock are both items whose effects are generally outclassed by existing standard items and so there isn't a real reason to ban them (or discourage their use).

Since when are hax items frowned upon? If you want to give yourself a 12.5% chance to go first then go ahead. I know I dont care.

i dunno, me singling out quick claw was kinda just me recognizing that stuff like quick claw no guard dynamicpunch is kinda gay. LOL

in general though hax items aren't that big of a deal, the only exception to that imo is quick claw.

Do you guys not play on Gfaqs, Smogon, or Marriland?

We play on Shoddy.

Also, banning Brightpowder is the same as banning Leftovers. Leftovers gives Cacturne and Froslass an extra 20% chance of evading an attack while setting up Substitutes. Brightpowder gives you a 10% chance four times.

Little Cup rules?

Gates said:

Little Cup rules?

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Lol I really don't need to post those

Why not? Little Cup isa cool tier.

player-4 said:

Soul-Dew clause:
Soul Dew is banned on Latias. Period.

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This is incorrect. Soul Dew is allowed on Latias in Ubers.

Riddle said:

This is incorrect. Soul Dew is allowed on Latias in Ubers.

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Obviously. I just copied pasta'd this stuff from my battle thread with OU rules, cut me a break sheesh.

Soul Dew Clause means Soul Dew is banned on everything. Not just Latias.

but i like using soul dew tyranitar

kirbyraeg said:

but i like using soul dew tyranitar

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I lol'd.

I really cannot see how Soul Dew should be banned on everyone in OU.

Jirachi uses Trick, loses Soul Dew.

Latias uses Trick later on, gets back soul dew.

><"

Well obviously that shouldn't be legal seeing as "No Soul dew on Latias" should cover that >_>

Besides, if you're bad enough to let that happen then you shouldn't be playing this game.

It's the concept of it, not how viable of a strategy it is.

similar to wynaut's banning.

Froslass and Raikou are outta UU. And so is Umbreon.

Terywj said:

Froslass and Raikou are outta UU. And so is Umbreon.

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If you don't mind telling me their respected tiers I'll put them where they belong

Lass and Raikou are BL, Umbreon is OU.

Gates said:

Little Cup rules?

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Standard Little Cup Rules:

•Only Pokemon hatched from eggs are eligible.
•Eligible Pokemon must be able to evolve, and be the first in an evolution chain.
•All Pokemon used MUST be at Level 5.
•Sleep Clause is ON.
•Self-KO Clause is ON
•Evasion Clause is ON
•OHKO Clause is ON
•Species Clause is ON
•Item Clause is OFF
•The attacks SonicBoom and Dragon Rage are banned
•The itemS DeepSeaTooth AND Berry Juice are banned
•A Pokemon's attacks must be limited those that can be legitimately learnt by the Pokemon at Level 5
•The Pokémon must not be on the Ubers list.

Uber Tier


The following are banned from use in Little Cup

Scyther
Yanma
Sneasel
Meditite
Misdreavus
Murkrow
Tangela

Over Used (OU) Tier


These are very common, but not strong enough to be banned.

Abra
Aipom
Aron
Bagon
Bronzor
Buizel
Carvanha
Chimchar
Chinchou
Croagunk
Diglett
Dratini
Drifloon
Duskull
Elekid
Gastly
Gible
Gligar
Hippopotas
Houndour
Kabuto
Koffing
Machop
Mankey
Mantyke
Meowth
Munchlax
Omanyte
Paras
Phanpy
Porygon
Snover
Staryu
Stunky
Taillow
Totodile
Voltorb
Wynaut


edit: I'm going to change this and make it look pretty, so all you have to do for the first post is copy pasta.
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What the hell did you use to base your NU tier off of? A lot of those pokemon have very niche use, but use nonetheless.

We should develop a LC UU metagame so that we can determine a LC NU.

Oh crap, I just realized I'm using an older tier list.

I shall edit this.

I get my info from:
http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/little_cup_guide
http://s1.zetaboards.com/The_Little_Cup_Forum/topic/538191/1/

edit: Fix'd it, but UU/NU didn't change much..

I honestly think besides the Little Cup Ubers and Little Cup OU everything else should just be Little Cup.

Meowth is too much fun though!

Technican Fake Out + Uturn coming off one of the highest speeds in the metagame <3

NJzFinest said:

Meowth is too much fun though!

Technican Fake Out + Uturn coming off one of the highest speeds in the metagame <3

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That's why I said to keep the Little Cup OU list.

Oh, your post confused me.

I thought you meant the ppl who do LC should get rid of Uber and OU and play with the other tiers.

/imdumb

NJzFinest said:

Oh, your post confused me.

I thought you meant the ppl who do LC should get rid of Uber and OU and play with the other tiers.

/imdumb

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Nahh. I just meant only the Little Cup Ubers and OU list should be mentioned in the OP.

Had to edit again, I had no clue there was a 2010 OU list on smogon.

Ive been trapped in the 2008 metagame...

NJzFinest said:

Had to edit again, I had no clue there was a 2010 OU list on smogon.

Ive been trapped in the 2008 metagame...

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Don't worry. You'll get back into the swing of things soon.

I agree that it would be good to include little cup. Aside from that, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Arceus banned in ubers?

It is, but it's still listed as an Uber.

KrazyGlue said:

I agree that it would be good to include little cup. Aside from that, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Arceus banned in ubers?

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Yeah, like Tery said.

Even though it's really ******** that you have to ban something from ubers >_>


If you guys get little cup straightened out then put it on the first post.

I guess so, but you could also argue that it's stupid that there is even a pokemon so strong that people have had to ask whether it should be banned. :/

Yeah, I'm no expert on little cup, so I guess someone else should take the initiative to straighten that out.

Arceus is only banned in ubers because shoddy cannot impose the ev restriction.

Actually, Acupressure is a legal way to boost evasion. +6 evasion +6 def + 6 spdef + 6 atk shuckle ftw

don't forget +6 SpA, +6 Spd and +6 Acc

Doesn't accupressure fall under the evasion clause?

accupressure is not banned

also, accuracy increasing moves aren't banned

roacherman said:

Doesn't accupressure fall under the evasion clause?

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No, because using Acupressure never guarantees the +2 evasion. Since it's RNG'd it can't legitimately be a violation of the Evasion Clause.

... then again, would assist + Double team be legal? What about Metronome bringing up minimize?