Reioumu
Smash Lord
To start this post off, I would like to say that KevinM gave me permission to repost this 6 months ago. Please leave the spam out, this is also to keep the community informed.
Apex is around the corner, so I think I should bring this up again.
DJ still hasn't payed a cent of what he still owes me from pound 4. I've been talking to him in PM, said he was going to get a census job, didn't happen. He got into training for another job, and he lost it blaming that his manager was an ***. I've seen he's been going to events still just from name searching him in the tournament results forum. Job hunting really hasn't been that hard yet I don't see how you can keep affording to be going to tournaments. I also see your team won around $90 too, congratulations man. The question is... Where are you getting the money to go to an enter this stuff? What about all of your debts with other smashers? From what it seems like, in every one of your PMs I'm just hearing excuses and excuses to stall and not pay your debts off.
As from my previous thread from about 1/2 a year ago, I shall now list the debts you probably still owe everyone.
Me: $210.32 from you and your friends, which you said that you guys only needed credit card on record for the room, but never gave me the money that was charged on my card for said room.
Lovage: "DJ owes my friend in socal (the great leon) like 250 for a plane ticket to pat's house"
HBK: "dj owes me like 200 for a ticket to fast. or i think it was tipped off. "
Skidadle: "He owes my friend 50$ (Lamugi)"
toasty: "For the record, DJ owes me $320.20"
(previous thread I am referencing to: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=262734 )
I don't know how DJ keeps getting out while being jobless and doing all of this stuff. But from what i've gathered, I've counted he owes $1030.52 just from what people posted in the previous thread (which closed pretty quickly)
Alex Strife mentioned that he was going to ban you until you've payed stuff up, but have any of these people gotten a cent back yet? I sure know I haven't gotten anything, while it seems you've lost a job really quickly after having a poor manager.
I am calling him out again, I don't want this happening to someone else at APEX just because DJ is a well-known figure in the smash community. Even if it's a top, or very popular player asking you, never let them bum things like money off of you.
Warrior knight, I know he's your VERY good friend. I know DJ is a cool guy when you're hanging out with him. But when you have to deal with the money issues, oh god... You told me to give him a bit after Pound 4. I believe 6 months is more than a bit.
Apex is around the corner, so I think I should bring this up again.
DJ still hasn't payed a cent of what he still owes me from pound 4. I've been talking to him in PM, said he was going to get a census job, didn't happen. He got into training for another job, and he lost it blaming that his manager was an ***. I've seen he's been going to events still just from name searching him in the tournament results forum. Job hunting really hasn't been that hard yet I don't see how you can keep affording to be going to tournaments. I also see your team won around $90 too, congratulations man. The question is... Where are you getting the money to go to an enter this stuff? What about all of your debts with other smashers? From what it seems like, in every one of your PMs I'm just hearing excuses and excuses to stall and not pay your debts off.
As from my previous thread from about 1/2 a year ago, I shall now list the debts you probably still owe everyone.
Me: $210.32 from you and your friends, which you said that you guys only needed credit card on record for the room, but never gave me the money that was charged on my card for said room.
Lovage: "DJ owes my friend in socal (the great leon) like 250 for a plane ticket to pat's house"
HBK: "dj owes me like 200 for a ticket to fast. or i think it was tipped off. "
Skidadle: "He owes my friend 50$ (Lamugi)"
toasty: "For the record, DJ owes me $320.20"
(previous thread I am referencing to: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=262734 )
I don't know how DJ keeps getting out while being jobless and doing all of this stuff. But from what i've gathered, I've counted he owes $1030.52 just from what people posted in the previous thread (which closed pretty quickly)
Alex Strife mentioned that he was going to ban you until you've payed stuff up, but have any of these people gotten a cent back yet? I sure know I haven't gotten anything, while it seems you've lost a job really quickly after having a poor manager.
I am calling him out again, I don't want this happening to someone else at APEX just because DJ is a well-known figure in the smash community. Even if it's a top, or very popular player asking you, never let them bum things like money off of you.
Warrior knight, I know he's your VERY good friend. I know DJ is a cool guy when you're hanging out with him. But when you have to deal with the money issues, oh god... You told me to give him a bit after Pound 4. I believe 6 months is more than a bit.
I'm not out to trash him...it's about information.
After Tipped Off 5 in September of last year, when I was not paid upon his arrival, as promised, or even during his visit to Georgia, if I made a public thread about that the following would have never happened:
- G$ would not have gotten him a ticket to Florida quite soon after TO5
- The Great Leon would not have gotten him a ticket to Pat's House in..November?
- Rei would not have been inclined to "help him out because they needed a credit card" [iirc] for the hotel at Pound...only to be left hanging...and then make THIS thread...TWICE.
So like it's been said several times, this is MAINLY so no one else has to experience something like this.
People also need to understand that banning someone from an event like Apex isn't as much a punishment as it is a preventative measure. Attending Apex will require money, no matter which way you look at it. This is money he does not have. These unavoidable costs [fees/food/travel costs] will either be fronted by someone else OR they will come from whatever money he MAY have [though by simple virtue of owing others, that money is not "his"].
Basically it's just adding on yet another debt to an already-outrageous tab.
Like I said, everything that happened with PBnJ didn't directly result in everyone being paid back. It didn't necessarily motivate him to right his wrongs, either. Over a period of time, direct and unrelenting communication were major factors in "motivating" him, aside from his own personal struggles with whatever problems/barriers that got him in that position.
I'm pretty sure this situation will have to follow a similar path.